Will Modern Communism suffer the same fate as prim

[jacobin1949]

Man after emerging out of hunter-gathering established primitive communist societies without class or property. And yet out of primitive communism arose the contradictions that later created a slave society. Do you foresee the possibility that perhaps modern communism will posses internal contradictions that will lead to the same demise as primitive communism?

Primitive communism seems to show that the elimination of classes does not mean the end of contradictions nor historical progress. Classes can emerge out of classless societies.

[Die Neue Zeit]

But there are naturally uncontrollable threats, too (not just mile-long asteroids):

Supervolcano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervolcano)

I surmise that it's possible, and such is based on the phenomenon of plate tectonics. My only hope is that, if true, we won't repeat the slave and feudal modes of production.

[jacobin1949]

Of course one needs to consider how technology of productive forces will affect social developments. Historical Materialism suggests that while history repeats itself it also progresses. So the return to communism will not be a return to tribes and huts. So a future slave society would be very different as well. Perhaps increasing reliance on technology for manual labor would produce the modern equivalent?

[Die Neue Zeit]

Originally posted by jacobin194[email protected] 01, 2007 08:55 pm
Of course one needs to consider how technology of productive forces will affect social developments. Historical Materialism suggests that while history repeats itself it also progresses. So the return to communism will not be a return to tribes and huts. So a future slave society would be very different as well. Perhaps increasing reliance on technology for manual labor would produce the modern equivalent?
"I, Robot" :D

[The funny thing here being that AI-conscious robots could end up mixing property-less collectivism on their end with "racism" against ours in their uprising. :mellow: ]

[Dros]

I don't think communism will in any meaningful sense be "the end of history." Communism will be a better world but their will still be necessity, etc... I don't think classes will develop because societal orginization will be more "sophisticated" than under primitive communism. Primitive communism developed class distinctions based on technology. Part of modern communism will be preventing that from occuring by radically altering the ideological component of the superstructure to the point where the idea of private property will be absurd to most people.

[Tower of Bebel]

Slave society emerged from the transition of hunter-gatherer societies to agricultural societies. What evolution might come out of communism? I can't think of any new society that would follow communism. Btw, communism is a society of abundance, why would it be followed by a society of scarcity (which is the reason why slaves existed)?

[bootleg42]

In order to prevent such a fate, it is up to us communists (or anarchists should true anarchy be achieved) to record history and to record our political works everywhere in great numbers.

Primitive communism didn't have such a recorded history like we do now, and like such communist would have in the future, so it's understandable why they made such moves towards slave society, feudalism, then capitalism. We need to record history PROPERLY and to make sure our political works never die so that they serve purpose to remind people never to repeat history.

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 11:29 am
In order to prevent such a fate, it is up to us communists (or anarchists should true anarchy be achieved) to record history and to record our political works everywhere in great numbers.

Primitive communism didn't have such a recorded history like we do now, and like such communist would have in the future, so it's understandable why they made such moves towards slave society, feudalism, then capitalism. We need to record history PROPERLY and to make sure our political works never die so that they serve purpose to remind people never to repeat history.
When reading or hearing old stories, often religious, of the first agrarian empires you can clearly see people at that time knew society was "better" before it got dominated by agriculture. There was no slavery, everyone was free; but they also saw that agrarian technology was also an advantage people didn't want to lose.

Btw, you must have certain material conditions to create a free society, not books that tell you can live as a free man/woman.

[jacobin1949]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 09:24 am
Slave society emerged from the transition of hunter-gatherer societies to agricultural societies. What evolution might come out of communism? I can't think of any new society that would follow communism. Btw, communism is a society of abundance, why would it be followed by a society of scarcity (which is the reason why slaves existed)?
If communism represents the highest social=productive forces of man, than it would stand to reason that technology would increase exponentially rather than stagnate. And thus you have the possibility of repeating the cycle that ended primitive communism. As social productive forces change radically, it is not unforeseeable for new classes to arise.

[AGITprop]

As communists, we believe that capitalism has come, done its job and is itstime to go. We must examine history dialectically. Every era has had its purpose. Slavery was replaced with serfdom and then so on wih capitalism. As communists we belive that a socialist workers revolution is the solution and the end of this pattern. We do not know, there may be a need to change certain things in the future. We do not have the gift of foresight but what we can do is deal with those issues as they arise. Right now, establishing socialism is our ultimate goal. But remember, we are not perfect and neither is communism.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 02:26 am
Man after emerging out of hunter-gathering established primitive communist societies without class or property. And yet out of primitive communism arose the contradictions that later created a slave society. Do you foresee the possibility that perhaps modern communism will posses internal contradictions that will lead to the same demise as primitive communism?

Primitive communism seems to show that the elimination of classes does not mean the end of contradictions nor historical progress. Classes can emerge out of classless societies.
Nay. The only risk is scarcity, that could create class divisions.

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 08:26 pm
Man after emerging out of hunter-gathering established primitive communist societies without class or property. And yet out of primitive communism arose the contradictions that later created a slave society. Do you foresee the possibility that perhaps modern communism will posses internal contradictions that will lead to the same demise as primitive communism?

Primitive communism seems to show that the elimination of classes does not mean the end of contradictions nor historical progress. Classes can emerge out of classless societies.
I say no, because of great intellectual progress that man has made ove the thousands of years. Ultimately the brute force aspect was the only asset a man had back then, as it was needed to hunt, and the stronger started to dominate the weaker in the clan (the dawn of our situation, if you will) and later on refused to support him making him trade or work for food, rather than live with the clan.

Modern communism will work under the creed of "To everyone according to his/her need, from evryone according to his/her ability" which is QUITE different from primitive communism.