Who do u think will be next US president?

[marxist_god]

Hello folks: i meant: PICK YOUR POISON: RUDY OR HILLARY, not Rudy or Guiliani, haha sorry for mistake

Who do you think will be selected for king of USA in 2008? I believe that Hillary or Guiliani will be selected for king of USA in 2008

marxist_god

[More Fire for the People]

Neither. The Obama campaign is the most radical option: it's a multi-racial campaign, driven mainly by students, to elect a mixed-race formerly coke-addicted president with a Muslim father. It's probably the first, and last time, we'll see a hood brother on TV without fitting some kind of stereotype.

[RebelDog]

It doesn't matter. They daren't touch capital (not that they want to) so it means more of the same shit. Democrats and Republicans are like the Tories and New Labour in that they are just different wings of the same party. There are probably more policy differences within than without. Bourgeois democracy is a spectacle that has developed because the ruling class has had to put up a pathetic cloak of legitimacy. Its a pointless game played by millions and there is always the same winner; the bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie are kings of their realm and these elections do not challenge that in any way, they merely choose their managers.

[Tatarin]

I hope for Kucinich, but since that is never going to happen my bet is on Obama.

[Faux Real]

It will probably be either John Edwards, because the Midwest and southern states (their votes actually decide who wins) are not socially advanced enough to vote for a woman or a black man, or Rudy Giuliani if somehow the whole fucking country forgets the (not-so-important) fact that he's a Republican, his inactivity in the wake of 9-11, his support for the "War on Terror" and his support for the Iraq occupation.

The platform of whoever wins will dissipate and the domestic situation will worsen. Mass protest will become suppressed, the economy collapses, and riot will spread. Martial Law will be declared and several blocs of states will secede from the Union. Civil war rages.

In 2012 a nuclear bomb detonates during the President's unelected inaugural speech in Washington D.C... ah Shattered Union. :rolleyes:

(Hey, this is a prediction thread, right?)

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Well, of course is doesn't much matter, but the democrats are marginally better than the republicans on civil liberties, so I prefer them. Something in me despises Hilary Clinton especially though, and I like the idea of the U.S.A electorate being brave enough to overcome all that latent prejudice of having a black man in office, so I think it'd be pretty kick arse to have Obama.

-Alex

[Ismail]

Obama would probably be best if only because it will help weaken the «black people are dumb» argument used by various white «nationalists». Essentially, Hopscotch Anthill's argument is correct.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Neither Obama nor Clinton are hugely different from each other but the next president will be one of those two. I honestly can't see there being a Republican president.

[blackstone]

Rudy vs Hillary
Rudy will win

Obama vs Rudy
Obama will win

Edwards vs Rudy
Edwards will win


I don't follow the Republican side of things though.

[bootleg42]

I don't know much about those bourgeoisie parties.

It will make no difference who wins so...........

[blackstone]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 09:02 am
I don't know much about those bourgeoisie parties.

It will make no difference who wins so...........
Uhm, yes it will...

[Colonello Buendia]

I suspect ~Hillary will win. she's got alot of sympathy and definetly likely to win thatn Obama, if only someone like Nader was running, and won. civil war would also be good or all the candidates and the parties wil get accidentaly eliminated and then someone good gets put in charge

[lvleph]

Originally posted by blackstone+December 12, 2007 09:13 am--> (blackstone @ December 12, 2007 09:13 am)
[email protected] 12, 2007 09:02 am
I don't know much about those bourgeoisie parties.

It will make no difference who wins so...........
Uhm, yes it will... [/b]
Why would it make a difference. I think it will be more of the same old same old only with a new nuttier shit flavor.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by Hopscotch [email protected] 12, 2007 04:53 am
Neither. The Obama campaign is the most radical option: it's a multi-racial campaign, driven mainly by students, to elect a mixed-race formerly coke-addicted president with a Muslim father. It's probably the first, and last time, we'll see a hood brother on TV without fitting some kind of stereotype.
WHat exactly does his coke addiction have to do with anything?

