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Lenin II
23rd November 2007, 23:41
The title pretty much says it all. I want your opinion of the most utterly reactionary or right-wing TV shows ever. (News channels don't count). Try to keep it mostly current, though they can be canceled or no-longer airing shows as well.

My nominations are "24" and "Walker, Texas Ranger."

luxemburg89
23rd November 2007, 23:46
Anything involving Al Murray - useless twat.

Dr Mindbender
23rd November 2007, 23:53
Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 11:45 pm
Anything involving Al Murray - useless twat.
seconded...
also pretty much anything overtly political on ITV. God that channel is a waste of electromagnetic energy.

Faux Real
23rd November 2007, 23:57
Cops, <Insert country here>&#39;s Most Wanted, American Idol, any "reality" TV show, ESPN, the entire FOX News channel, C-SPAN, the Super Bowl +Halftime Show, NASCAR...

MT5678
24th November 2007, 01:11
TV exists to "deceive and oppress the public". As a result, all TV shows are reactionary.

RevMARKSman
24th November 2007, 01:46
the Super Bowl +Halftime Show
Gyuunh?

What? :blink:

Faux Real
24th November 2007, 02:36
It&#39;s the epitome of corporate American jingoism, and the half-time performances are even worse&#33;

Here&#39;s a nice article by Dave Zirin on the spectacle:


Super Bowl City on the Brink

By Dave Zirin, AlterNet. Posted February 3, 2006.

"A celebration of concentrated wealth." That&#39;s what Washington Post sportswriter Tony Kornheiser called the National Football League&#39;s two-week long pre-Super Bowl party binge. Every Super Bowl Sunday, corporate executives and politicians exchange besotted, sodden backslaps, amidst an atmosphere that would shame Jack Abramoff. Only this year the bacchanalia -- complete with ice sculptures peeing Grey Goose vodka and two tons of frozen lobster flown directly to the stadium -- is happening in the United States&#39; most impoverished, ravaged city: Detroit.

Detroit&#39;s power elites in government and the auto industry are rolling out the red carpet while many of its people shiver in fraying rags. This contrast between the party atmosphere and abject urban suffering has been so stark, so shocking and so utterly revealing that news coverage on the city&#39;s plight has appeared in the sports pages of the New York Times and Detroit Free Press, among others.

Only a Bush speechwriter couldn&#39;t notice the gritty backdrop while limos clog the streets and escort services are flying in female reinforcements like so much shellfish. Detroit -- and there is no soft way to put this -- is a city on the edge of the abyss. Its 2005 unemployment rate was 14.1 percent, more than two and a half times the national level. Its population has plummeted since the 1950s from over two million to fewer than 900,000, and more than one-third of its residents live under the poverty line, the highest rate in the nation. In addition, the city has in the past year axed hundreds of municipal employees, cut bus and garbage services, and boarded up nine recreation centers.

As the Associated Press wrote, "Much of the rest of Detroit is a landscape dotted with burned-out buildings, where liquor stores abound but supermarkets are hard to come by, and where drugs, violence and unemployment are everyday realities."

Ryan Anderson of Detroit, wrote me a chilling email saying, "The mood is one of Orwellian-flavored siege: dire warnings of a 30-day police speeding ticket bonanza, designed to raise &#036;1 million for the construction of a damn bridge welcoming out-of-towners to the Motor City; the mayor, the governor, and every other notable on the radio urging us all to &#39;show &#39;em what we got&#39; [read: Don&#39;t further sully our already bad reputation]; and the homeless being taken to a three-day &#39;Superbowl Party,&#39; where they&#39;ll get the actual food and shelter they need until the big game&#39;s over, after which they&#39;ll be kicked back out on the streets. Welcome to the Poorest City in America, sponsored and enabled by lily-white Oakland County."

Anita Cerf, a teacher in Detroit also wrote to me, "I am appalled by the living conditions of its residents as contrasted with the hype for the Super Bowl and the fancying up of downtown for all the rich out-of-town guests. I live on the East Side, which probably has one of the highest poverty rates in the country, and I teach high school dropouts on the Southwest Side. My students have horrific problems, many of which stem from these economic and social conditions. It&#39;s disgusting."

