Handgun ownership

[Dimentio]

I have a hard time understanding why the left is pro-gun control?

I mean, if the government have a higher level of control over the right to own and wear personal fire-arms, it could disarm all of the people which will make a transition to worker-control a harder issue.

[spartan]

Exactly!

Plus i think everyone has the right to self defence against criminals.

And for all those who think that everyone owning guns is bad i suggest that you take a look at Switzerland where everyone is required to own a firearm by the government and is the country that has one of the lowest crime rates in the world (Probably because criminals know that they will likely face a victim who is armed with a weapon :D ).

[Dimentio]

Of course, one could stress the point of right-wing militias, but the revolution is not going to become a minority issue.

[Psy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 11:52 am
I have a hard time understanding why the left is pro-gun control?

I mean, if the government have a higher level of control over the right to own and wear personal fire-arms, it could disarm all of the people which will make a transition to worker-control a harder issue.
Support of gun control on the left usually comes from the pacifists.

[The Douche]

This is more of a liberal thing than a "left" thing. No revolutionaries advocate gun control. None, if you're a pacifist you're not revolutionary.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected]ember 06, 2007 09:50 am
Of course, one could stress the point of right-wing militias, but the revolution is not going to become a minority issue.
Sadly the main opponents of gun control here in America are right wing organizations like the NRA and militias. Because they are reformists, liberals try to use the existing state to solve society's problems, which leads them to advocate governmental restrictions on guns. The right wing gun owners have a pretty reactionary response tot he left on this issue because they think leftists are going to take their guns.

[Guerrilla22]

I'm not pro-gun control, I realize that crime associated with guns is usually the result of social inequality, although I can see why certain minority groups living in the US would be pro-gun control as they have to live with large amounts of gun crime.

[Ultra-Violence]

Its not the Radical left tho its those DaRN HIPPY"S! *rosie o donnel



I dont get liberlas thier Fucking retarted IMO They talk about Civil rights OMG and then they wanna give up thier right to Bear arms? :wacko:

[Red_Hooligan]

Originally posted by Ultra-[email protected] 06, 2007 04:54 pm
Its not the Radical left tho its those DaRN HIPPY"S! *rosie o donnel



I dont get liberlas thier Fucking retarted IMO They talk about Civil rights OMG and then they wanna give up thier right to Bear arms? :wacko:
Wow, you type like I vomit.

[Vanguard1917]

Yes, this is more of a bourgeois liberal-left thing. Liberals support gun-controls because they fear the prospect of an armed people. They also love state control over each and every aspect of people's lives.


Sadly the main opponents of gun control here in America are right wing organizations like the NRA and militias.

This seems to be the case. I agree that it's very unfortunate.

[Ultra-Violence]

Wow, you type like I vomit.

oh im so srry i typed liek thats i prmise il never do it agians k master.

FUCK YOU! this thread is about hand gun ownership not about my fucking typing.
stay on topic or dont post at all. you sack of shit :angry:




Sadly the main opponents of gun control here in America are right wing organizations like the NRA and militias.

But how can we change that? Even when i tell some of my anarchist hippy freinds that i support the right to bear arms they look at me like im crazy and i tell them WTF! IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE! what you wanna fight with sticks and shit? i dont get the logic

[w0lf]

I am anti-guns in general. They're too many nut jobs who own hunting rifles then go to a public place then kill a couple people.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 03:55 pm
I am anti-guns in general. They're too many nut jobs who own hunting rifles then go to a public place then kill a couple people.
Yeah, you're totally right! And I'm fucking sick of all these people get stabbed with knives, I don't like those either! I also don't like rope because sometimes people get strangled with it. And pillows smother people, those are bad too!

Guns are great and multi-purpose. You can get food, defend yourself, and go to the range and have fun with them. And how do you expect a revolution to succeed without proper armament?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 08:55 pm
I am anti-guns in general. They're too many nut jobs who own hunting rifles then go to a public place then kill a couple people.
Yeah because in places with gun control laws no ever gets killed by anyone ever. Also the moon is made of cheese, the earth is 6000 years old and you have a functioning brain.