[Dr Mindbender]

whoever wins - the workers lose.

[marxist_god]

Hey people i would like you to use political-realism. You more than me know that Hillary Clinton or Rudy Guiliani will be our next options for presidents. My political realism and third eye instincts tell me that we will have Hillary or Guiliani for our next president (I back this argument by the latest polls on US presidency for 2008)

marxist_god

[marxist_god]

Originally posted by Dr [email protected] 12, 2007 05:04 pm
I suspect ~Hillary<shemale> will win. she&#39;s got alot of sympathy and definetly likely to win thatn Obama, if only someone like Nader was running, and won. civil war would also be good or all the candidates and the parties wil get accidentaly killed in a nuke explosion hopefully if I get the missile codes

Hey, is Hillary Clinton a shemale really? That means Bill Clinton likes dicks? haha

marxist_god

[LOTFW]

Somewhere, somehow, this thread turned from who one THINKS will be the next U.S. to whom one HOPES will be the next U.S. president.

It is technically possible for Mr. Cheney to be the next U.S. President.

I will interpret the question to mean: "Who do I believe will be elected President of the United States of America in November, 2008, and sworn in January 20, 2009?"

It is foolish not to believe the following statement: "The Forty-Fourth Presidency of the United States is Hillary Clinton&#39;s to lose."

I don&#39;t care about what people keep saying "too many people hate her and that she&#39;s un-electale". Plenty of people said that Reagan was too extreem and unelectable and he won easily in 1980 and killed Mondale in 84.

Personally (you heard it here first), I believe it will be a Clinton-Obama ticket.

The Republican party couldn&#39;t be elected dog catcher in &#39;08.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 11:25 am
Obama would probably be best if only because it will help weaken the «black people are dumb» argument used by various white «nationalists». Essentially, Hopscotch Anthill&#39;s argument is correct.
Obama is the worst. He is young, intelligent and untarnished. The world will love him. He will strengthen the American Empire.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by marxist_god+December 12, 2007 05:54 pm--> (marxist_god @ December 12, 2007 05:54 pm)
Dr [email protected] 12, 2007 05:04 pm
I suspect ~Hillary<shemale> will win. she&#39;s got alot of sympathy and definetly likely to win thatn Obama, if only someone like Nader was running, and won. civil war would also be good or all the candidates and the parties wil get accidentaly killed in a nuke explosion hopefully if I get the missile codes

Hey, is Hillary Clinton a shemale really? That means Bill Clinton likes dicks? haha

marxist_god [/b]
Yah lol, he loves teh dick&#33; Isn&#39;t implicit homophobia funny&#33; Especially if you like a side order of bigotry towards intersex individuals. I can see you&#39;re definitely a committed leftist.

[LOTFW]

Obama is the worst. He is young, intelligent and untarnished. The world will love him. He will strengthen the American Empire.

THANK YOU, Serpent.

and regardless of the "American empire" statement, whether one is a commie or cappie, they, as I, can appreciate such a statement here&#33;&#33;&#33;

Usually, we (or idiots) in the Revolutionary Left, make the blanket statement that a black candidate will never be elected president. Such utter bullshit&#33;

At one time it was argued and discussed as fact that a divorce could not be elected, and Reagan proved that wrong. Same about a Jew, and one received the greatest popular vote for vice president. Same about a woman, and next year will prove that wrong.

OF COURSE, one day an African-American, Asian-American, Latin-American man or woman will be U.S. President&#33; Duh&#33;

Anyway; thanks Serpent for treating him as a general enemy to Socialism, and not as some "unreachable dream" candidate.

