CrimethInc Launches New Book

[Everyday Anarchy]

They called us bourgeois for urging people to abandon bourgeois culture.
They called us anti-worker for refusing complicity in exploitation.
They dismissed our advocacy of plagiarism as unoriginal.
They mocked us for producing paper bullets,
Then cried foul play when those projectiles hit their targets.
When we subsisted on crusts of bread, they insisted it was the upper crusts;
When we discovered cornucopias of abundance, they preferred their sour grapes.
We’ve been branded militants and dilettantes, black bloc and bête noire, primus inter pariahs.

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Read and Reading Tremble (http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2007/12/08/read-and-reading-tremble/)

[Bilan]

Nice opening.
As much as I dislike crimethinc, that was a clever blurb.

[which doctor]

Looks interesting. With Crimethinc, things tend to be hit or miss.

[black magick hustla]

Fuck crimethinc, they are nothing more than postmodern anarcho-hippies. They are not different, they are not exciting--they are as boring as everyone else. They all look the same, act the same, and made anarchism nothing more than a fashion statment.

Were are the anarchists that used to dress like freaking durruti and malatesta.

[Bilan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 05:07 pm


Were are the anarchists that used to dress like freaking durruti and malatesta.
Anarchist aesthetic?

[manic expression]

Ugh. Yawn. Whatever.

Crawling through a dumpster does absolutely nothing to threaten capitalism. Crimethinc is probably the most worthless "ideology" ever created since the Slavophiles.

[Bilan]

Originally posted by manic [email protected] 10, 2007 06:40 am
Ugh. Yawn. Whatever.

Crawling through a dumpster does absolutely nothing to threaten capitalism. Crimethinc is probably the most worthless "ideology" ever created since the Slavophiles.
Does something become of value the moment it threatens capitalism?
Is food, therefor, valueless because it doesn't threaten capitalism? how about singing? how about stories? How about love?
If an action makes life worth living; life enjoyable, then that action has value.

I don't like alot of crimethinc politics, either, but I enjoy their stories (Well, some of them). It's not counterrevolutionary to smile!

[which doctor]

Originally posted by manic [email protected] 09, 2007 03:40 pm
Ugh. Yawn. Whatever.

Crawling through a dumpster does absolutely nothing to threaten capitalism. Crimethinc is probably the most worthless "ideology" ever created since the Slavophiles.
Your knowledge of Crimethinc is incredibly naïve. Have you actually read any Crimethinc works or are you just spewing the same shit other people say about Crimethinc?

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by FoB+December 09, 2007 08:58 pm--> (FoB @ December 09, 2007 08:58 pm)
manic [email protected] 09, 2007 03:40 pm
Ugh. Yawn. Whatever.

Crawling through a dumpster does absolutely nothing to threaten capitalism. Crimethinc is probably the most worthless "ideology" ever created since the Slavophiles.
Your knowledge of Crimethinc is incredibly naïve. Have you actually read any Crimethinc works or are you just spewing the same shit other people say about Crimethinc? [/b]
i read days of war nights of love, and I will tell you this:

what manic expression said is really pretty accurate. they want to divorce from "capital" by abstaining on buying shit etc. they are boring as hell, and they coopt situationist politics into some sort of anarcho-hippyism (they wont say they are hippies, but what is "revolutionary" to them is to call late to work and fuck everything that moves in the graveyard).

the destruction of capital requires some discipline and organization.

[bcbm]

An army of straw men has descended on this thread, it would appear.

[black magick hustla]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YYym554_Vmg

this is the boring hippie shit I am talking about.

ugh

[black magick hustla]

throbbing dick is going to abolish capital!

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Proper Tea is [email protected] 09, 2007 08:53 pm
Does something become of value the moment it threatens capitalism?
Is food, therefor, valueless because it doesn't threaten capitalism? how about singing? how about stories? How about love?
If an action makes life worth living; life enjoyable, then that action has value.

