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PigmerikanMao
4th December 2007, 01:43
Not that it relates to leftism that much, but what are your opinions on Manji's critiques on the Muslim church today?

Cheung Mo
4th December 2007, 02:35
I think it's ironic that an apostate would take the same side as the Sauds on many questions of geopolitical importance?

Spirit of Spartacus
4th December 2007, 02:35
Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 01:42 am
Not that it relates to leftism that much, but what are your opinions on Manji's critiques on the Muslim church today?
Firstly, there is no such thing as a "Muslim church". Muslims do not follow the authority of any one central leader (unlike, for instance, the Catholics).

As for Irshad Manji herself, I agree that her ideas are quite interesting, if we're talking about reform within the Islamic faith, so as to bring it up to date for the needs of the 21st century.

I know its not music to the ears of many comrades on rev-left, but the way to achieve progress in the Muslim world is not to clash head-on with the Islamic faith, but to find ways of achieving social progress, even revolutions, while cautiously avoiding conflict with religious and spiritual sentiments.

Irshad Manji provides some interesting ways of solving the problem which we communists face when it comes to Islam.

How can we fight Islam's backwardness while avoiding direct attacks on the religion itself?

Irshad Manji's calls for secularism and rational re-interpretation of Islamic texts offers a solution which we should acquaint ourselves with.

HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, I must also point out that she is a dangerous sympathizer of First World imperialism, and her denunciations of "Islamic fundamentalism" often amount to a condemnation of Muslim efforts at resisting capitalist-imperialist aggression.

We need to take Irshad Manji with a grain of salt. Her ties to the imperialist bloc must be exposed, and her efforts at demonizing the anti-imperialist resistance in Muslim countries must be resisted by the revolutionary Left.

PigmerikanMao
4th December 2007, 02:56
Originally posted by Spirit of Spartacus+December 04, 2007 02:34 am--> (Spirit of Spartacus @ December 04, 2007 02:34 am)
[email protected] 04, 2007 01:42 am
Not that it relates to leftism that much, but what are your opinions on Manji's critiques on the Muslim church today?
Firstly, there is no such thing as a "Muslim church". Muslims do not follow the authority of any one central leader (unlike, for instance, the Catholics).

As for Irshad Manji herself, I agree that her ideas are quite interesting, if we're talking about reform within the Islamic faith, so as to bring it up to date for the needs of the 21st century.

I know its not music to the ears of many comrades on rev-left, but the way to achieve progress in the Muslim world is not to clash head-on with the Islamic faith, but to find ways of achieving social progress, even revolutions, while cautiously avoiding conflict with religious and spiritual sentiments.

Irshad Manji provides some interesting ways of solving the problem which we communists face when it comes to Islam.

How can we fight Islam's backwardness while avoiding direct attacks on the religion itself?

Irshad Manji's calls for secularism and rational re-interpretation of Islamic texts offers a solution which we should acquaint ourselves with.

HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, I must also point out that she is a dangerous sympathizer of First World imperialism, and her denunciations of "Islamic fundamentalism" often amount to a condemnation of Muslim efforts at resisting capitalist-imperialist aggression.

We need to take Irshad Manji with a grain of salt. Her ties to the imperialist bloc must be exposed, and her efforts at demonizing the anti-imperialist resistance in Muslim countries must be resisted by the revolutionary Left. [/b]
I suppose have worded myself better, I meant the muslim faith by church, sorry for that. As for everything else, I'd have to agree, though in the larger perspective, should this slow progression be taken with islam alone or must we use this tactic with all religious faiths?

Cheung Mo
6th December 2007, 00:16
Nobody in their right mind can object to Manji's personal take on Islam...What we can object to is many of the irrecovably flawed geopolitical positions she illogically derives from it.

Spirit of Spartacus
6th December 2007, 02:22
Originally posted by Cheung [email protected] 06, 2007 12:15 am
Nobody in their right mind can object to Manji's personal take on Islam...What we can object to is many of the irrecovably flawed geopolitical positions she illogically derives from it.
Precisely!

grove street
6th December 2007, 12:42
She is not an expert in Islamic knwoledge and her schooling in Islamic thought and theology is nothing greater then that of which she learned in Masjid>

Islamic thought is not one sided but takes on numerous forms with numerous interpretations> You simply cannot reform Islam just like you cannot truly reform any religion at the end of the day what is written down in the Quran is taken as truth wherether realative or absolout and people are not going to be happy if you tamper with the truth>

For a good Marxist analayse of Islam I recommend reading Enver Hoxha"s analayse of Islam> He was raised a Muslim in an Islamic ruled country where an Islamic education was one of the only few opportunities of education avalabile>

PigmerikanMao
6th December 2007, 19:04
Why are you capitalizing your periods, comrade? :o

grove street
8th December 2007, 02:12
Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 07:03 pm
Why are you capitalizing your periods, comrade? :o
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