[Colonello Buendia]

ok I&#39;m sorry, it was a reference to family guy. anyway I&#39;d like to say I&#39;m not a homophobe and I truly sorry for making that joke, seriously I feel like shit for that, if someone can delete that part of the comment please do :(

[LOTFW]

I suspect ~Hillary<shemale> will win. she&#39;s got alot of sympathy and definetly likely to win thatn Obama, if only someone like Nader was running, and won. civil war would also be good or all the candidates and the parties wil get accidentaly killed in a nuke explosion hopefully if I get the missile codes

Great&#33; A 15 year old kid magically gets the football, kills millions of our fellow people, regardless of their political views or who they are, and somehow that benefits world socialism.

Why is Hillary a "shemale"? Don&#39;t you get blasted off the board for making the sexist comment that because Hillary acts a certain way she is acting like a "male"?

Sorry Dr. Klick, I posted my comment re: shemale while you were making your appology.

[Colonello Buendia]

like I said I deserve
that

[Colonello Buendia]

so it&#39;s clear, I&#39;m completely disgusted with myself for coming up with that. anyway, I hope you guys can forgive me

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by Dr [email protected] 12, 2007 07:21 pm
if someone can delete that part of the comment please do
You can edit your own post. Just click on "edit" above your post.

[Colonello Buendia]

I just fund that out but thanks

[LOTFW]

Hey, Dr. Klick,

It&#39;s alright if that&#39;s what you meant. Actually, not seeing the Family Guy episode of which you wrote, I took you at good faith, as there are people here who DO believe that blasting nukes everywhere, or creating a civil war will put an end to capitalsim.

So I got no problem with your comment, as a joke or otherwise, Jeez&#33;

But remember, Klick:

The last time we (the United States) had a civil war, it resulted in our becoming the greatest economic power in the world, a strong national identity (rather than a state identity), corporate power becoming the norm, and an entrenched military throughout the nation.

[Colonello Buendia]

Ok right and good point about the civil war. I&#39;m against nuclear weapons btw, just thought I&#39;d clarify

[Ultra-Violence]

Its goana be hillary the fucking media already chose her as the democratic canidate And those who said that tiers no diff between hillary and obama your wrong i think *obama genuinly well pull the troops out hillary wont and thier Def. of "Free Health care" is way diff. Do i think either of them will end the war Obama maybe, Hillary NO&#33; and the republicans are in know way goana win and i think people are starting to see that that Dems. arnt that diff


To those who said stuff about minoritys becoming president here MO

To me being a person of color i could care less if theres a black-mestizo-asain president for the simple fact that i have little in common with them other than being a person of color and the fact that thier just goana bend over backwards to the fucking corprate lords.

and i agree with Hopscotch statement completly thats the only reason ill see a person of color as president so white people can tell us to STFU look so and so was president your all just lazy why cant you be more like him etc.....

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+December 12, 2007 06:43 pm--> (Jazzratt @ December 12, 2007 06:43 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 05:54 pm

Dr [email protected] 12, 2007 05:04 pm
I suspect ~Hillary<shemale> will win. she&#39;s got alot of sympathy and definetly likely to win thatn Obama, if only someone like Nader was running, and won. civil war would also be good or all the candidates and the parties wil get accidentaly killed in a nuke explosion hopefully if I get the missile codes

Hey, is Hillary Clinton a shemale really? That means Bill Clinton likes dicks? haha

marxist_god
Yah lol, he loves teh dick&#33; Isn&#39;t implicit homophobia funny&#33; Especially if you like a side order of bigotry towards intersex individuals. I can see you&#39;re definitely a committed leftist. [/b]
George W. Bush likes dicks that is why he is pretty much letting his vice president run the country.

[bootleg42]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 07:14 pm
OF COURSE, one day an African-American, Asian-American, Latin-American man or woman will be U.S. President&#33; Duh&#33;


Correction:

one day any BOURGEOISIE african american, asian, latino mand or woman can be U.S. president.

[LOTFW]

one day any BOURGEOISIE african american, asian, latino mand or woman can be U.S. president.