Mitch Albom of the Detroit Free Press described the shelter, called the Detroit Rescue Mission, throwing the "three day party" to cleanse homeless people from the city&#39;s landscape. As Albom wrote, "Lines formed before sunset, dozens of men in dirty sweatshirts, old coats, worn-out shoes. They had to line up in an alley, because, [the shelter&#39;s director says], the city doesn&#39;t want lines of homeless folks visible from the street. Even at a shelter, they have to go in the back door."

But these days Detroit is dealing with more than normal tough times. While the Super Bowl is played at Ford Field, the Ford family announced last week that it would eliminate up to 30,000 jobs and close 14 plants in the next six years. The cuts mean it&#39;s the unemployment line, and maybe Albom&#39;s shelter, for about a third of the 87,000 Ford workers who are members of the United Auto Workers (UAW).

For a city that built a stable "middle class" out of union struggle and the auto plants, this is injury added to insult. But have no fear. NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command, will be flying sorties over Ford Field to protect everyone from terrorist missile attacks. There is no NORAD however on the streets of Detroit to protect people from Operation Enduring Class War otherwise known as the Super Bowl.

Dr Mindbender
24th November 2007, 02:44
Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 01:10 am
TV exists to "deceive and oppress the public". As a result, all TV shows are reactionary.
Not true. A number of communists, socialists and progressive thinkers have managed to break into mainstream British television, like Alexi Sayle, Ben Elton, Mark Steel and Mark Thomas.

RevSouth
24th November 2007, 02:59
Most anything MTV.

RevMARKSman
24th November 2007, 03:35
Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 09:35 pm
It&#39;s the epitome of corporate American jingoism, and the half-time performances are even worse&#33;

Here&#39;s a nice article by Dave Zirin on the spectacle:


Super Bowl City on the Brink

By Dave Zirin, AlterNet. Posted February 3, 2006.

"A celebration of concentrated wealth." That&#39;s what Washington Post sportswriter Tony Kornheiser called the National Football League&#39;s two-week long pre-Super Bowl party binge. Every Super Bowl Sunday, corporate executives and politicians exchange besotted, sodden backslaps, amidst an atmosphere that would shame Jack Abramoff. Only this year the bacchanalia -- complete with ice sculptures peeing Grey Goose vodka and two tons of frozen lobster flown directly to the stadium -- is happening in the United States&#39; most impoverished, ravaged city: Detroit.

Detroit&#39;s power elites in government and the auto industry are rolling out the red carpet while many of its people shiver in fraying rags. This contrast between the party atmosphere and abject urban suffering has been so stark, so shocking and so utterly revealing that news coverage on the city&#39;s plight has appeared in the sports pages of the New York Times and Detroit Free Press, among others.

Only a Bush speechwriter couldn&#39;t notice the gritty backdrop while limos clog the streets and escort services are flying in female reinforcements like so much shellfish. Detroit -- and there is no soft way to put this -- is a city on the edge of the abyss. Its 2005 unemployment rate was 14.1 percent, more than two and a half times the national level. Its population has plummeted since the 1950s from over two million to fewer than 900,000, and more than one-third of its residents live under the poverty line, the highest rate in the nation. In addition, the city has in the past year axed hundreds of municipal employees, cut bus and garbage services, and boarded up nine recreation centers.

As the Associated Press wrote, "Much of the rest of Detroit is a landscape dotted with burned-out buildings, where liquor stores abound but supermarkets are hard to come by, and where drugs, violence and unemployment are everyday realities."

Ryan Anderson of Detroit, wrote me a chilling email saying, "The mood is one of Orwellian-flavored siege: dire warnings of a 30-day police speeding ticket bonanza, designed to raise &#036;1 million for the construction of a damn bridge welcoming out-of-towners to the Motor City; the mayor, the governor, and every other notable on the radio urging us all to &#39;show &#39;em what we got&#39; [read: Don&#39;t further sully our already bad reputation]; and the homeless being taken to a three-day &#39;Superbowl Party,&#39; where they&#39;ll get the actual food and shelter they need until the big game&#39;s over, after which they&#39;ll be kicked back out on the streets. Welcome to the Poorest City in America, sponsored and enabled by lily-white Oakland County."