I don't like alot of crimethinc politics, either, but I enjoy their stories (Well, some of them). It's not counterrevolutionary to smile!
If you want to make an impact in this world, making radios out of bikes doesn't do anything. Crimethinc's "program" has absolutely no potential to change society; it only has the potential to convince the gullible to live like vagabonds.

Food and singing, unfortunately, are not valuable when it comes to ending capitalism. Sure, it's fun, but that's about it. Anyone who thinks themselves revolutionary after eating a free hamburger and humming "I Feel Pretty" is insane.


Your knowledge of Crimethinc is incredibly naïve. Have you actually read any Crimethinc works or are you just spewing the same shit other people say about Crimethinc?

Yes, I have read Crimethinc's literature, and I'm sorry for it. The mini-movie (if you can call it that), "Why I Love to Steal from Major Corporations", demonstrates what I've been saying. Oh, wow, let's shoplift from K-Mart, this is so liberating!

Does anyone REALLY think society will be changed by people who mold their politics around a pursuit of food and singing? Don't be bashful, let's see a show of hands.

[Bilan]

If you want to make an impact in this world, making radios out of bikes doesn't do anything. Crimethinc's "program" has absolutely no potential to change society; it only has the potential to convince the gullible to live like vagabonds.

I completley agree.


Food and singing, unfortunately, are not valuable when it comes to ending capitalism. Sure, it's fun, but that's about it. Anyone who thinks themselves revolutionary after eating a free hamburger and humming "I Feel Pretty" is insane.

That's not what I was getting at. The crux of my point was that value isn't deetermined by whether or not the *thing* or the *action* has the ability abolish capitalism, but that the value of something is determined by its impact on your life, and on it's ability to reach it's certain ends.

Crimethinc has shitty ass politics, which do nothing to contribute to the revolutionary over throw of capitalism, and to effectively organize against it, or spread ideas, etc (or at least, accurate ones).
However, I was merely saying that some of their ideas are good in certain aspects because they're fun, and they make life enjoyable, and to some extent, spontanous, and ever changing.
That has purpose. That has value. that's all I'm saying.

I think Days of War was a heap of dog shit, with plenty of distortions of history and so forth, and An anarchist cookbook was slightly comical - but it had some stuff of value. S'all I'm saying.

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by manic [email protected] 09, 2007 11:16 pm


Food and singing, unfortunately, are not valuable when it comes to ending capitalism. Sure, it's fun, but that's about it. Anyone who thinks themselves revolutionary after eating a free hamburger and humming "I Feel Pretty" is insane.


Yes comrade, but be careful on falling to the trap of the sad ascetic "revolutionary". We are fighting for a world of dreams and pleasuires, not just for some abstract "labor utopia". Singing may not abolish this terrible society, but it is the ability to sing and dance, that impulses the revolutionary to build precisly that world were we can "sing and dance" freely.

I incredibly dislike Crimethinc because it seems to me that they want to claim that they are living their "lives" better by boycotting organization and commodities. The thing about them, its that their strategies are also a failure of the will and imagination, precisely because they try so hard to fit into their preconceived role of the "boheniam" revolutionary--i.e. Rimbaud for example. They try so hard to pretend all of them are little "rimbauds". The thing is, that people like Rimbaud didnt care about buying second hand clothes, eating from dumpsters, or boycotting commodities--the things he did came out of him naturally, without making an effort to fall into certain roles.

They will never admit it--but crimethinc is pretty much part of the same "spectacle" they wish to abolish.

[Bilan]

Marmot is spot on.

[Everyday Anarchy]

It's not about convincing people that shoplifting will overthrow capitalism, nor about dumpster diving to abolish the state. It's about showing people who shoplift already, or already dumpster dive, the revolutionary potential that their action entails.

Not once has CrimethInc stated that by eating out of the garbage or by making love, we're going to overthrow capitalism. It's all about breaking routines and putting people beyond their comfort zones. Getting people to think for themselves.