This is hardly a correction. To be U.S. President requiers you preserve, protect, and defend the Consitution of the United States. Obviously this nearly prevents a revolutionary from becoming president. Also, our amendment procedure makes it impossible for what&#39;s happened to the Venezuelan constitution to happen in the USA.

Even those presidents who came from very humble beginnings, such as Lincoln or A. Johnson, Truman, or L.B. Johnson, by the time they&#39;er president, they themselves, are members of the ruling class.

[Lenin II]

It will probably be either John Edwards, because the Midwest and southern states (their votes actually decide who wins) are not socially advanced enough to vote for a woman or a black man, or Rudy Giuliani if somehow the whole fucking country forgets the (not-so-important) fact that he&#39;s a Republican, his inactivity in the wake of 9-11, his support for the "War on Terror" and his support for the Iraq occupation.

Don’t forget his support of torture in American prisons and waterboarding. Plus the fact that he&#39;s a complete racist fucktard who encouraged racial profiling in New York and told people on 9/11, "Thank god George Bush is our president."


In 2012 a nuclear bomb detonates during the President&#39;s unelected inaugural speech in Washington D.C... ah Shattered Union.

I pray to the Marxist gods this happens. Of course, I also hope it&#39;s a special type of bomb that only kills the president and his die-hard bourgeoisie supporters.


Something in me despises Hilary Clinton especially though

Possibly the fact that she’s about three degrees away from George Bush, she supports nuclear attacks on other countries, her husband bombed a hospital in Sudan for hell of it and they both support torture.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Originally posted by Ultra&#045;[email protected] 12, 2007 08:21 pm
Its goana be hillary the fucking media already chose her as the democratic canidate And those who said that tiers no diff between hillary and obama your wrong i think *obama genuinly well pull the troops out hillary wont and thier Def. of "Free Health care" is way diff. Do i think either of them will end the war Obama maybe, Hillary NO&#33; and the republicans are in know way goana win and i think people are starting to see that that Dems. arnt that diff


To those who said stuff about minoritys becoming president here MO

To me being a person of color i could care less if theres a black-mestizo-asain president for the simple fact that i have little in common with them other than being a person of color and the fact that thier just goana bend over backwards to the fucking corprate lords.

and i agree with Hopscotch statement completly thats the only reason ill see a person of color as president so white people can tell us to STFU look so and so was president your all just lazy why cant you be more like him etc.....
What would be nice is a first (or atleast second) generation chicano president who has the balls to start a hardcore crackdown on the minutemen project. But I know with these gringos in my country spewing out all that anti-mexican propaganda its not likely to happen for a while.

[LOTFW]

In 2012 a nuclear bomb detonates during the President&#39;s unelected inaugural speech in Washington D.C... ah Shattered Union.

Yeah, Rev0lt, this is a prediction board, but preditions should be made while not on crack.

#1 - The inauguration to preserve the Forty-Fourth President, or usher in the new Forty-Fifth President, will be in 2013, not 2012.

#2 - If in 2012, the president is the re-elected president of the election of 2008, there will be no chaos, as succession will be based on the current administration.

#3 - Should in 2012, the president elected in 2008 NOT be reelected, and it&#39;s a new person is being sworn in, and that person dies before reciting (not their inauguration speech, but) their oath of office, this will test the untested Section 3 of the 20th Amendment, which provides for such a circumstance.

[Faux Real]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 01:38 pm
Yeah, Rev0lt, this is a prediction board, but preditions should be made while not on crack.
Oh shut the fuck up dude.

I could care less about the whole representative process.

[LOTFW]

QUOTE (LOTFW @ December 12, 2007 01:38 pm)
Yeah, Rev0lt, this is a prediction board, but preditions should be made while not on crack.


Oh shut the fuck up dude.

I could care less about the whole representative process.


Thank you for your well thought out argument.

[Faux Real]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 02:00 pm
Thank you for your well thought out argument.
If you didn&#39;t notice, the scenario I "predicted" is part of Shattered Union&#39;s (noticed the italics?) storyline. Yes, a video game. Were you expecting it to be realistic?

