Fred Thompson wants to kill Fidel Castro

[marxist_god]

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Fred Thompson (this father figure guy, so christian and so good) wants to assasinate Castro if elected for president

[bootleg42]

So does Hillary Clinton, Barrak Obama, Rudy Guliani.....bottom line all those capitalist fucks want to kill Castro. The thing is.....they can't ever do it, lol.

[Red October]

They all hate Castro, that's not new. America has a strange vendetta against Cuba, but we still trade with other states we've had bitter feuds with like China and Vietnam. Logically, even from their perspective, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep Cuba under embargo.

[Lenin II]

They will never kill Fidel Castro. They've tried about 633 times and have no succeeded. And even if they do before he dies of natural causes, they will only make a martyr out of him for the entire world to see, just like the CIA did to Che.

[marxist_god]

Originally posted by Lenin [email protected] 11, 2007 09:46 pm
They will never kill Fidel Castro. They've tried about 633 times and have no succeeded. And even if they do before he dies of natural causes, they will only make a martyr out of him for the entire world to see, just like the CIA did to Che.

Lenin: And I'd go further. Not only neocons hate Fidel Castro and Chavez. But also 30% to 40% of the US population which are part of the middle-elite and upper classes identify, support and love this system of plundering and exploitation. It is fair to state that about 40% of americans hate Castro and Chavez. Remember that fascism is a mental-virus (idea) spread not only in US government and ruling people, but also in the US general population as well

marxist_god

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 11, 2007 11:48 am
They all hate Castro, that's not new. America has a strange vendetta against Cuba, but we still trade with other states we've had bitter feuds with like China and Vietnam. Logically, even from their perspective, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep Cuba under embargo.
The Cuba embargo is a way for the U.S. to exclude Cuba; though I would argue that lifting the embargo would be of benefit (they could exploit the working-class in Cuba through ownership of the means of production they could establish/control).

However, the U.S. is also an imperial force; i.e. its interests are not simply capitalist but imperial, so excluding them from the economy is a means for the U.S. to attempt to crush revolutionary movement and discourage it.

It is also a means for the U.S. to strengthen its imperial force- and to prevent the development/strengthening of other imperial powers. They would ultimately benefit from lifting the embargo in the capitalist sense but not in the regard of the U.S. being an imperial force and competing with other imperial/monopolist forces to sustain/increase their own imperial presence.

Taking notice to the measures taken by the U.S. to secure its imperial presence around the world, it would make sense this is intention with the Cuba embargo.

[Dimentio]

The presidential candidates (especially the republicans) look like extremist maniacs during the election times because they must appear as strongmen towards certain interest groups, like for example the Cuban expats in Miami.

[Lynx]

It might just be the expats in Miami and whereabouts. They have political influence and a one-track mind.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 05:01 pm
The presidential candidates (especially the republicans) look like extremist maniacs during the election times because they must appear as strongmen towards certain interest groups, like for example the Cuban expats in Miami.
Quite true, the right wing Cuban exile community has a hell of a lot of cash and political influence in Florida.

[Raúl Duke]

I have a feeling its all for show (after all politicians do that all the time in my experience)...they just had a debate here in Florida and they're just looking to please the Cubans who seems to always vote Republican.

Although its weird that I heard that they decided not to discuss immigration in the debate here in Florida.

The Miami Cubans are quite different from the Puerto Ricans when it comes to immigration issue...the Cubans get a green card yet like to vote for politicians that hate immigrants/put up anti-immigrant policies yet in PR people can have US citizenship yet they seem strongly pro-immigration.


Fred Thompson (this father figure guy, so christian and so good) wants to assasinate Castro if elected for president

Supposedly the CIA can't assassinate yet you can always send in CIA-backed Cuban expat terrorists (i..e Posada, etc) to do the job and kill some civilians along the way. :rolleyes: (Not much of a difference, so when Congress told the CIA to stop assassinating it didn't mean a thing since they have been using mostly paid contracted terrorists to do the job.)

[VukBZ2005]

But also 30% to 40% of the US population which are part of the middle-elite and upper classes identify, support and love this system of plundering and exploitation.

If, by "middle class", you mean the Small Capitalists, they most definitely do not make up over 30% to 40% percent of the population of the United States; they make up over 10% to 15%. The reason being is that class is based on three things; one's position to property, one's position to the production of Capital and one's relationship to the means of production. It is not based on income.

By using the criteria that I have established, it should become obvious that 30%-40% of the entire population of the United States do not own small businesses, do not trade stocks for a living, or do not do something that produces Capital on a fixed property that is under their control on a daily basis, but at a limited scale.

If, by "middle class", you are just using a term that has meant those that belong to the vast majority of "American" society, then, there is no such class that exists upon those terms; it is more a less a state of mind that has been created by "American" Capitalism to contain working class struggle with the use of physical variables.