I think most leftists hate CrimethInc because it's so damn catchy. Because it's actually RELEVANT to its readers' lives. It sure as hell beats trying to shove Marx and Lenin down common people's throats.

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Proper Tea is [email protected] 09, 2007 11:44 pm
However, I was merely saying that some of their ideas are good in certain aspects because they're fun, and they make life enjoyable, and to some extent, spontanous, and ever changing.
That has purpose. That has value. that's all I'm saying.
OK, we mostly agree with one another. I said that those things can be fun, it wasn't my intention to convince you that free food sucks. The point that we seem to agree on is that Crimethinc gets us nowhere when it comes to significant change.

I mean, if I want to laugh I'll watch videos of Jim Gaffigan, Richard Pryor or Bruce Bruce on youtube. If you like Crimethinc stuff instead, then that's your thing. No big deal.

Marmot

Yes comrade, but be careful on falling to the trap of the sad ascetic "revolutionary". We are fighting for a world of dreams and pleasuires, not just for some abstract "labor utopia". Singing may not abolish this terrible society, but it is the ability to sing and dance, that impulses the revolutionary to build precisly that world were we can "sing and dance" freely.

Of course, I agree for the most part. However, I would argue that it is not the impulse of song and dance that brings about change. Song and dance allows us to enjoy our lives, it brings happiness. Does this bring one to a revolutionary perspective? If you ask me, it is one motivation of many, many others.


They will never admit it--but crimethinc is pretty much part of the same "spectacle" they wish to abolish.

Exactly what I was trying to say in 8 paragraphs.

Everyday Anarchy on edit


It's not about convincing people that shoplifting will overthrow capitalism, nor about dumpster diving to abolish the state. It's about showing people who shoplift already, or already dumpster dive, the revolutionary potential that their action entails.

That's precisely the problem. Shoplifting is what adolescent girls do. It's not revolutionary at all. As a matter of fact, it's basically a form of self-aggrandizement.

Let me say this as clearly as I can: if you think that shoplifting and dumpster diving has any degree of "revolutionary potential", you are beyond incorrect.


Not once has CrimethInc stated that by eating out of the garbage or by making love, we're going to overthrow capitalism. It's all about breaking routines and putting people beyond their comfort zones. Getting people to think for themselves.

So if I turn around in a crowded elevator and start looking everyone in the eye and thus "moving out of my comfort zone", I am revolutionary? If I cut in line and thus "break routine", I am revolutionary? Get real, that is just Dadaist garbage; it's about as revolutionary as Catharism.


I think most leftists hate CrimethInc because it's so damn catchy. Because it's actually RELEVANT to its readers' lives. It sure as hell beats trying to shove Marx and Lenin down common people's throats.

I hate crimethinc because it's so damn stupid. The same delusion that brings people to glorify living off of trash brings them to think it's actually relevant. Sorry to break this to you, but crimethinc has nothing to do with the vast majority of people's lives: being in the working class means having to deal with reality and not fantasies of "liberation" through shoplifting.

Marxism isn't about shoving Marxism down anyone's throat, it's simply about bringing to the fore the common interests of the workers and their allies; it's about class conflict and the abolition of capital and the bourgeoisie.

Crimethinc and its "ideology" will rightly end up precisely where it seeks its own "liberation": the dumpster.

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by Everyday [email protected] 10, 2007 12:30 am
It's not about convincing people that shoplifting will overthrow capitalism, nor about dumpster diving to abolish the state. It's about showing people who shoplift already, or already dumpster dive, the revolutionary potential that their action entails.

Not once has CrimethInc stated that by eating out of the garbage or by making love, we're going to overthrow capitalism. It's all about breaking routines and putting people beyond their comfort zones. Getting people to think for themselves.


