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coberst
18th November 2007, 11:12
What they never taught us

“Judge a man by his questions rather than by his answers.” Voltaire (1694-1778)

We learned in school and college that the teacher furnishes the question and the answer that will fit the question. If we want to continue to learn after our schooling is over what must we do?

Bootstrap is defined as: designed to function independently of outside direction—capable of using one internal function or process to control another.

For a 12 to 18 years period from the age of 6 to our mid twenties we have lived constantly in an educational system wherein we seldom if ever learned to function intellectually independent of outside direction.

How is it possible for such an individual to develop the internal processes (bootstrap) that allow him or her to become an independent, critically self-conscious, thinker?

When schooling is over the citizen who wishes to reach beyond naive common sense reality must develop the ability to generate questions. Questions result from a critical self-conscious intellect and depend upon the priorities of that intellect. Formal education has always furnished the learner with a question for consideration. The question asked determines the knowledge achieved and the understanding created.

The self-actuated learner must develop the ability to create questions. We have never before given any thought to questions; but now, if we wish to take a journey of discover, we must learn the most important aspect of any educational process. We must create questions that will guide our travels. After our school daze are over we can no longer depend upon education by coercion to guide us; we have the opportunity to develop self-actualizing self-learning driven by the ‘ecstasy of understanding’.

PigmerikanMao
3rd December 2007, 23:50
The capitalist system smashes any attempts of creating such independent thought, seeing any questioning a vital threat to the system, a breach of security. The system wants to raise worker drones, not educated thinkers they'd need to keep in line.

Rosa Lichtenstein
4th December 2007, 04:07
In that case, I hope you join me in rejecting the confused nonsense one finds in Mao:

http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=70981

Or does 'independent thought' not stretch that far?

lombas
4th December 2007, 08:46
Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 11:49 pm
The capitalist system smashes any attempts of creating such independent thought, seeing any questioning a vital threat to the system, a breach of security. The system wants to raise worker drones, not educated thinkers they'd need to keep in line.
I went to a Jesuit school. They don't teach skepticism there, it's mandatory.

robot lenin
11th February 2008, 23:36
I had a politics teacher at college who told us that everything that is done in education is done to drill children for a life of working. If you think about it, the punishments for not being punctual is training people to get into work on time to maximise productivity. Making you sit through hours of repetative lessons trains you for the boredom of work. The list goes on, and education is diminished to not really learning anything, just learning processes for work.

FireFry
11th February 2008, 23:47
that's precisely true, lenin. They do drill us, but somehow, we'll diversify and professionalise and live like human beings again.

Communal society is not possible under unprofessional labor, however, it is possible under professionalised labor. As each member of society stands something to gain by contributing else than money. Like a lifestyle.

Dimentio
11th February 2008, 23:56
that's precisely true, lenin. They do drill us, but somehow, we'll diversify and professionalise and live like human beings again.

Communal society is not possible under unprofessional labor, however, it is possible under professionalised labor. As each member of society stands something to gain by contributing else than money. Like a lifestyle.

The first thing half-sentient you have written.

erupt
12th February 2008, 00:31
I feel that the ability to question things comes from one's individuality. One may go through school and realize that everything being taught to them isn't necessarily true. The greatest example is history class. How many lies are fed to students in American history classes everyday, concerning everything from the colonial revolution to how every president could be characterized as a war criminal?

My point in saying that is, some people just seem to understand it, and others just think that everything they hear from an authoritarian figure is true and is the absolute only way to achieve or believe something. A great example being religious zealots.

What it all boils down to is 4 seperate ideas...perception, interpretation, opinion, and the ultimate comparitive analogy, "do I like this or do I not?"

bootleg42
12th February 2008, 13:11
The capitalist system smashes any attempts of creating such independent thought, seeing any questioning a vital threat to the system, a breach of security. The system wants to raise worker drones, not educated thinkers they'd need to keep in line.

This is especially true in inner city schools where they actually tell us, "IF you go to college" and "how are you all going to work with that attitude, etc". I noticed that they didn't care if we got the knowledge to get into college, they only cared about getting us ready for work. The proof is simple, out of all the people I know from high school (and I know a ton), I'm the only one who made it to college, the rest are working as school had dictated to them.

erupt
12th February 2008, 13:33
This is especially true in inner city schools where they actually tell us, "IF you go to college" and "how are you all going to work with that attitude, etc". I noticed that they didn't care if we got the knowledge to get into college, they only cared about getting us ready for work. The proof is simple, out of all the people I know from high school (and I know a ton), I'm the only one who made it to college, the rest are working as school had dictated to them.
It's also true in suburban schools, as well. Vocational technical school is implemented to pupils who do not have the higher grade point averages. They are then only given the four major classes; math, science, history, and English. The school also supplys the pupil with a lunch. That student cannot take a foreign language if pleased unless they go to there vocational techincal school at the very end of the school day, and I'm almost positive that many of those schools close before a normal high school day is over.

Bus them in, train there minds for work and how not to think, and now it goes so far as to even start training them for jobs two to three years before the pupil is a legal adult.