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letsgetfree
4th December 2007, 18:33
SAN FRANCISCO -- A Sacramento atheist will take his arguments to remove God from the Pledge of Allegiance and U.S. currency to a federal appeals court Tuesday.
Michael Newdow, an attorney and medical doctor, first sued the Elk Grove Unified School District in 2000 for forcing public school children to recite the pledge, saying it was unconstitutional.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in Newdow's favor in 2002. But two years later, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-3 that Newdow lacked standing to sue because he didn't have custody of his elementary school daughter on whose behalf he filed the complaint. In response, Newdow immediately filed a second suit on behalf of three unidentified parents and their children.
In 2005, a federal judge in Sacramento found in favor of Newdow, ruling the pledge was unconstitutional because its reference to one nation "under God" violates children's rights to be "free from a coercive requirement to affirm God." The judge said he was following the precedent set by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals when it ruled in Newdow's first case.
A three-judge panel of that appeals court will hear arguments in the case Tuesday. The same panel also will hear arguments in Newdow's case against the nation's motto, "In God We Trust."
In 2005, Newdow sued Congress and several federal officials, arguing making money with the motto on it violated the First Amendment clause requiring the separation of church and state.
Last year, a federal judge in Sacramento disagreed, saying the words amounted to a secular national slogan that did not violate Newdow's atheism.
Newdow appealed.
Congress first authorized a reference to God on a two-cent piece in 1864. In 1955, the year after lawmakers added the words "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance, Congress passed a law requiring all U.S. currency to carry the motto "In God We Trust."
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Comrade J
5th December 2007, 18:16
Although I can see why he's doing it, I don't think he stands a chance given the unpopularity of such a suggestion. There is no way one man could convince Congress to get rid of the multiple God references on currency, in the pledge of allegiance etc.

Still, any attempt to secularise society and education is surely beneficial to the far-left in the long-run, but I don't think that will happen in America for quite some time.

ahab
15th December 2007, 17:20
I hope he does win, in school I would always get in trouble for turning my back to the flag (not just because im an atheist) during the pledge of allegiance, and when I brought up the same argument about seperating church and state my teachers would call me ignorant and one shouted that I was an asshole in front of the whole class and kicked me out. That shit is unacceptable and people should be allowed NOT to believe in god without punishment

NorthStarRepublicML
16th December 2007, 07:00
That shit is unacceptable and people should be allowed NOT to believe in god without punishment

whoa! i thought leftists were against abuses of government power like restricting peoples freedom of association and doubly against calling ideas and beliefs "thought crimes"

I'm all for separation of church and state, that we can agree on ... but i wouldn't support punishing someone for their personal spiritual beliefs .. at least beliefs like this one which matters very little in terms of class struggle and socialism ....

whats so "unacceptable" about having belief in a creator (or flying spaghetti monster creator) as long as those beliefs are not abused for political ends ?

as I've pointed out before ... plenty of secular governments have people within them that are religious ....

a lot of comrades believe that religion will disappear if communism or socialism becomes the dominant world system, however i am not one of them. I personally reason that because religion has been present in every stage of history from early primitive societies to feudalism to our modern capitalist states there is little evidence that a shift in economic and social relations will eliminate spirituality and its organized apparatus (religion) ... the reason that religion has been carried from one world system to the next is because it reflects and empowers that system and not the other way around ... meaning that religion promotes capitalism because capitalism is the system which is dominant just as it promoted the feudal kings when they were dominant .... religion is shaped by the dominant social and economic conditions of the day ... religion does not shape the dominant social and economic conditions of the day

so i myself reason that under socialism, religion will reflect socialist values and promote socialism ...

sucks that your teacher called you an asshole, that was wrong, but its also wrong to develop a vendetta against a belief when the belief itself is benign and malleable, it wasn't a belief that offended you.. it was just some sanctimonious shitheel that done you wrong .... go ahead and slap her (or him)

as far as this:

A Sacramento atheist will take his arguments to remove God from the Pledge of Allegiance and U.S. currency to a federal appeals court Tuesday.

i think that it will fail ... for many reasons .... we can talk about those if you like .. but even if he was to succeed in this it's almost useless for his purposes .... i say this because what words are in the pledge and on currency actually has very little to do with belief .... meaning that the coin could say "hauling ass and making cash" or the pledge could be nothing but hums, clicks, and whirls ... peoples religious beliefs do not (in general) come from coins or pledges but from the beliefs of their parents .....

i suppose removing the words "God" from all government currencies and documents might be a good step to secular government .... but as far as i know ... the government is a secular one .... we might have some crazies pandering to fringe Christian voting blocks but thats about it, no actual attempts to change the way the three branches of government function along religious lines, no inquisitions against heathens, no second class status formalized for non-Christians .... politicians pay lip service to religions .. but little has actually been accomplished as far as legislation .. no overturning of Roe v. Wade, no federal ban on gay marriage ...

now there are defiantly a lot of problems with the US government but most of it has to do with monopoly capitalism, the structure of the representative democracy, and general public apathy ... on the whole religion seems to play a minor part ....