Anita Cerf, a teacher in Detroit also wrote to me, "I am appalled by the living conditions of its residents as contrasted with the hype for the Super Bowl and the fancying up of downtown for all the rich out-of-town guests. I live on the East Side, which probably has one of the highest poverty rates in the country, and I teach high school dropouts on the Southwest Side. My students have horrific problems, many of which stem from these economic and social conditions. It&#39;s disgusting."

Mitch Albom of the Detroit Free Press described the shelter, called the Detroit Rescue Mission, throwing the "three day party" to cleanse homeless people from the city&#39;s landscape. As Albom wrote, "Lines formed before sunset, dozens of men in dirty sweatshirts, old coats, worn-out shoes. They had to line up in an alley, because, [the shelter&#39;s director says], the city doesn&#39;t want lines of homeless folks visible from the street. Even at a shelter, they have to go in the back door."

But these days Detroit is dealing with more than normal tough times. While the Super Bowl is played at Ford Field, the Ford family announced last week that it would eliminate up to 30,000 jobs and close 14 plants in the next six years. The cuts mean it&#39;s the unemployment line, and maybe Albom&#39;s shelter, for about a third of the 87,000 Ford workers who are members of the United Auto Workers (UAW).

For a city that built a stable "middle class" out of union struggle and the auto plants, this is injury added to insult. But have no fear. NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command, will be flying sorties over Ford Field to protect everyone from terrorist missile attacks. There is no NORAD however on the streets of Detroit to protect people from Operation Enduring Class War otherwise known as the Super Bowl.

It&#39;s the epitome of corporate American jingoism

Yeah. Because 22 guys knocking each other over on a grass field to decide who&#39;s better at it has so much to do with that.

a) The Super Bowl is not a TV show.
b) Super Bowl hype =/= Super Bowl.
c) Job cuts and terrible poverty in Detroit are not caused by the Super Bowl.

Capiche?

Lenin II
24th November 2007, 04:49
I appreciate your contributions, comrades, but I repeat: News channels DO NOT count, since we already know they are all reactionary. I still vote 24 as the most reactionary propaganda on television. Other votes?

Faux Real
24th November 2007, 05:48
Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 07:34 pm
Yeah. Because 22 guys knocking each other over on a grass field to decide who&#39;s better at it has so much to do with that.

a) The Super Bowl is not a TV show.
b) Super Bowl hype =/= Super Bowl.
c) Job cuts and terrible poverty in Detroit are not caused by the Super Bowl.

Capiche?
Non avete capiro.

a) The Super Bowl is a yearly TV extravaganza
b) Okay?
c) When did I argue that?

The Super Bowl (or the players for that matter) causes job cuts and poverty? That would be the same as comparing celebrating the 4th of July to poverty.

The Super Bowl, like Independence Day, Veterans Day, and Thanksgiving, is an ultra-nationalist and reactionary event. It glorifies everything that&#39;s "American". From the limousines when the players and coaches arrive to the half-time shows and commercialized environment, as well as the commercials, it&#39;s a huge market fest and gets people to waste millions of dollars over a few guys pushing each other in the dirt.

If anything, the closest thing to the Super Bowl "causing" poverty would be it&#39;s massive move of event to an urban market that&#39;s population is highly disenfranchised, all the while holding the most expensive and glamorous of spectator sport event in that locale.

That&#39;s not causing poverty, but rather ignoring it. Living in that false state of ecstasy is what I would say is wrong with the whole event, not that a few guys are playing ball.
--
Or are fictitious dramas exempt from being reactionary because they don&#39;t cause poverty?

MarxSchmarx
24th November 2007, 05:50
Law &#39;n order

anything on fox "news"

Louis Rukeyser

farleft
24th November 2007, 10:49
Those fucking property ladder programes about making your property more valuable and expanding your "portfolio".