Okay, I got the inauguration year wrong, burn me at the sake.

Fuck off you irritating pervert.

[PigmerikanMao]

Originally posted by lvleph+December 12, 2007 05:15 pm--> (lvleph @ December 12, 2007 05:15 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 09:13 am

[email protected] 12, 2007 09:02 am
I don&#39;t know much about those bourgeoisie parties.

It will make no difference who wins so...........
Uhm, yes it will...
Why would it make a difference. I think it will be more of the same old same old only with a new nuttier shit flavor. [/b]
Difference between Gore and Bush- a big ass war. There&#39;s a lot at stake in any election, so at least vote for the least bourgeois.
Voting in a capitalist election is like taking drugs. If you have the option between pot and heroine, take the pot- at least the effects won&#39;t be as bad

[LOTFW]

rev0lt,

One of my problems is that i do believe everyone is writing about what&#39;s really on their minds. It did seem as though you supported such an event occurring. Was only joking about your being on crack. Maybe we both need to have a bit of humor about all of it. I don&#39;t know of the video game of which you speak. Just wanted you to know that if the president elect died before the oath of office, the U.S. would not be left without executive authority. Pretty shabby video game in that regard.

To make it easy for you, so you don&#39;t think I&#39;m personalizing anything, I won&#39;t cite you by name any longer.

[Faux Real]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 02:10 pm
Just wanted you to know that if the president elect died before the oath of office, the U.S. would not be left without executive authority. Pretty shabby video game in that regard.

To make it easy for you, so you don&#39;t think I&#39;m personalizing anything, I won&#39;t cite you by name any longer.
:rolleyes: <-This smiley usually lets people know they&#39;re posting sarcastically.

I didn&#39;t appreciate the crack statement. The video game really isn&#39;t important, but I was hoping people would at least recognize its title. Do go on and cite me if you wish, I don&#39;t have a problem with it. I take that kind of baiting the wrong way. (bad habit myself)

Anyways, thanks for clearing that up.

[Cryotank Screams]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 12:44 am
Who do you think will be selected for king of USA in 2008?
Republican: Huckabee-McCain.
Democrat: Clinton-Obama.

[Tatarin]

Rupert Murder-och will become the new president.

[Dimentio]

Every American president needs a war to show that he or she has balls, and to go down in the history books.

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by Ultra&#045;[email protected] 12, 2007 08:21 pm
Its goana be hillary the fucking media already chose her as the democratic canidate And those who said that tiers no diff between hillary and obama your wrong i think *obama genuinly well pull the troops out hillary wont and thier Def. of "Free Health care" is way diff. Do i think either of them will end the war Obama maybe, Hillary NO&#33;
The funny thing about the "free health care" claim is that Hillary isn&#39;t even promising universal health care. Instead of letting the state pay for the welfare of its citizens, she wants to amend the laws so that it&#39;s ILLEGAL not to have health insurance, the same way it&#39;s technically illegal for a person to drive a car without car insurance. All she&#39;s doing is promising to make the worker&#39;s lives more miserable.

And Obama and Hillary, like all democrazts, just want to "gradually draw down" the war. You won&#39;t see any decisive action, believe you me.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by Hopscotch [email protected] 11, 2007 11:53 pm
Neither. The Obama campaign is the most radical option: it&#39;s a multi-racial campaign, driven mainly by students, to elect a mixed-race formerly coke-addicted president with a Muslim father. It&#39;s probably the first, and last time, we&#39;ll see a hood brother on TV without fitting some kind of stereotype.
what the fuck are you on about?? :blink:

[Colonello Buendia]

I wonder how much effect Ron Paul is gonna have in the primaries? if he gets anywhere close to the presidential elections all the red states are gonna vote for him. christ, me thinks he&#39;ll re introduce slavery....

