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R_P_A_S
26th November 2007, 18:04
I found this article about an ex Bolshevik teen, now full blown pro-Putin United Russia cheerleader.

Pro-Putin cheerleader
With just days to go before Russia's parliamentary election Andrei Tatarinov, an activist for the youth wing of the United Russia party, explains how he came to be a Putin loyalist.

Tomorrow we report on opposition fears that the election will push Russia back in the direction of a one-party state.

Mr Tatarinov, 19, is a Muscovite journalism student and head of "counter-propaganda" for the Young Guard, United Russia's youth wing. He believes Vladimir Putin has a key role to play even after his presidential term ends in 2008.

I used to be a follower of Eduard Limonov's National Bolshevik Party. I was going through a rebellious phase, reading books about Che Guevara, Trotsky, the Russian Revolution.


I continued to mix with the opposition, with the liberals, until I finally decided to quit altogether because I could not understand why Russia was supposed to hand back the Kuril Islands to Japan and Karelia to Finland.



Today's opposition are either anarchists or they want to drag us backwards - to the chaos of the 1990s or to the communist past

Andrei Tatarinov

Here was a guy [Vladimir Putin] no longer swayed by beautiful banners and the rebel aesthetic but starting to understand ideology. Gradually I found myself agreeing with our government's course, and finally I joined the Young Guard.

Incidentally, two weeks ago I was in a restaurant in central Moscow when somebody smashed the side window of my car. They left a note saying "We know where you are". I think the opposition see me as their personal enemy.


Sovereign nation

One aspect of the Young Guard's ideology is defence of national sovereignty, whether political or cultural.


One of our problems is that we [in Russia] eat at McDonalds more often than we go to church. McDonalds is fine, but we have let ourselves be overwhelmed by Western culture.

Ukraine and Georgia are countries which lost their sovereignty. It's just not right when you can't take a decision without having to consult Washington first.

I agree absolutely with Putin that the collapse of the USSR was, in geopolitical terms, a disaster. I regret losing such a great and vast country but I am not sorry we lost the communist system.


Unfortunately, ill-educated people find it hard to distinguish patriotism from nationalism. Of course, the Young Guard is against racism and nationalism, which are impermissible in a country with an ethnic mix like Russia's.

I have friends from the Caucasus but here is one interesting point: if a Russian hits a Caucasian, it is fascism, yet when a Caucasian hits a Russian, it is not called fascism but something else.

At ease with power

Nashi [the best-known pro-Putin youth group] are our partners. The difference is that they are involved in social projects while our projects are purely political.


I do not feel like a Komsomol [the USSR's communist youth movement] member. For me the typical Komsomol member was some browbeaten boy seeking to please his bosses.

We in the Young Guard would just laugh at the idea of trying to suck up to our peers in United Russia.

I'm not afraid that United Russia might turn into a political monster. It is a skilled political instrument, without which we would wallow in populism.

I would like to see a two-party system in Russia eventually, like in Britain - two strong parties.

But today's opposition are either anarchists or they want to drag us backwards - to the chaos of the 1990s or to the communist past.

After the vodka

Is United Russia bigger than Putin? United Russia is Putin.

Putin has become more than a president, more than a leader. We were like a nation without a father.

Russia used to be seen as all vodka and bears but thanks to Putin it is now regarded as a heavyweight. And Putin has brought Russia stability.

He will leave the presidency but he will remain a national leader.

For now it remains a secret what new position he will occupy. He has given us hints but we are not revealing anything!

In any case, everything will be within the framework of the constitution.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/7113253.stm

Published: 2007/11/26 14:10:34 GMT

© BBC MMVII

RedAnarchist
26th November 2007, 18:12
Quite a few people go from being far-leftists to just being liberals or even going to the Right. Often, the cause is either frustration or the person just doesn't have the commitment.

RedStarOverChina
26th November 2007, 18:15
He was a nationalist to begin with. He was in the National Bolshevik party.

In any case, I certain am not going back to nationalism. I had been a nationalist until I was 16 or 17--Then reason slowly prevailed.

