The Exploited

[Osama McDonald]

Yeah.....I'm sure this has been discussed before...but lets try it again. I know there has been rumors or whatever about Wattie and The Exploited being Nazi's or what not....but I've never seen any real truth to it. Did any of you know Wattie was friends with Ice-T and he even did a cover of one of their songs. This doesn't necessarily prove anything all the way but it;s one more thing to consider compred with other supposed information others have given out.I've even read some stuff posted on here and I still haven't seen any real truth to it......and it would seem many of the comments made in some way were hypocritcal.

Why does it seem that Eminem is some how respectable.......when he repeatedly uses he word fag. How is this okay to many of you? I'm guessing youthink because he said he's not really homophobic you believe him. Heh. Why does anyone respect him or his music anyway? Isn't it mostly stupid suburban white kids who listens to his annoying borefest about him always wanting to kill his ex....or whatever she iis to him these days. Eminem is a little pussy who admits he would never use the word nigger in a song...but yet he'll say fag. Why can't he say it and not be racist just like he claims not to hate gays when he says fag. What a pussy. He's either too scared what people will say within rap or he's afraid he'll lose money. Douche bag

How about RATM...who I like a lot.....but if you look at almost any song you can see the lets blame whitey song underneath it all. How about the lyrics ain't no rich WHITE life we bound respect .That's not rascist? Come on. I guess it's that duble standard whee you aren't able to call out someone who isnot white for being racist.

Lets just say hypothetically The Exploited are Nazi idiots......how can you explain not treating some of these others similarly? I guess it's a matter of pick and choose who you want your villians to be. I suppose it s especially true when The Exploited have always been this underground band who you don't exactly hear or see stuff about all the time and some of these others are on MTV and radio and are considered famous.
Just something to think about.

[jaffe]

The Exploited have always been this underground band

naaahhh ;)

[RebelDog]

I've been an Exploited fan since the eighties and it came as a surprise to me to hear people saying that they were nazis. I've never seen any evidence that the band or any individual members are nazis and when you look back at the songs they have done you would say they were anti-capitalist left-wingers. 'The Massacre' is one of the best albums I have ever heard and it positively rages against the system, it would disappoint me if they are really nazis.

[Invader Zim]

[img]http://www.libreopinion.com/members/decibelios/TheExploited-Haggis_Noruega.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' class='attach' />

And discussed here (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=45793&hl=the+exploited)

[Osama McDonald]

I've read that before...and that was some of what I referred to when I stated that I read some stuff even on here.

I'm not sure what this picture is suppose to prove......other than maybe some of the idiots that worked as road members for the band were either fooling around acting stupid or are that THEY MIGHT be nazis.

As far as Jello's comments on Watties thugs attacking him....it doesn't mean Wattie put them up to it. Even if they did that migh make him an idiot......not a monster.
The song Fuck the USA has nothing to do with Jello....and the fact he might have mentioned him on a live album along with the song I Hate you just means he didn't like Jello.......calling him preachy at one point. He also said he fucked Jello's wife before the song I Hate You. Later on(recently) he was asked why he hated Jello....he mentioned he couldn't remember...Jello also said he didn;t know why Wattie hated him......and this was also recent.

As far as Henry Rollins being spit on by nazis at an Exploited/Black Flag show....It happened, so what? Nazis were also at regular Black Flag shows. They also use to take the Clash's White Riot song as their own at one point, too. There was a big nazi element that came to punk shows....and not just so called racist punks shows. At the time there was not really any racist hard rock......and the closest thing to anti government music was punk....so they shoed up for that kind of music even though the bands weren't either racist or obviously racist.

AS far as those interviews....I'd love to hear them myself....and the manner of which he said these things.....if he did.

I know at one point he and the band jokingly wore swastikas to piss people off and just be angry goofy punks that many punks were. Sid vicious and the Sex Pistols never really seemed to get called nazis for wearing swastikas in their past. At the time I'm sure people wondered...but it's been a long time since anyone even thought about it....probably because they became a rather notorious band because they were outrageous that people got to see them more often.

I also noticed there was some censoring of people who took up the Exploited in that discussion. Probably because they got nasty...but maybe not.

Finally...I found it funny no one wants to address the hypocrisy of the two bands/people I mentioned and how no one seems to make them out to be monsters. Like I said it's pick and choose who you like and want to keep as thje good guy and who you don't.