[Ultra-Violence]

The funny thing about the "free health care" claim is that Hillary isn&#39;t even promising universal health care. Instead of letting the state pay for the welfare of its citizens, she wants to amend the laws so that it&#39;s ILLEGAL not to have health insurance, the same way it&#39;s technically illegal for a person to drive a car without car insurance. All she&#39;s doing is promising to make the worker&#39;s lives more miserable.

And Obama and Hillary, like all democrazts, just want to "gradually draw down" the war. You won&#39;t see any decisive action, believe you me.


well i know thier health care plan is shit its not even free fucking health care. But thiers a diff none the less. As for the war I THINK if elected obama will at least bring a good chunk of the troops home as for Hilary She definately wont do jack shit but make things worse. and The Repub. Well i think we can all agree on that and thats goana be a big no no :angry:

[Angry Young Man]

Originally posted by blackstone+December 12, 2007 02:13 pm--> (blackstone @ December 12, 2007 02:13 pm)
[email protected] 12, 2007 09:02 am
I don&#39;t know much about those bourgeoisie parties.

It will make no difference who wins so...........
Uhm, yes it will... [/b]
No it won&#39;t

Still at least the Republicans are honest: they don&#39;t deny being murderous, grubbing oligarchic tyrants.

I know Michael Moore is loathed of this board, but he did point out in Sicko that Hilary Clinton has the commitment to reform that Hitler had commitment to racial equality.

[Colonello Buendia]

why exactly is Moore Hated on revleft?

n00b question I know but I never noticed :wacko: :blink:

[Raúl Duke]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 05:11 am
It will probably be either John Edwards, because the Midwest and southern states (their votes actually decide who wins) are not socially advanced enough to vote for a woman or a black man, or Rudy Giuliani if somehow the whole fucking country forgets the (not-so-important) fact that he&#39;s a Republican, his inactivity in the wake of 9-11, his support for the "War on Terror" and his support for the Iraq occupation.

The platform of whoever wins will dissipate and the domestic situation will worsen. Mass protest will become suppressed, the economy collapses, and riot will spread. Martial Law will be declared and several blocs of states will secede from the Union. Civil war rages.

In 2012 a nuclear bomb detonates during the President&#39;s unelected inaugural speech in Washington D.C... ah Shattered Union. :rolleyes:

(Hey, this is a prediction thread, right?)
While I didn&#39;t go to such lengths per se (although it has popped into my mind) I actually think that, most likely, no matter who gets elected things will go even deeper "to shit" (well its a little more complicated than that...What I meant is that its possible to see the democrats "pull an LBJ" and do the opposite, that is continue the occupation, in respects to the Middle Eastern wars. The reaction to this {hopefully something similar to the late 60s;the same reaction to LBJ&#39;s troop surge} might be beneficial to the Left. Also the economy seems to be going down, although I heard that the prediction is just a "small recession.")

[Ol' Dirty]

I&#39;d be surprised if Hillary won. She&#39;s definatly an experienced candidate, but it&#39;s hard for a woman with political convictions to win an election. If she were a guy with the same political convictions, she&#39;d probably be way ahead in the DP polls. I don&#39;t really like her politics anyway, but it&#39;s nice that people are actually considering a female president. The idea of the most powerfull person in the world being a female is pretty big. If she were more fiscaly and socialy proggressive, and if I were old enough to vote and registered, she&#39;d definately get my vote.

I don&#39;t even know if Obama has a good chance of winning. He&#39;s mixed, so he&#39;s already got a mark against him. We&#39;re both mixed, so I have something in common with him, but he&#39;s still a liberal, so I don&#39;t really agree with him on much more than social stances.

For the republicans, Juliani is really the only one I can see that is doing really well. I don&#39;t really pay that much attention to the republicans because my area&#39;s overwhelmingly liberal. If women can get an abortion, people start to defend Brown V. Board of ed and someone&#39;s pushing really hard for equal marriage rights, I&#39;ll survive.