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Coffee Mug
22nd November 2007, 04:49
I was googling words like I usually do when I'm bored; and I came across this blog on Blogspot named; 'The Right Side.' It's a Conservative View-Point of a Leftist.
It mention the following quote multiple times:
"If you have a heart, you are a Liberal by the time you are 20. If you have a brain, you are a Conservative by the time you are 30."
Link:
"The Right Side"--What it Means to be a Leftist (http://the-right-side.blogspot.com/2006/02/what-it-means-to-be-leftist.html)
Seems like something you'd hear from an 'Expert' on Fox News.
This post is not a reflection of my own ideas.
RedAnarchist
22nd November 2007, 12:04
He think Socrates said that quote :lol:
I'm sure the Liberals and Conservatives were quite popular in Ancient Greece :rolleyes:
That whole blog is just rubbish. Its either a spoof or that guy needs to read more.
RedStarOverChina
22nd November 2007, 12:32
Originally posted by
[email protected] 22, 2007 07:03 am
He think Socrates said that quote :lol:
I'm sure the Liberals and Conservatives were quite popular in Ancient Greece :rolleyes:
That whole blog is just rubbish. Its either a spoof or that guy needs to read more.
Yeah I know! I couldn't believe he wrote that! Man if I were him I'd be so embarrassed.
Green Dragon
22nd November 2007, 12:58
It was a variation of what Churchill said once: If you are not a socialist by age 20, then you have no heart. If you are not a conservative by age 40, then you have no brain.
RedAnarchist
22nd November 2007, 13:05
Originally posted by Green
[email protected] 22, 2007 12:57 pm
It was a variation of what Churchill said once: If you are not a socialist by age 20, then you have no heart. If you are not a conservative by age 40, then you have no brain.
Churchill is one of quite a few people who are credited with the quote. Others include George Bernard Shaw and Bertrand Russell.
Demogorgon
22nd November 2007, 13:07
Originally posted by Green
[email protected] 22, 2007 12:57 pm
It was a variation of what Churchill said once: If you are not a socialist by age 20, then you have no heart. If you are not a conservative by age 40, then you have no brain.
Evidently Churchill had neither heart nore brain then. He was certainly no socialist at twenty and was not a Conservative at forty either...
TheDifferenceEngine
22nd November 2007, 16:54
Liberals aren't leftists!
Goddamn FOX news watchers.
Cmde. Slavyanski
22nd November 2007, 20:02
If you think that's bad, check out http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com
I did a write up of an exchange I had with the writer: http://rationalred.blogspot.com
Schrödinger's Cat
23rd November 2007, 05:09
The individual is responsible for what happens in their lives, good or bad.
Apparently certain conservatives are more insensitive to rape victims than I originally thought.
I didn't receive the memo in the mail detailing how social and economic conditions are separate. Apparently for a conservative it's society's fault the family is breaking down, but being poor is an individual condition. :mellow:
Ismail
23rd November 2007, 06:54
Originally posted by Demogorgon+November 22, 2007 08:06 am--> (Demogorgon @ November 22, 2007 08:06 am)
Green
[email protected] 22, 2007 12:57 pm
It was a variation of what Churchill said once: If you are not a socialist by age 20, then you have no heart. If you are not a conservative by age 40, then you have no brain.
Evidently Churchill had neither heart nore brain then. He was certainly no socialist at twenty and was not a Conservative at forty either... [/b]
Churchill was a racist piece of Nazi-sympathizing shit. We should take his insults of Socialism as a complement considering his defense of Fascism.
"I will not pretend that, if I had to choose between communism and nazism, I would choose communism" - Speaking in the House of Commons, 1937.
"One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievements. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations" - From 'Great Contemporaries', 1937.