[w0lf]

Originally posted by Red October+December 06, 2007 10:08 pm--> (Red October @ December 06, 2007 10:08 pm)
[email protected] 06, 2007 03:55 pm
I am anti-guns in general. They're too many nut jobs who own hunting rifles then go to a public place then kill a couple people.
Yeah, you're totally right! And I'm fucking sick of all these people get stabbed with knives, I don't like those either! I also don't like rope because sometimes people get strangled with it. And pillows smother people, those are bad too!

Guns are great and multi-purpose. You can get food, defend yourself, and go to the range and have fun with them. And how do you expect a revolution to succeed without proper armament? [/b]
There won't be a revolution! I'm just saying I'm anti-guns. Am I a pussy for saying that? That's like saying if your against war your a pussy. Now I know we live in the real world. But why do you the people need guns to defend themselves? What happened to police?

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 05:52 pm
But why do you the people need guns to defend themselves? What happened to police?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tell that to Huey Newton.

Do you believe in revolution at all?

[w0lf]

Originally posted by Red October+December 06, 2007 10:57 pm--> (Red October @ December 06, 2007 10:57 pm)
[email protected] 06, 2007 05:52 pm
But why do you the people need guns to defend themselves? What happened to police?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tell that to Huey Newton.

Do you believe in revolution at all? [/b]
Yeah your right man.

[Vendetta]

Originally posted by The_Decemberist+December 06, 2007 10:52 pm--> (The_Decemberist @ December 06, 2007 10:52 pm)
Originally posted by Red [email protected] 06, 2007 10:08 pm

[email protected] 06, 2007 03:55 pm
I am anti-guns in general. They're too many nut jobs who own hunting rifles then go to a public place then kill a couple people.
Yeah, you're totally right! And I'm fucking sick of all these people get stabbed with knives, I don't like those either! I also don't like rope because sometimes people get strangled with it. And pillows smother people, those are bad too!

Guns are great and multi-purpose. You can get food, defend yourself, and go to the range and have fun with them. And how do you expect a revolution to succeed without proper armament?
There won't be a revolution! I'm just saying I'm anti-guns. Am I a pussy for saying that? That's like saying if your against war your a pussy. Now I know we live in the real world. But why do you the people need guns to defend themselves? What happened to police? [/b]
Serious question?

[Red October]

Originally posted by RSOA+December 06, 2007 06:00 pm--> (RSOA @ December 06, 2007 06:00 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 10:52 pm

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 06, 2007 10:08 pm

[email protected] 06, 2007 03:55 pm
I am anti-guns in general. They're too many nut jobs who own hunting rifles then go to a public place then kill a couple people.
Yeah, you're totally right! And I'm fucking sick of all these people get stabbed with knives, I don't like those either! I also don't like rope because sometimes people get strangled with it. And pillows smother people, those are bad too!

Guns are great and multi-purpose. You can get food, defend yourself, and go to the range and have fun with them. And how do you expect a revolution to succeed without proper armament?
There won't be a revolution! I'm just saying I'm anti-guns. Am I a pussy for saying that? That's like saying if your against war your a pussy. Now I know we live in the real world. But why do you the people need guns to defend themselves? What happened to police?
Serious question? [/b]
I certainly hope not.

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 11:52 am
I have a hard time understanding why the left is pro-gun control?

I mean, if the government have a higher level of control over the right to own and wear personal fire-arms, it could disarm all of the people which will make a transition to worker-control a harder issue.
first off, I think the "left" is pretty divided on this subject, and depending on how you define the term, I think most of the left are against gun control.

another is that the issue of gun control within the parameters of american history is more problematic.

[Dros]

There won't be a revolution!

Ummm... What are you doing here?


But why do you the people need guns to defend themselves? What happened to police?

:o :o :o
Are you fucking serious?

Great. Let's be reliant on a bunch of bourgois controlled pig fascists for our safety. Bravo...

[Red_Hooligan]

Most liberal arguments against gun-control seem to be just to spite the right-wing folks. This is always against a political backdrop, so it's not entirely rational.

When speaking about gun-control, I'll admit I'm not 100% sold on the issue. Only a moron would want to make gun-ownership illegal, so I won't even touch that.

However, what's the difference between a guy owning one handgun, and owning a small arsenal? You don't become "more dangerous" every time you purchase a new gun.

