French youth have guns

[YSR]

"We have crossed a red line. When these kids aim their guns at police officers, they want to kill them. They are no longer afraid to shoot a policeman. We are only on the second day since the accident and already they are shooting guns at the police."

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?...071127115707453 (http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20071127115707453)

So, gang. French youth: useless lumpen-proletariat or internationalized revolutionary subjects? You be the judge!

[ComradeR]

The potential is there, all it needs is a strong leftist movement to provide organization and leadership to help unite the workers and push this into an open revolution.

[An archist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28, 2007 10:05 am
The potential is there, all it needs is a strong leftist movement to provide organization and leadership to help unite the workers and push this into an open revolution.
Believe me, if you go and tell that crap to those kids, they will chase you out of their banlieus.

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by An archist+November 28, 2007 02:22 pm--> (An archist @ November 28, 2007 02:22 pm)
[email protected] 28, 2007 10:05 am
The potential is there, all it needs is a strong leftist movement to provide organization and leadership to help unite the workers and push this into an open revolution.
Believe me, if you go and tell that crap to those kids, they will chase you out of their banlieus. [/b]
I don't think it is the time to propose a collective struggle of rioting youngsters and striking workers against Sarkozy. The riot will fail, and it seems impossible to turn this riot into some sort of a political opposition against the establishment.
yet when the riot ends a left opposition could work togheter with these youngsters to form an effective opposition.

[lvleph]

There is already a thread on this. (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=73619&st=0)

[S.O.I]

When these kids aim their guns at police officers, they want to kill them. They are no longer afraid to shoot a policeman. We are only on the second day since the accident and already they are shooting guns at the police.
haha

mah people

more threads like this

[spartan]

I hope that the combination of these riots and the strikes force that Thatcherite neo Liberal pro USA bastard Sarkozy out.

[Lenin II]

The film La Haine led me to believe that having a gun in France was a BIG deal. If this proposal is true, this is no small news, comrades. Any armed youths opposing police brutality is revolutionary, and not liberal, in nature and we should support it fully. Any French comrades should take this opportunity to distribute papers and do political work. With the recent riots in France after the election this is an important time for France.

[Ismail]

This obviously won't lead to revolution (plus the workers [with peasants if needed, but not acceptable in this case] lead the revolution, not the youth) but there is potential to gain supporters of Marxist-Leninism here. I wonder how many will simply become Trots/Left Communists and then abandon Communism after a few months though...

Hoxha on the role of youth in revolution, from Imperialism and the Revolution (1979):

Chapter III

The organization of the masses of the youth is of special importance to the Marxist-Leninist parties. The role of the youth in the revolutionary movements has always been great. From its very nature the youth is for the new and against the old, and shows itself ready to fight for the triumph of everything progressive, revolutionary. However, on its own, it is incapable of finding the right road. Only the party of the working class can show it this road. When the inexhaustible revolutionary energies of the youth are united with the energies of the working class and the other working masses to wipe out oppression and exploitation, for national and social liberation, there is no force which can stop the triumph of the revolution.

However, in the capitalist and revisionist countries today, the majority of the youth expend their energies in wrong directions. They are misled by the bourgeoisie and revisionism and often turn to adventurism and anarchism or fall into utopia and despair, because they have been disorientated and bemused and take a gloomy view of the future, the prospects for the fulfilment of their political, material and spiritual demands.

The Marxist-Leninists always pay very great attention to the youth, try to enlighten them and convince them that the aspirations and desires of the youth can be fulfilled only on the road Marxism-Leninism shows them, and under the leadership of the working class and its party. They are working to free the youth from the influence of the bourgeoisie and revisionists, from the "leftist", Trotskyite, or anarchist movements, and to mobilize them in revolutionary organizations, to draw them on to the road of the revolution.