I think most leftists hate CrimethInc because it's so damn catchy. Because it's actually RELEVANT to its readers' lives. It sure as hell beats trying to shove Marx and Lenin down common people's throats.
Actually, crimethinc argues that by boycotting capitalism--i.e. not going to work, not buying commodities, capital will be abolished. They hate organization and discipline, and this is clear in their writings.

its all fine and dandy--until the state comes with its organized police to fuck them up. That is why they are nothing more than hippies, they don't understand there is an organized force ready to smack them down.

They do not "think for themnselves", they fall into the boring category of "artsy hipsters". Believe me, all of them are the fucking same, all of them use the same fucking arguments to justify their banal and empty lives.

They do make some valid points, like "your politics are boring as fuck" etc. However, you don't think we try to break what we believe down when we talk with our coworkers, friends, etc. Do you think we speak about the n"proletariat" and the "bourgeosie" with normal people?

If crimethinc is so relevant and "catchy, why aren't most people "crimethincers" then?

They are not a novelty, they are "boring as fuck". I would rather read Lautremont and Vaneigem than their shitty politics.

[Everyday Anarchy]

Crimethinc does not claim that by not working, capitalism will fall. But rather, the actions you undertake with your new found free-time can be bring about revolutionary change.

When people can stop thinking of things as purely business relations, they will be open to a whole new world of revolutionary ideas and exciting times. Crimethinc merely illustrates how you can break routine and begin to question the world we live in today. Read the "No Gods & No Masters" article for example. It's all about questioning moral law.

[Bilan]

I think the quote 'if you're homeless and not having fun, you're not doing it right' sums up their politics.

[Everyday Anarchy]

Originally posted by Proper Tea is [email protected] 09, 2007 06:49 pm
I think the quote 'if you're homeless and not having fun, you're not doing it right' sums up their politics.
And like all ideas and thoughts, they have their flaws. I personally don't like that quote. Homelessness is probably more fun when you've chosen to take that route (which I can agree with, to be honest).

[black magick hustla]

homelessness is horrible

fuck crimethinc

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Everyday [email protected] 10, 2007 12:44 am
Crimethinc does not claim that by not working, capitalism will fall. But rather, the actions you undertake with your new found free-time can be bring about revolutionary change.

When people can stop thinking of things as purely business relations, they will be open to a whole new world of revolutionary ideas and exciting times. Crimethinc merely illustrates how you can break routine and begin to question the world we live in today. Read the "No Gods & No Masters" article for example. It's all about questioning moral law.
We'd love to hear what to do in our "free time". Shoplift some more? Sing? Dance? Put up a sticker that is supposed to intimidate cops?

Face it: crimethinc has no answer, for it is nothing more than Dadaist hogwash.

Wow, what a "whole new world of revolutionary ideas and exciting times"! Rummaging through trash! Stealing underwear from the mall! Being weird! Get my bike, honey, I'm going to make a revolution by making it into a radio! :lol:


Homelessness is probably more fun when you've chosen to take that route (which I can agree with, to be honest).

This, really, can sum up the incredible delusion that is crimethinc.

[black magick hustla]

also that shit about "get free dropout" fucking stupid. there is nothing "free" about working in a shitty service sector job to mantain youtself. fine if you dont have money, oir are not willing to spend on a technical degree in a community college, but saying working in the "service sector" for the rest of your life is free is spitting on the péople who did that because they didn't have a choice in the first place.

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by manic [email protected] 10, 2007 01:00 am


Face it: crimethinc has no answer, for it is nothing more than Dadaist hogwash.


lol dadaism was infinitely better. dadaism was actually cool.

shocking bourgeois moralists with some crazy degenerate stunt is always priceless.

[Red October]

I used to like Crimethinc, I even ordered a bunch of their shit to distribute...I have half a crate of Fighting For Our Lives at the bottom of my closet. Their guide to graffiti is pretty good though, as those sorts of things go. And I like some of their stickers too. But politically, they're fucking horrible and annoying.