[marxist_god]

Originally posted by Comrade Nadezhda+December 11, 2007 09:58 pm--> (Comrade Nadezhda @ December 11, 2007 09:58 pm)
Red [email protected] 11, 2007 11:48 am
They all hate Castro, that's not new. America has a strange vendetta against Cuba, but we still trade with other states we've had bitter feuds with like China and Vietnam. Logically, even from their perspective, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep Cuba under embargo.
The Cuba embargo is a way for the U.S. to exclude Cuba; though I would argue that lifting the embargo would be of benefit (they could exploit the working-class in Cuba through ownership of the means of production they could establish/control).

However, the U.S. is also an imperial force; i.e. its interests are not simply capitalist but imperial, so excluding them from the economy is a means for the U.S. to attempt to crush revolutionary movement and discourage it.

It is also a means for the U.S. to strengthen its imperial force- and to prevent the development/strengthening of other imperial powers. They would ultimately benefit from lifting the embargo in the capitalist sense but not in the regard of the U.S. being an imperial force and competing with other imperial/monopolist forces to sustain/increase their own imperial presence.

Taking notice to the measures taken by the U.S. to secure its imperial presence around the world, it would make sense this is intention with the Cuba embargo. [/b]

To steal a bank requires knowledge, to steal, i mean to be a professional-thief requires a lot of book-reading and knowledge. And to steal the world like USA is doing, requires a whole philosophical school of thought and ideology, based on Leo Strauss, Jose De Maestrie, Thomas Hobbes, Bacon and others. The USA was founded, and it's based on this ideology, it is a whole machinery of ideology, pre-determined, pre-programed to steal the world.

And like i said, the reason of why a large part of US general population (Not just US gov.) hates leftism and socialism in general it is because leftism and socialism is a threat to USA's goal of stealing the world

Th

marxist_god

[Jazzratt]

There really is no need to assassinate him, waiting is enough. He's on his last legs (as uncomfortable as this fact is to some).

[Reuben]

Originally posted by marxist_god+December 11, 2007 09:55 pm--> (marxist_god @ December 11, 2007 09:55 pm)
Lenin [email protected] 11, 2007 09:46 pm
They will never kill Fidel Castro. They've tried about 633 times and have no succeeded. And even if they do before he dies of natural causes, they will only make a martyr out of him for the entire world to see, just like the CIA did to Che.

Lenin: And I'd go further. Not only neocons hate Fidel Castro and Chavez. But also 30% to 40% of the US population which are part of the middle-elite and upper classes identify, support and love this system of plundering and exploitation. It is fair to state that about 40% of americans hate Castro and Chavez. Remember that fascism is a mental-virus (idea) spread not only in US government and ruling people, but also in the US general population as well

marxist_god [/b]
But we are not tlaking about fascism here. We are tlaking about the violence that has always been necessitated by the miantainence of the liberal capitalist order - or to quote neo-con Thomas L. Friedman, the iron fist which must back up the invisibkle hand of the market

[Cheung Mo]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 11, 2007 05:48 pm
They all hate Castro, that's not new. America has a strange vendetta against Cuba, but we still trade with other states we've had bitter feuds with like China and Vietnam. Logically, even from their perspective, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep Cuba under embargo.
Or maybe it's because in spite of the population difference, there are more socialists in Cuba than in China and Vietnam combined. :lol:

[Lenin II]

There really is no need to assassinate him, waiting is enough. He's on his last legs (as uncomfortable as this fact is to some).

You’re missing the point. Killing him is highly symbolic. If they let him die of old age, they will view it as him “winning” by dying in peace and in power. Castro represents socialist revolution in the Western hemisphere, and the forces of imperialism killing him would be in effect killing the revolution. It would be their way of saying that, in the end, imperialism will win against the insolent little commies. Stupid as they are, they think they can stop the revolution by killing one man. Castro has won no matter what they do.


They all hate Castro, that's not new. America has a strange vendetta against Cuba, but we still trade with other states we've had bitter feuds with like China and Vietnam. Logically, even from their perspective, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep Cuba under embargo.

There are publicly available, declassified documents that explicitly state that the real reason for the Cuban embargo is to exterminate any chance of a succsessful socialist society being formed in the West and threatening American supremacy.

[synthesis]

After the 40's ended, I think Communism was more useful to the government as an imaginary enemy to "unite the nation" and marginalize critics of all types. Islam and terrorism have thoroughly replaced communism and drugs as the "enemy du jour."

Fred Thompson's vow is clearly an attempt to garner support from Miami Cubans, as others have stated.

Here's Fred Thompson waxing rhetorical about "strong leadership" to the leader of the Bay of Pigs revolt on the campaign trail in Miami:

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[Red Rebel]

Fred Thompson wants to kill Fidel Castro

And every President since Eisenhower (Carter as an exception maybe?) has tried to.

[SouthernBelle82]

:rolleyes: And here I thought they were "compassionate." *shrug*

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 12:16 am
:rolleyes: And here I thought they were "compassionate." *shrug*
No bourgeois politician is such.