The genuine Marxist-Leninist party and the revolutionary communists take part actively in the workers' strikes and demonstrations and fight to turn, them into political strikes and demonstrations, so as to make life impossible for capitalism, the employers, cartels, monopolies and the trade-union chiefs. In the course ofthis broad activity the proletarit come to grips more often and more openly with the armed forces of the bourgeois order, but from these clashes it will learn to fight better. In the course of the struggle it also finds what forms of organization and revolutionary struggle are possible, correct, and appropriate. "You cannot learn to swim without getting into the water," goes a popular saying. Without fighting by means of strikes, demonstrations, without active involvement in actions against capitalism in general, the struggle for the final victory cannot be organized and intensified, the bourgeois order cannot be overthrown.

Chapter VII

In judging their previous dubious actions, as well as those observed during the Cultural Revolution, and especially the events following this revolution up till now, the rises and falls of this or that group in the leadership, today the group of Lin Piao, tomorrow that of Teng Hsiao-ping, a Hua Kuo-feng, etc., each of which had its own platform opposed to the other's, all these things impelled our Party to delve more deeply into the views and actions of Mao Tsetung and the Communist Party of China, to get a more thorough knowledge of "Mao Tsetung thought" When we saw that this Cultural Revolution was not being led by the party but was a chaotic outburst following a call issued by Mao Tsetung, this did not seem to us to be a revolutionary stand. It was Mao's authority in China that made millions of unorganized youth, students and pupils, rise to their feet and march on Peking, on party and state committees, which they dispersed. It was said that these young people represented the "proletarian ideology" in China at that time and would show the party and the proletarians the "true" road!

Such a revolution, which had a pronounced political character, was called a cultural revolution. In our Party's opinion, this name was not accurate, since, in fact, the movement that had burst out in China was a political, not a cultural movement. But the main thing was the fact that neither the party nor the proletariat were in the leadership of this "reat proletarian revolution". This grave situation stemmed from Mao Tsetung's old anti-Marxist concepts of underestimation of the leading role of the proletariat and overestimation of the youth in the revolution. Mao wrote: "What role did the Chinese young people begin to play since the 'May 4th Movement'? In a way they began to play a vanguard role - a fact recognised by everybody in our country except the ultra-reactionaries. What is a vanguard role? It means taking the lead...".

Thus the working class was left on the sidelines, and there were many instances when it opposed the red guards and even fought them. Our comrades, who were in China at that time, have seen with their own eyes factory workers fighting the youth. The party was disintegrated. It was liquidated, and the communists and the proletariat were totally disregarded.

[spartan]

Youths, especially students, often make an important part of any revolution.

Students are often the first ones to start protests against injustice and are usually the first people to join and give support to striking workers.

[S.O.I]

Paris rioters 'criminals' says Prime Minister
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7115267.stm

French President Nicolas Sarkozy is due to meet Fillon and his interior and justice ministers to discuss the crisis on his return from China on Wednesday (28th):

http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/...olice-dead.html (http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/news/world/20071127-banlieue-suburbs-violence-riot-villiers-le-bel-cars-burnt-police-teenagers-8-police-dead.html)

[An archist]

Originally posted by Rakunin+November 28, 2007 12:29 pm--> (Rakunin @ November 28, 2007 12:29 pm)
Originally posted by An [email protected] 28, 2007 02:22 pm

[email protected] 28, 2007 10:05 am
The potential is there, all it needs is a strong leftist movement to provide organization and leadership to help unite the workers and push this into an open revolution.
Believe me, if you go and tell that crap to those kids, they will chase you out of their banlieus.
I don't think it is the time to propose a collective struggle of rioting youngsters and striking workers against Sarkozy. The riot will fail, and it seems impossible to turn this riot into some sort of a political opposition against the establishment.
yet when the riot ends a left opposition could work togheter with these youngsters to form an effective opposition. [/b]
Actually, there already are quite some of these initiatives, only the youths aren't keen at all about traditional leftist organisations.
Initiatives like this seem to be more succesful:
http://www.appelauxsansvoix.org/

[YSR]

Sorry. If a mod could merge these threads, that'd be great.

As to the topic: this is a spontaneous rebellion of the working class. More power to 'em.