sI've Never Understood This View . . .

[LOTFW]

Recently, someone posted this view on the I.O. section:

America has fucked up so much of the world that people have no choice but to immigrate, preferably to the country that is thriving off their misery.

I've read this before. It's in relation to the issue of why people nationalize and become U.S. citizens. It seems to be sour grapes.

I know people who move to the U.S., and then become citizens. Not one has ever said to me, "Damn! I really don't want to be a U.S. citizen. But America's fucked it up for me in my nation of origin, and I better become an American so I can become an exploiter and not an exploitee."

The tens of thousands who become Americans each year do so in a public cerimony that they celebrate. It can be very emotional. If you get to know such people, they may tell you they miss their first country, and I've never met one who believes that they're doing this to get on the winning team and not be gobbled up.

Where does this view come from? Are there any statistics taken where people answer surveys that they nationalized because America already fucked up their "old world".

Shouldn't be stop deluding ourselves?

[Marxist1917]

When people say that they usually aren't meaning it literally. What they probably mean is that what they are saying is happening indirectly.

For example, many people in Cuba are very poor due to the U.S. blockade. Due to this they want to move to a place where the conditions are better, and so they try to go to the U.S.

[Luís Henrique]

"My boss is an asshole who bullies everybody in the workplace, except his brother in law. I want to marry his other sister to become part of the family and stop being bullied."

Makes sence?

Luís Henrique

[LOTFW]

Actually, Luis, no. That doesn't make sense at all. And I've never met anyone who would make that choice, or similar.

Re: Cuba and blockade statement. Yes, I understand the reasoning, just never saw it in practice. Those who want to leave Cuba are fearcly anti-Castro. Those who stay in Cuba would make the connection and agree with you. At least this is my experience.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 07:19 am
Re: Cuba and blockade statement. Yes, I understand the reasoning, just never saw it in practice. Those who want to leave Cuba are fearcly anti-Castro. Those who stay in Cuba would make the connection and agree with you. At least this is my experience.
Here in Brazil the Cubans ex-pats aren't anti-Castro. They just want to enjoy a middle-class life standard that their college degrees entitle them to here.

Luís Henrique

[LOTFW]

Here in Brazil the Cubans ex-pats aren't anti-Castro. They just want to enjoy a middle-class life standard that their college degrees entitle them to here.


I've never heard a Marxist put it quite that way before. Hee hee. Yes, there are many Cuban ex-pats who aren't anti-Castro or anti-"democratic-socialist" per se. I was writing, of course, about the ones who come to the United States. My point was that I've never heard of them coming here with the view they hate America, but have no cholce due to America's fucking up the rest of the planet.