R_P_A_S
26th November 2007, 18:19
is not a question of having pride for me. I mean like, "im not too proud to accept defeat and go back to being a fucking...whatever the hell I was before. anyways. I didn't become a leftist until i was near 24 years old. I'm 26 now. So i feel really good as where I stand with my views.

i mean to one day realized everyone has been pretty much lying to you and brainwashing you. to one day being able to open your eyes and think freely is something i will never give up. and the left has allowed me this.

RedAnarchist
26th November 2007, 18:27
I used to be a right-winger (not stormfront right-wing, but more centrist right-wing) up until around the age of 17. I'm now 21 and an Anarchist-Communist. I definately feel that an anarchist society is the best for the world and cannot see myself ever moving back towards the centre.

Red October
26th November 2007, 19:21
That kid was not a leftist, he was a nazbol. There's a big difference there. Though it is true that many leftist drift out of it for many reasons. Some kids do fit the stereotype of the "rebellious teenager" who's only into leftism to get back at their parents or whatever. And it's good that those sorts of people leave the movement because we don't need uncommitted or false people in our struggle. Being a revolutionary leftist can be very frustrating when you are not in a revolutionary period, because often it seems like no progress is made. In the United States, the radical left is very small and disunited, but it's essential for us to keep moving and not give up. I had a friend who used to be a Communist, but he has since given up hope. But he was never a very strong comrade to begin with, so in a way it is good he has dropped out. It may sound darwinian to say this, but when the weaker ones drop out, it makes the rest of us stronger. I'd rather have a smaller amount of dedicated, active people than a bunch of lazy "comrades".

As for myself, I've been into politics since around 5th grade. I went from being a liberal to a communist and I feel very secure and confident in my beliefs now. I can't see myself ever leaving this behind after it's been such a large part of my life.

Ultra-Violence
26th November 2007, 20:00
yeah ive seen some people leave the movement but its either

1.Thier tired
2.Thier old and have a family
3.They didnt know wtf they were fighting for in the first place

Lenin II
26th November 2007, 20:07
It is quite weird how some people go from being hardcore into something to being its exact opposite, such as a right-wing Christian becoming an atheist, or the other way around. When people are at one extreme, they tend to be searching for another. Religion and politics are the simplest ways to find one's self. Each of them are man-made creations that allows a different sort of expression.

It's like Huey Lewis said: "Those who were the farthest out/have gone the other way."
Huey knows the news.

R_P_A_S
26th November 2007, 20:11
great additions to the thread guys. It feels good to read others thoughts on this issue. and to know we are all at times frustrated. thanks specially to Red October and Lenin II. good stuff.

RevSkeptic
26th November 2007, 23:15
One of the big reasons (not the only reason) the world is the way it is today is because people live the unexamined life. If you live life without really examining the purpose of your own existence then it's impossible for you to be happy and someone else would have to define that purpose for you be it "mainstream" society or religious hucksters. Marxism is one thing, but because we're not animals simply running on instincts (well, some of us aren't) then even if we have a free society people left with no purpose and have no personal will to define a purpose of their own will agonize over their own existence then you'll naturally get dictators who'll fulfill this need.

Pawn Power
27th November 2007, 03:13
Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 01:26 pm
I used to be a right-winger (not stormfront right-wing, but more centrist right-wing) up until around the age of 17. I'm now 21 and an Anarchist-Communist. I definately feel that an anarchist society is the best for the world and cannot see myself ever moving back towards the centre.
BAN.

Seriously, thats a pretty strong left turn? Not that it isn't unheard of, even the other way around. I am just always suprised about how people can change ideologically in such a short period.

RedAnarchist
30th November 2007, 17:34
Originally posted by Pawn Power+November 27, 2007 03:12 am--> (Pawn Power @ November 27, 2007 03:12 am)
[email protected] 26, 2007 01:26 pm
I used to be a right-winger (not stormfront right-wing, but more centrist right-wing) up until around the age of 17. I'm now 21 and an Anarchist-Communist. I definately feel that an anarchist society is the best for the world and cannot see myself ever moving back towards the centre.
BAN.

Seriously, thats a pretty strong left turn? Not that it isn't unheard of, even the other way around. I am just always suprised about how people can change ideologically in such a short period. [/b]
I was more of a nationalist, us-supporting and religious person more than anything. I've never really been rascist or misogynistic, and at the time my views on homosexuality were the same as most people. Besides, I joined this site when I was 17 in 2003 so this site did a lot to change my views.