There IS a lot of responsibility for gun-owners to have, though. I may be supportive of some kind of gun-regulatory laws. How about making it a requirement, that to own firearms you need to attend a one or two-day firearm training & maintenance class?

Gun-control can mean a lot of different things.

[Ander]

Originally posted by Ultra-Violence+--> (Ultra-Violence)FUCK YOU! this thread is about hand gun ownership not about my fucking typing.
stay on topic or dont post at all. you sack of shit[/b]
Um, yeah, you need to calm down.


drosera99
Are you fucking serious?

Great. Let's be reliant on a bunch of bourgois controlled pig fascists for our safety. Bravo...
To you and everyone else ragging on the Decembrist:

How about you try explaining instead of insulting? Many well known posters here came to these boards as pacifists and now wholeheartedly believe in the idea of revolution. Myself included.

As to the OP, this is a question you should ask anyone who advocates gun control: if they government can have guns, why can't we?

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 10:46 pm
There IS a lot of responsibility for gun-owners to have, though. I may be supportive of some kind of gun-regulatory laws. How about making it a requirement, that to own firearms you need to attend a one or two-day firearm training & maintenance class?

Gun-control can mean a lot of different things.
This is just common sense. If you own something like a gun, you should know exactly what you're dealing with, how to use it, and how to be safe with it. Drivers need to know how to drive in order to responsibly use a car, it only makes sense to make sure gun owners know how to be responsible with their guns. Gun accidents kill and injure a lot of people in incidents that are totally avoidable if you know what you're doing. And of course, we can't have people running around in the woods shooting their friends which they mistake for quail :P

[Red_Hooligan]

Originally posted by Red October+December 07, 2007 04:09 am--> (Red October @ December 07, 2007 04:09 am)
[email protected] 06, 2007 10:46 pm
There IS a lot of responsibility for gun-owners to have, though. I may be supportive of some kind of gun-regulatory laws. How about making it a requirement, that to own firearms you need to attend a one or two-day firearm training & maintenance class?

Gun-control can mean a lot of different things.
This is just common sense. If you own something like a gun, you should know exactly what you're dealing with, how to use it, and how to be safe with it. Drivers need to know how to drive in order to responsibly use a car, it only makes sense to make sure gun owners know how to be responsible with their guns. Gun accidents kill and injure a lot of people in incidents that are totally avoidable if you know what you're doing. And of course, we can't have people running around in the woods shooting their friends which they mistake for quail :P [/b]
I was thinking the exact-same thing about car ownership. People have to demonstrate SOME ability to drive a car safely, before being allowed to go out on the roads. Too many morons buy guns on a whim, for "self-defense" or just to feel like a bad ass.

Worse still are street-bought guns...these guys are fucking high on crack when they're popping off rounds, without any firearm training.

Or, let me put it this way...if you&#39;re going to off the guy that was getting his dick sucked by your wife, go buy a gun and train yourself to hit a target. At least minimize the chance of myself, or any of my friends or loved ones getting caught in the cross-fire. <_<

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by The_Decemberist+December 06, 2007 05:52 pm--> (The_Decemberist @ December 06, 2007 05:52 pm)
Originally posted by Red [email protected] 06, 2007 10:08 pm

[email protected] 06, 2007 03:55 pm
I am anti-guns in general. They&#39;re too many nut jobs who own hunting rifles then go to a public place then kill a couple people.
Yeah, you&#39;re totally right&#33; And I&#39;m fucking sick of all these people get stabbed with knives, I don&#39;t like those either&#33; I also don&#39;t like rope because sometimes people get strangled with it. And pillows smother people, those are bad too&#33;

Guns are great and multi-purpose. You can get food, defend yourself, and go to the range and have fun with them. And how do you expect a revolution to succeed without proper armament?
There won&#39;t be a revolution&#33; I&#39;m just saying I&#39;m anti-guns. Am I a pussy for saying that? That&#39;s like saying if your against war your a pussy. Now I know we live in the real world. But why do you the people need guns to defend themselves? What happened to police? [/b]
You do know that the proclamation you have as your member title is a motto of the armed EZLN?

[piet11111]

perhaps after the revolution the use of handguns should be restricted because those are easily concealed.

but rifle&#39;s and other stuff that cant be concealed would be totally ok with me.