"This movement among the Jews is not new...this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire" - Writing on 'Zionism versus Bolshevism' in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, 1920.
http://www.pcworks.demon.co.uk/magazine/do.../zzwinstonc.htm (http://www.pcworks.demon.co.uk/magazine/documents/zzwinstonc.htm)
Nusocialist
25th November 2007, 08:38
Originally posted by Green
[email protected] 22, 2007 12:57 pm
It was a variation of what Churchill said once: If you are not a socialist by age 20, then you have no heart. If you are not a conservative by age 40, then you have no brain.
Actually I don't think he mentioned conservative, it was just if you are still a socialist by 40 you have no brain.
Xiao Banfa
3rd December 2007, 08:01
They think there is good in everyone and people are never responsible for their own actions
This is bullshit a socialist society doesn't rely on everyone being good and people are held accountable for their own actions.
The Cuban justice system holds criminals accountable for their own actions by sending them to prison.
And all this bullshit of legislating for complete fairness that this right wing idiot charges us with wanting to do is nonsense.
Socialists believe in using the means at our disposal to eliminate poverty and ensure that our nations wealth is used to benefit the vast majority of people (who do not earn a living through ownership of property).
It's fucking simple- we nationalise the commanding heights of the economy/strategic wealth to ensure (among other things) that such important assets are used to maintain a decent living standard for the whole population.
We can't allow our resources to be used to maximise the profits of small minority of businessmen.
Capitalism isn't working- the wealthiest country in the world can't even have the decency to provide free healthcare to it's citizens. While Cuba, which has it's priorities right does this and has eliminated in 50 years about 20-odd diseases.
We leftists are pragmatists, not idealists.
RGacky3
3rd December 2007, 22:17
I think as people get older they get more pracmatic and have less time for activism, most people that are radical and young poeple are still radical at heart older, they just got bills to pay.
Dean
3rd December 2007, 22:38
It only takes 3 paragraphs to show how retarded this shit is:
Leftists tend to have a simplistic view of the world. Thats why most of them are either students, people who simply refuse to grow up, or people who have remained in their own private bubble throughout their lives without any direct experience.
Really? How do you know "most liberals are" in this or that condition? Students, maybe I can buy that as one condition, but the others are unprovable and obviously irrelevant - plus saying "they have a simplistic worldview and that's why they are mostly insulated / refuse to grow up" is amazingly ignorant.
This leads to the old saying by Socrates:
"If you have a heart, you are a Liberal by the time you are 20. If you have a brain, you are a Conservative by the time you are 30."
-Such claims don't lead to the old saying
-The old saying is a completely different concept for any completely different era. For instance, liberalism would be terrible for a communist society.
The reason behind this, is that most people on the left think everything should be fair and that everybody is equal.
As opposed to what? the belief that humans should be treated not based on their HUMANNESS, but what money or power they possess? Get real.
They think there is good in everyone and people are never responsible for their own actions - all blame should be directed to the heterosexual white males in society who are natural oppressors.
I don't care what race, sexuality or gender a person is when I say whether or not someone is oppressive, or should be "blamed."
With such an ignorant intro, I don't expect much more from this fool.
Volderbeek
4th December 2007, 08:40
Originally posted by DamnedUtopia+November 22, 2007 12:48 am--> (DamnedUtopia @ November 22, 2007 12:48 am)It mention the following quote multiple times:
"If you have a heart, you are a Liberal by the time you are 20. If you have a brain, you are a Conservative by the time you are 30."[/b]
Yeah, we really need to get it across to people that he never actually said that. According to Wikiquote, this is where it comes from:
François Guizot
Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head.
Good old François; fucking with everyone's heads.
MT5678
5th December 2007, 23:02
Stupid article. Full of implicit strawmans (or course we know the world as it is is not fair...our view is that people will become fed up with unfairness someday).
I can't comment on leftists being smelly.
And he failes to distinguish between liberals and leftists, goddamnit!
One thing he got right, though: liberals like U.S. Democrats (not leftists like us) do only pretend to care about the state of the world. In reality, they serve the bourgeois, as we all know.
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