[which doctor]

Besides some their overly simplistic politics, my main criticism of Crimethinc is their reluctance to have free online versions of their books. It goes totally against what they believe in. Some of their stuff is available online, but much of it isn't.

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 02:48 am
Besides some their overly simplistic politics, my main criticism of Crimethinc is their reluctance to have free online versions of their books. It goes totally against what they believe in. Some of their stuff is available online, but much of it isn't.
yeah this.

[Everyday Anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 08:48 pm
Besides some their overly simplistic politics, my main criticism of Crimethinc is their reluctance to have free online versions of their books. It goes totally against what they believe in. Some of their stuff is available online, but much of it isn't.
DIzzIE just recently argued about this on the Crimethinc site http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2007/11/07/...e-for-new-book/ (http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2007/11/07/proofs-arrive-for-new-book/).

[Bilan]

Originally posted by Everyday Anarchy+December 10, 2007 01:48 pm--> (Everyday Anarchy @ December 10, 2007 01:48 pm)
[email protected] 09, 2007 08:48 pm
Besides some their overly simplistic politics, my main criticism of Crimethinc is their reluctance to have free online versions of their books. It goes totally against what they believe in. Some of their stuff is available online, but much of it isn't.
DIzzIE just recently argued about this on the Crimethinc site http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2007/11/07/...e-for-new-book/ (http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2007/11/07/proofs-arrive-for-new-book/). [/b]
I suppose that's the direct democracy that Crimethinc boasts right there?
People don't like it, thus, they are wrong.

:unsure:

[Everyday Anarchy]

"People who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring explicitly to everyday life, without understanding what is subversive about love and what is positive in the refusal of constraints, such people have a corpse in their mouth."
Raoul Vaneigem


Crimethinc no doubt pulls from ideas like this. I guess Vaneigem was delusional for thinking that love and refusing everyday constraints (what I meant by "breaking routine") were subversive forces.



So if I turn around in a crowded elevator and start looking everyone in the eye and thus "moving out of my comfort zone", I am revolutionary?Starting conversations with those strangers in the elevator and thus breaking down social barricades is a lot more revolutionary than selling x party's newspapers.

[Red_Hooligan]

Hey folks, just wanted to put in my 0.02 on this---

I've always thoroughly enjoyed the Crimethinc Collective's books and literature, from a purely entertainment point of view. Not that I don't take them "seriously"--I'm sure they're very much in favor of some kind of leftist revolution, but their primitivist ideas turn me off.

I think they had extraordinary writing talent working for them, though. If I have some spare cash laying around after Xmas shopping, I may order a copy of this new book.

[Red_Hooligan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 02:48 am
Besides some their overly simplistic politics, my main criticism of Crimethinc is their reluctance to have free online versions of their books. It goes totally against what they believe in. Some of their stuff is available online, but much of it isn't.
A lot of it can be found online, actually. Most of what I've read was in PDF form that I printed out from a school library computer for free :)

And what they do charge, is VERY inexpensive. And they always throw in free goodies with your order: stickers, newspapers, posters, pamphlets, etc etc. It's always good stuff, and their material can be fun to read.

I prefer having a hard copy of their stuff anyway, to be honest with you. Somehow it seems to legitimize their existance, as opposed to being what you describe (an e-zine, basically).

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by Everyday [email protected] 10, 2007 04:49 am
"People who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring explicitly to everyday life, without understanding what is subversive about love and what is positive in the refusal of constraints, such people have a corpse in their mouth."
Raoul Vaneigem



in the contrary, it is worthless hippies like the ones in crimethinc who distort what vaneigem and his comrades had to say.


Vaneigem was a communist militant. Albeit, some of his politics were crappy, he was a marxist at heart. Refusal of constraints is not "dumpsterdiving" or "hippie-love" bullshit, but organizing, creating alternatives, etc.

The situationists werent dumbass, homeelss vegans, nor did they dressed like idiots.