Wankers.

Pirate Utopian
24th November 2007, 12:32
Totally Spies.
Stuck-up shallow snobs doing business for the US government.

Dr Mindbender
24th November 2007, 12:45
The Dragon&#39;s den.

I&#39;m surprised no-one else from the UK has mentioned this one. :blink:

TheDifferenceEngine
24th November 2007, 14:27
Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 11:45 pm
Anything involving Al Murray - useless twat.
It&#39;s satire...

RevMARKSman
24th November 2007, 16:19
The Super Bowl, like Independence Day, Veterans Day, and Thanksgiving, is an ultra-nationalist and reactionary event. It glorifies everything that&#39;s "American". From the limousines when the players and coaches arrive to the half-time shows and commercialized environment, as well as the commercials, it&#39;s a huge market fest and gets people to waste millions of dollars over a few guys pushing each other in the dirt.

So am I not allowed to eat some turkey for Thanksgiving either? Not allowed to watch the Lions get crushed year after year?

I suspect that even when there is no market, and no national boundary, these holidays (except Veterans Day) will remain. People like to party. And they like football. End of story.


a) The Super Bowl is a yearly TV extravaganza

Dunno about you, but the only place I see anything other than the actual game is NFL Network, which has pretty much everything football-related.


c) When did I argue that?

When you posted an article that went on about job cuts as if they were actually relevant to the issue.


That&#39;s not causing poverty, but rather ignoring it. Living in that false state of ecstasy is what I would say is wrong with the whole event, not that a few guys are playing ball.

Nobody&#39;s allowed to be happy while there&#39;s poverty...?

And let me remind you the people ignore poverty all year round. No need to single out one week. If the Super Bowl were eliminated from society, that wouldn&#39;t "help to raise poverty awareness."

Labor Shall Rule
24th November 2007, 16:25
I think Glenn Beck, Bill O&#39;Reilly, along with a slew of other right-wing commentators offer the most reactionary programs over the television and radio.

farleft
24th November 2007, 17:46
Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 24, 2007 12:44 pm
The Dragon&#39;s den.

I&#39;m surprised no-one else from the UK has mentioned this one. :blink:
True, I guess there&#39;s just too much crap to mention.

Though I don&#39;t mind watching Dragons Den, you get to see how capitalism tries to find new markets and the desperation and greed of these wankers, like the guy who "invented" a cap for cucumbers so they would last 1 extra day. :lol:

Lenin II
24th November 2007, 22:54
Veggietales :blink:
Any made-for-TV movie about the 9/11.
South Park
Even though this isn&#39;t technically a TV show, the commercials recruiting for U.S. Army.

TheDifferenceEngine
24th November 2007, 23:50
The Chinese English-language news channel is called CCTV.

Scary eh?

Pawn Power
25th November 2007, 00:02
The news on CNN.

Mujer Libre
25th November 2007, 00:23
I think it&#39;s called NCIS- anyway, some similar acronym. One of the good guys is a Mossad agent&#33;

Organic Revolution
25th November 2007, 01:53
Penn and Teller- Bullshit.

Lenin II
25th November 2007, 02:07
Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 25, 2007 01:52 am
Penn and Teller- Bullshit.
OOH&#33; Good one&#33; See: their "Wal-Mart Hatred is Bullshit" episode.

Easterbrook
25th November 2007, 04:08
The OC

Dirty Sexy Money

The Apprentice

Desperate Housewives

Organic Revolution
25th November 2007, 04:53
Originally posted by Lenin II+November 24, 2007 08:06 pm--> (Lenin II @ November 24, 2007 08:06 pm)
Organic [email protected] 25, 2007 01:52 am
Penn and Teller- Bullshit.
OOH&#33; Good one&#33; See: their "Wal-Mart Hatred is Bullshit" episode. [/b]
Yeah, that one was fucking absurd, and the PETA on reminds me of some people on here.

