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Spasiba
3rd December 2007, 17:40
How exactly do most of you feel about the free market? I know many of you may like centrally-planned economies, but the free market seems to be the way of the future because it is being pursued by many places. Is it only bad in capitalism and can it be applied to our beliefs, in some way? Or can it never work? I admit that much of its support may just be semantics, since the word 'free' is in it, people think it must be right. But I think the idea of getting things around the world to everyone is a good idea, but I hate the thought of finding a McDonalds buying out businesses all around the world. Your thoughts?

AGITprop
3rd December 2007, 17:42
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 05:39 pm
How exactly do most of you feel about the free market? I know many of you may like centrally-planned economies, but the free market seems to be the way of the future because it is being pursued by many places. Is it only bad in capitalism and can it be applied to our beliefs, in some way? Or can it never work? I admit that much of its support may just be semantics, since the word 'free' is in it, people think it must be right. But I think the idea of getting things around the world to everyone is a good idea, but I hate the thought of finding a McDonalds buying out businesses all around the world. Your thoughts?
what the fuck?
your free marke implies competition, and the only thing comptetion will bring is an ever growing rit between classes. i think you should brush up on your Marx, no offense

Spasiba
3rd December 2007, 18:34
OK, I wasn't thinking, sorry, heh, maybe I was thinking globalization, which I don't like the sound of, but I think getting people connected with each other is a good thing, so long as we don't force things on each other.

As far as competition, while I believe 10 people working together will always get more done than 10 competing, I think that to a degree it may help people to think of new ideas. Or mabye thats just what I've been told to think.

And I haven't read much Marx, you're right, but I have too much other shit to read anyway. I'll get there, someday.

Revolucija
3rd December 2007, 18:44
OK, I wasn't thinking, sorry, heh, maybe I was thinking globalization, which I don't like the sound of, but I think getting people connected with each other is a good thing, so long as we don't force things on each other.

Hm, looks like you don't make difference between the so-called globalization (= economical globalization) and, I guess, internationalism. Do some search on revleft ;)

AGITprop
3rd December 2007, 19:27
wll this is learning and there is no stupid questions..no wait this is THEORY!..lol...stupid.nah just kidding but seriously...start off ith the basics! commie manifesto is always gud. a bit of a dry read but stil very informative. Capital is great also but much longer.

Spasiba
3rd December 2007, 21:38
BAH, well tell me your theories on whatever I've said to make it legit. Looks like I have a lot of reading. I have the manifesto, but I've wanted to have a nice block of time to read and analyze it, so that I understand it, and that time is hard to fine. When I first saw Capital, I practically shat my pants. IDK how Marx could write so much, so power to him.
I surley just mixed up globalization and internationalism, so what exactly would we call the difference between them? Economics?

RedStarOverChina
4th December 2007, 00:16
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 01:33 pm
OK, I wasn't thinking, sorry, heh, maybe I was thinking globalization, which I don't like the sound of, but I think getting people connected with each other is a good thing, so long as we don't force things on each other.
It's never about "getting people connected". People are NOT connected, we still have borders, deportation laws and jails. They don't apply to the capitalists, of course.

What "Globalization" does is to provide convenience for rich capitalists to venture into every corner of the world and exploit them there---Bring their loots back to their native capitalist countries at the cost of the working class as a whole on a global scale.

To an average Chinese manufacturer, "globalization" means having to work longer hours, in horrible condition with little pay to fill the shelves of toy stores in the US--and contribute to the retirement fund of some filthy rich capitalists. Then, he should also be weary of losing his job, because his American boss will pull out and move to India eventually, leaving him in destitute.

He enjoys none of the benefits of this so-called "Globalization", because he's a victim of it, just like the mass majority of the world population.

Comrade MWC
4th December 2007, 01:12
Free Market or any form of Monetary economy, even central planned, will lead to some sort of Capitalism or Market Socialism and that= not good.