[Bilan]

"People who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring explicitly to everyday life, without understanding what is subversive about love and what is positive in the refusal of constraints, such people have a corpse in their mouth."
Raoul Vaneigem

I know this as well as you do. Look in my signature.


Crimethinc no doubt pulls from ideas like this. I guess Vaneigem was delusional for thinking that love and refusing everyday constraints (what I meant by "breaking routine") were subversive forces.


No, he wasn't. He was absolutely right. But thinking that that type of thing is going to truly subvert capitalism, and bring about it's destruction is absolutley incorrect.

It is true that, a revolutionary is guided by love, and not hate, but a revolutionary is not guided by love alone.


Starting conversations with those strangers in the elevator and thus breaking down social barricades is a lot more revolutionary than selling x party's newspapers.

Not necessarily.It has the potential to be.

[black magick hustla]

fuck i used to like indie kids and hipsters until i came here.


ugh

[black magick hustla]

lol the whole poiint of that crimethinc idiot about not putting his book online is that "internet is bad, printed book is good". fuck those pieces of shit

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Everyday [email protected] 10, 2007 04:49 am
"People who talk about revolution and class struggle without referring explicitly to everyday life, without understanding what is subversive about love and what is positive in the refusal of constraints, such people have a corpse in their mouth."
Raoul Vaneigem


Crimethinc no doubt pulls from ideas like this. I guess Vaneigem was delusional for thinking that love and refusing everyday constraints (what I meant by "breaking routine") were subversive forces.



So if I turn around in a crowded elevator and start looking everyone in the eye and thus "moving out of my comfort zone", I am revolutionary?Starting conversations with those strangers in the elevator and thus breaking down social barricades is a lot more revolutionary than selling x party's newspapers.
Wrong. Propagating socialist ideas is actually constructive. "Breaking routines" just makes you a wierd person. Last I checked, the neighborhood drunk isn't a revolutionary, in spite of the routines he breaks.

Starting conversations with strangers is revolutionary? :lol: Drop your self-aggrandizing nonsense.

[Everyday Anarchy]

I don't think the situation is exactly as black and white as we've all painted it to be. Why does Crimethinc have to be in direct opposition to all others? Much of the left's texts completely leave out things such as love and excitement and focus entirely on class struggle. Crimethinc may at times leave out things such as class struggle and focus entirely on love and excitement.

A healthy dose of Crimethinc along with other writers and theories, to me, is an important part of a nutritious (and revolutionary) diet.

[Bilan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 03:19 pm
fuck i used to like indie kids and hipsters until i came here.


ugh
Your previous post was better. :P

fuck i used to like indie kids

:(

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by Everyday [email protected] 10, 2007 05:25 am
I don't think the situation is exactly as black and white as we've all painted it to be. Why does Crimethinc have to be in direct opposition to all others? Much of the left's texts completely leave out things such as love and excitement and focus entirely on class struggle. Crimethinc may at times leave out things such as class struggle and focus entirely on love and excitement.

A healthy dose of Crimethinc along with other writers and theories, to me, is an important part of a nutritious (and revolutionary) diet.
the thing about crimethinc is that they feel pompous enough to reject the effort of comrades trying to organize, and you know, do the "boring" work that entails when trying to build something. they also look down upon everyone that isnt a vegan or doesnt hates technology as they do.

the worst thing is that they are not as exciting as they claim to be. they can be read like a fucking open book every time you see one of them.

it is true a lot of the left is "boring", and we have to change that. we have to point out that we are looking for a world of dreams and pleasures, however, it is also true that crimethinc rather than criticizing constructively, they ghetoize themselves and without realizing, they create another silly mass marketed subculture.

[Everyday Anarchy]

From Crimethinc.com
Our essential project is to nurture anti-authoritarian consciousness and desires outside the traditional sites of workplace organizing and identity politics. This does not mean we consider those sites unimportant, or that we wish for everyone to prioritize the sites we have chosen based on our own specific circumstances and means. We’re not convinced we have the most or only effective approach; on the contrary, we are grateful others are undertaking other experiments in other settings—it frees us to focus on the ones we’ve chosen.Emphasis Added.