Red Terror Doctor
1st December 2007, 00:17
Everything on t.v. is reactionary. The airwaves are funded through the collective wealth of the people then the corporations are given sole access to it to brainwash the masses with their filth.

counterblast
1st December 2007, 01:51
Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 01:10 am
TV exists to "deceive and oppress the public". As a result, all TV shows are reactionary.
That isn&#39;t always the case.

Detroit has a number revolutionary leftist shows on our public television stations.

counterblast
1st December 2007, 01:53
Originally posted by Organic Revolution+November 25, 2007 04:52 am--> (Organic Revolution @ November 25, 2007 04:52 am)
Originally posted by Lenin [email protected] 24, 2007 08:06 pm

Organic [email protected] 25, 2007 01:52 am
Penn and Teller- Bullshit.
OOH&#33; Good one&#33; See: their "Wal-Mart Hatred is Bullshit" episode.
Yeah, that one was fucking absurd, and the PETA on reminds me of some people on here. [/b]
They had one episode on recycling, that was ridiculous as well.

Comrade Nadezhda
1st December 2007, 20:36
TV shows such as Law & Order, Cops, CSI have always pissed me off, mostly because of their portrayal of the U.S. government and police force.

In terms of reactionary, the numerous "spy dramas" broadcast on ABC, NBC, FOX, and other networks promoting the FBI and CIA. I can think of several that were on a few years ago that I didn&#39;t even watch regularily but that I recall the classic representation of historical events was generally reactionary and often bourgeois-slanted - i.e. their representation of the coldwar era, the USSR, etc which were always major themes. basically just bullshit patriotism made into television series.

Psy
1st December 2007, 23:56
Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 01, 2007 08:35 pm
TV shows such as Law & Order, Cops, CSI have always pissed me off, mostly because of their portrayal of the U.S. government and police force.

In terms of reactionary, the numerous "spy dramas" broadcast on ABC, NBC, FOX, and other networks promoting the FBI and CIA. I can think of several that were on a few years ago that I didn&#39;t even watch regularily but that I recall the classic representation of historical events was generally reactionary and often bourgeois-slanted - i.e. their representation of the coldwar era, the USSR, etc which were always major themes. basically just bullshit patriotism made into television series.
But every so often there is a good show for example Tour Of Duty that ran on CBS in 1987 that showed Vietnam is a more radical light. My favourite line is "Why are we here? Because, we don&#39;t mean squat. We are second rate citizens. What about all the other people whose kids don&#39;t have to fight the war? Let&#39;s face it boys, we&#39;re the hicks, the spics and the niggers. That&#39;s why we&#39;re here."

Of course you won&#39;t see anything like that about the Iraq war till years after the US is out of there.

Comrade Nadezhda
2nd December 2007, 00:49
Originally posted by Psy+December 01, 2007 05:55 pm--> (Psy @ December 01, 2007 05:55 pm)
Comrade [email protected] 01, 2007 08:35 pm
TV shows such as Law & Order, Cops, CSI have always pissed me off, mostly because of their portrayal of the U.S. government and police force.

In terms of reactionary, the numerous "spy dramas" broadcast on ABC, NBC, FOX, and other networks promoting the FBI and CIA. I can think of several that were on a few years ago that I didn&#39;t even watch regularily but that I recall the classic representation of historical events was generally reactionary and often bourgeois-slanted - i.e. their representation of the coldwar era, the USSR, etc which were always major themes. basically just bullshit patriotism made into television series.
But every so often there is a good show for example Tour Of Duty that ran on CBS in 1987 that showed Vietnam is a more radical light. My favourite line is "Why are we here? Because, we don&#39;t mean squat. We are second rate citizens. What about all the other people whose kids don&#39;t have to fight the war? Let&#39;s face it boys, we&#39;re the hicks, the spics and the niggers. That&#39;s why we&#39;re here."