[jaffe]

so... their latest albums suck anyway :P

[Autonome-Antifa]

Also the singer of the exploited did a speach on the funereal of Ian Stuart.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Autonome-[email protected] 11, 2007 07:39 pm
Also the singer of the exploited did a speach on the funereal of Ian Stuart.
link please? ;)

[Niall]

ive been a fan of the exploited for a while and havent heard this before

[lvleph]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+December 11, 2007 02:46 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ December 11, 2007 02:46 pm)
Autonome-[email protected] 11, 2007 07:39 pm
Also the singer of the exploited did a speach on the funereal of Ian Stuart.
link please? ;) [/b]
This talks about it a bit at the very end. But it is in Russian. (http://onlymetal.ru/band1637.html)

At least, that is what I think it is saying at the very bottom.

[Ultra-Violence]

wow im REALLY Surprised i never thought as the explioted like that I use to like them lots in my younger days now not so much eh no-ones perfect but if he is a nazi why the punk rock? if he was here in l.a nd they new he was a nazi he would be dead or at least another riot like the one at the birtish invasion im really dissapointed but eh FUCK' EM

[Cencus]

Wattie's done so much speed over the years he's probably got to the stage that he aint got a clue what he says much of the time. According to a friend of mine who knows him quite well he once buried his fridge in his back garden :D He never was an intellectual heavyweight add in years of drink and drug abuse and you got a recipe for someone who really shouldn't be allowed a platform to shout from.

As to the OPs idea that eminen is respectable, where have you read that, he's a whiney little twat with slick media management.

RATM are allegedley against capitalism (if they truely are then why the fuck were they signed to sony) and it just so happens that by accident of history that most of the world's rich are white and male, if you wanna go into this start a new thread in the more heavyweight sections of this forum and you'll get your answers there.

[AntifaHooligan]

I think they are national anarchists.

[Palmares]

Fuck this is boring. Who cares? Wattie is a fucking racist anyway. Look at his comments on "pakis". It;s in one of those old threads on this same boring issue somewhere.

And please, I dont think the comparison's you made are very valid.

I think maybe you should spend some more time in the discrimination forum before making some ignorant comment about the "double standards" in relation to which race says what and who is racist or not according to that race.

Really, is a few black people here and there saying "cracker" really comparable to the historical social oppression of various white men calling black people "niggers"?

[Labor Shall Rule]

Man, I was just listening to Sex and Violence while I was reading this thread. This is very disappointing. :(

[Poum_1936]

When I saw the Exploited perform live Wattie had long bright pink dreads. Not particulary the standard for Nazi wear unless Wattie is introducing some flare into Nazism. He also came out on stage and sang "Decontrol" with Discharge.

I really dont think hes a Nazi. Im totally going with the drugs. He also might be an idiot rascist against "pakis", but yeah. Just an idiot. Not really a Nazi per say.

[Cencus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 01:23 am
I really dont think hes a Nazi. Im totally going with the drugs. He also might be an idiot rascist against "pakis", but yeah. Just an idiot. Not really a Nazi per say.
You hit the nail on the head, he's just an average working class bloke who 's in a band, likes his pharmies and carries many of the prejudices common in the working class. Not hero material but not a flag waving nazi

[seraphim]

Thought they did title a song 'hitlers in the charts again'!

[Cencus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27, 2007 11:50 am
Thought they did title a song 'hitlers in the charts again'!
They did, they also did I believe in anarchy, Troops of Tomorow, and a few other half decent tracks. Don't make em saints, Watties just yer average geezer, grew up on council estate[afaik] joined the army, left, got into punk, made a fair bit of dosh, inserted it into his left nostril.

[Poum_1936]

Troops of Tomorrow was orginally a Vibrators song.

[Poum_1936]

Really, is a few black people here and there saying "cracker" really comparable to the historical social oppression of various white men calling black people "niggers"?

Really?

Not quite sure how to approach this, I am alittle buzzed and annoyed. I am white and was the minority throughout my entire school career.

I know alot of the "Cracka" comments turned alot of people into supremecists. Some of them being what I thought were good friends. Hell, I went to a "elementary/middle" school reunion tonight. One asshole was flaunting a beanie with "NATIONAL SOCAILISM" written along the side.

I know a few of my friends are just reacting to the same rascism they are reciving. They arent the brightest folk, but its all they know. Im not saying its okay. But I am saying its not okay to defend one form of rascism because their ancestors got the shit can and they are still recieving bullshit today. That sucks. And the frustration is there. And the frustration to inantly blurt out stupid rascist shit back to the white people is there. But whats that gonna do? Just create a whole new generation of gun-toting white supremecist fucks. I literally see this happen on a daily basis, well not so much anymore. Im losing alot of friends because of this. And not just white, mind you.

I live in Reseda, in the San Fernando Valley of LA. Its developing more and more into a warzone.

Totally off topic, I appoligize. I just got all bothered by the comment when I read it.

[Comeback Kid]

Exploited are shit anyways. Listened to that shit in year 8.

[INDK]

The Exploited... wait, that's fucking music they're doing?