I think that piece from a blog post on Crimethinc.com a little bit ago might help. And please don't mistake me for someone who believes that Crimethinc is true and righteous in every way, I just really think that they've got something good going for them. The way they reach out to individuals and show them how their lives are relevant to the revolution, I find, very effective. Hell, Crimethinc made me an anarchist. I won't be ashamed to say that.

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by Everyday [email protected] 10, 2007 05:43 am
From Crimethinc.com
Our essential project is to nurture anti-authoritarian consciousness and desires outside the traditional sites of workplace organizing and identity politics. This does not mean we consider those sites unimportant, or that we wish for everyone to prioritize the sites we have chosen based on our own specific circumstances and means. We’re not convinced we have the most or only effective approach; on the contrary, we are grateful others are undertaking other experiments in other settings—it frees us to focus on the ones we’ve chosen.Emphasis Added.

I think that piece from a blog post on Crimethinc.com a little bit ago might help. And please don't mistake me for someone who believes that Crimethinc is true and righteous in every way, I just really think that they've got something good going for them. The way they reach out to individuals and show them how their lives are relevant to the revolution, I find, very effective. Hell, Crimethinc made me an anarchist. I won't be ashamed to say that.
yeah and then they write some bullshit about "my politics" being boring as fuck and how they are already beyond the "left" AKA post-left

being an "anarchist" is not important--being an anarchist with a class stuggle attitude is.

[KC]

Much of the left's texts completely leave out things such as love and excitement and focus entirely on class struggle.

That is because much of the left is smart enough not to focus on such arbitrary individualist nonsense.


Crimethinc may at times leave out things such as class struggle and focus entirely on love and excitement.

The proletarian struggle isn't about "love and excitement". If you're looking for love and excitement I suggest you look elsewhere (http://www.match.com/).


The way they reach out to individuals and show them how their lives are relevant to the revolution

Individuals aren't alone relevant to the revolution; real change only comes through mass action, which Crimethinc foolishly rejects. Crimethinc is nothing more than a petty-bourgeois methodology of attaining "love and excitement" through "subversion". If you become a "leftist" because of that then you have absolutely no conception of the class struggle or what it entails and are here just to further your own hedonistic desires.

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by Zampanò@December 10, 2007 07:38 am

That is because much of the left is smart enough not to focus on such arbitrary individualist nonsense.

[
Actually, marx did focus also on individual alienation, and how terrible it was work, etc.

The situationists expanded that notion, lamentably, Crimethinc focuses only on that thing.

I don't think realizing that there is a better world beyond this is "individualist petty bourgeois nonsense" etc. people who embrace class struggle for the sake of some "historical mission" are odd

[KC]

Actually, marx did focus also on individual alienation, and how terrible it was work, etc.

That's not individualism. There is a difference, as you showed in your next statement:


The situationists expanded that notion, lamentably, Crimethinc focuses only on that thing.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Everyday Anarchy+December 09, 2007 10:48 pm--> (Everyday Anarchy @ December 09, 2007 10:48 pm)
[email protected] 09, 2007 08:48 pm
Besides some their overly simplistic politics, my main criticism of Crimethinc is their reluctance to have free online versions of their books. It goes totally against what they believe in. Some of their stuff is available online, but much of it isn't.
DIzzIE just recently argued about this on the Crimethinc site http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2007/11/07/...e-for-new-book/ (http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2007/11/07/proofs-arrive-for-new-book/). [/b]
It's interesting to note that one Crimethinc'r in that discussion argues how easy it is to make money by working in order to afford the book. Am I the only one who finds this laughable. Isn't Crimethinc notoriously anti-work? Yet this particular Crimethinc'r is suggesting people do work, if only to buy one of their books.