Of course you won&#39;t see anything like that about the Iraq war till years after the US is out of there. [/b]
well you know what I mean, tv mini series promoting the war on terror. i think there have been far too many, and i haven&#39;t owned a television in quite a long time. the last i recall was on tv in 2004. I recall The Grid, which I saw once or twice not even for the entire thing but that is a great example of how television plays off of certain views and not others- i.e. promoting the war on terror, the U.S. government, etc. post 9/11.

which doctor
2nd December 2007, 01:51
Originally posted by counterblast+November 30, 2007 08:50 pm--> (counterblast @ November 30, 2007 08:50 pm)
[email protected] 24, 2007 01:10 am
TV exists to "deceive and oppress the public". As a result, all TV shows are reactionary.
That isn&#39;t always the case.

Detroit has a number revolutionary leftist shows on our public television stations. [/b]
Do any of these TV shows have websites?

The Advent of Anarchy
2nd December 2007, 02:42
The O&#39;Reilly Factor, Glenn Beck&#39;s show, and Christiane Amanpour&#39;s special on the dead Pope. Good riddance, I say. He was a fascist bastard.
Here he is on the Capitalist pyramid (I don&#39;t remember it all):

We Rule You
We Fool You
We Exploit You
We Eat For You
WE FEED ALL

The Advent of Anarchy
2nd December 2007, 02:44
I would expect O&#39;reilly to be on this hing already.

Comrade Nadezhda
2nd December 2007, 06:41
Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 08:41 pm
The O&#39;Reilly Factor, Glenn Beck&#39;s show, and Christiane Amanpour&#39;s special on the dead Pope. Good riddance, I say. He was a fascist bastard.
Here he is on the Capitalist pyramid (I don&#39;t remember it all):

We Rule You
We Fool You
We Exploit You
We Eat For You
WE FEED ALL
I would say that is true in regard to most bullshit broadcast on television.

but the capitalist pyramid is:

We Rule You
We Fool You
We Shoot You
We Eat For You
We Feed All/Work For All

Angry Young Man
2nd December 2007, 17:08
Paul OGrady because I fucking hate him. errrrr lots of stuff

thescarface1989
2nd December 2007, 23:54
Originally posted by Comrade Nadezhda+December 02, 2007 06:40 am--> (Comrade Nadezhda &#064; December 02, 2007 06:40 am)
[email protected] 01, 2007 08:41 pm
The O&#39;Reilly Factor, Glenn Beck&#39;s show, and Christiane Amanpour&#39;s special on the dead Pope. Good riddance, I say. He was a fascist bastard.
Here he is on the Capitalist pyramid (I don&#39;t remember it all):

We Rule You
We Fool You
We Exploit You
We Eat For You
WE FEED ALL
I would say that is true in regard to most bullshit broadcast on television.

but the capitalist pyramid is:

We Rule You
We Fool You
We Shoot You
We Eat For You
We Feed All/Work For All[/b]
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j223/thescarface1989/capitalism.jpg

Comrade Rage
5th December 2007, 21:59
Originally posted by counterblast+November 30, 2007 07:50 pm--> (counterblast @ November 30, 2007 07:50 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 24, 2007 01:10 am
TV exists to "deceive and oppress the public". As a result, all TV shows are reactionary.
That isn&#39;t always the case.

Detroit has a number revolutionary leftist shows on our public television stations. [/b]
Kickass&#33;&#33; I&#39;ve always wanted to visit Detroit---I should check those out.

I can&#39;t get past the fact that you guys have a shitty bus system though-how can I get around with buses that run every 40-70 minutes (most don&#39;t run after 9 or 10 either.) with the exceptions of only two routes (34 Gratiot and 53 Woodward)?


LeninII
24
It&#39;s reactionary as hell, but I admit I do watch it, even if I&#39;m rooting for the other side. :D

Jack Bauer is supposed to be going after the PRC this season though-I wonder which dog-shit imperialist I&#39;ll root for? That&#39;ll be a tough one. :unsure:

Comrade MWC
5th December 2007, 23:11
TV exists to "deceive and oppress the public". As a result, all TV shows are reactionary.

That&#39;s only what the ruling class has utilized for.

manic expression
5th December 2007, 23:17
I can&#39;t believe Mind of Mencia hasn&#39;t been mentioned yet. It&#39;s racist and then some.