[Ultra-Violence]

perhaps after the revolution the use of handguns should be restricted because those are easily concealed.

but rifle&#39;s and other stuff that cant be concealed would be totally ok with me.

i dunno i would still be skeptical about that

why not have hand guns but have them in a holster were its visible?




and to jello

i get pissed off when people talk shit about my typing all the darn time fucking im trying to imrove and still people ***** and complain&#33; :angry: just so you know why i get pissed

[Psy]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 07, 2007 04:09 am
This is just common sense. If you own something like a gun, you should know exactly what you&#39;re dealing with, how to use it, and how to be safe with it. Drivers need to know how to drive in order to responsibly use a car, it only makes sense to make sure gun owners know how to be responsible with their guns. Gun accidents kill and injure a lot of people in incidents that are totally avoidable if you know what you&#39;re doing. And of course, we can&#39;t have people running around in the woods shooting their friends which they mistake for quail :P
The problem is even the US military doesn&#39;t property train their troops in firearms, this is why US rifles have a burst mode because the US military doesn&#39;t trust that their troops are skilled enough to simply pop off a few shots and release the trigger. There are reports of US troops in Iraq switching to full fire mode and emptying hole mags when they have no visible target as they don&#39;t where a sniper this not only allows a sniper to pick them off as they all reload around the same time but this also leads to by-standards and friendly forces getting hit by stray bullets.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Psy+December 07, 2007 01:43 pm--> (Psy @ December 07, 2007 01:43 pm)
Red [email protected] 07, 2007 04:09 am
This is just common sense. If you own something like a gun, you should know exactly what you&#39;re dealing with, how to use it, and how to be safe with it. Drivers need to know how to drive in order to responsibly use a car, it only makes sense to make sure gun owners know how to be responsible with their guns. Gun accidents kill and injure a lot of people in incidents that are totally avoidable if you know what you&#39;re doing. And of course, we can&#39;t have people running around in the woods shooting their friends which they mistake for quail :P
The problem is even the US military doesn&#39;t property train their troops in firearms, this is why US rifles have a burst mode because the US military doesn&#39;t trust that their troops are skilled enough to simply pop off a few shots and release the trigger. There are reports of US troops in Iraq switching to full fire mode and emptying hole mags when they have no visible target as they don&#39;t where a sniper this not only allows a sniper to pick them off as they all reload around the same time but this also leads to by-standards and friendly forces getting hit by stray bullets. [/b]
I&#39;m not talking about accuracy, I mean that people need to be able to clean, maintain, and operate their guns safely. Guns that are not properly maintained can malfunction and sometimes hurt the user. People should know basic safety procedures to avoid accidents, and of course accuracy is a good thing too, but that&#39;s harder to guarantee.

[ellipsis]

right-wing militias

there are too many right-wing militias, that why I have my own cadre training for the revolution and the creation of the Socialist Republic of Vermont. See my blog, linked in my signature.

I whole hearted reject gun-control as it is a tool for oppressing the masses. i suggest a zine that is around, at least on the east coast called "my politicians love gun control" by sweettea, some chiller down south.

[ellipsis]

but rifle's and other stuff that cant be concealed would be totally ok with me.

umm i can completely conceal my friends AR-15 and my combat shotgun under my trench coat and walk around in public (not that i do), no problem. And that would be legal in vermont, where i have my arsenal!

[Faux Real]

Liberal leftists certainly are, and the ones who follow the pacifist trend obviously. They hold the illusion that following the "examples" of Ghandi and Martin Luther king (far from accomplishing their envisioned goal) can be practiced in modern globalized times, if social justice is what they're even aiming for. This view might shift when the state becomes more overtly repressive.

There's also the belief that only gangs and serious criminals have the need for weapons, and by getting rid of guns that the inner cities would be free of violence.

[Winter]

I would argue that there is a huge difference between the bourgeois controlled "liberals" and us class conscious leftists. I love guns, if I had more money, I'd buy one ( or six ).

But think about the larger picture, between conservative americans and liberal americans. When you combine their stances on issues you end up with a potential police state totally ran by the bourgeois. When will people wake up to the fact that the liberals in the US are nothing but more rich people looking out for there own self interest?