I Hate To Say It ...

[Red Terror Doctor]

It looks like the U.S. military "surge" has scared the Islamist and other rebels against the U.S. occupation since the violence is way down. Man, the Vietnamese communist guerrillas would still be at it fighting like crazy.

What do you guys opine???

[Jazzratt]

Religion isn't as strong a motivator for guerilla resistance as psuedo-communist nationalism? If you were to ask me why I would say that it's because the Vietnamese (to continue using your example) were united behind one idea (national liberation) and didn't have the same factionalism that we see in Iraq.

Where in other struggles against imperialism the working class were engaged with and actively involved in the struggle whereas here we see that it is a fight made mainly by reactionary islamist clerics and thus was much more likely to fail.

What confuses me is why communist still take the "enemy of my enemy" line when it would be best to take a "neither Washington nor Baghdad" line.

[RedKnight]

Originally posted by Red Terror [email protected] 17, 2007 05:01 pm
It looks like the U.S. military "surge" has scared the Islamist and other rebels against the U.S. occupation since the violence is way down. Man, the Vietnamese communist guerrillas would still be at it fighting like crazy.

What do you guys opine???
Yay! Political Islam is being defeated. http://www.cartercenter.org/resources/images/peace/mainpic_peace.jpg
Now Ive been happy lately, thinking about the good things to come
And I believe it could be, something good has begun

Oh Ive been smiling lately, dreaming about the world as one
And I believe it could be, some day its going to come

Cause out on the edge of darkness, there rides a peace train
Oh peace train take this country, come take me home again

Now Ive been smiling lately, thinking about the good things to come
And I believe it could be, something good has begun

Oh peace train sounding louder
Glide on the peace train
Come on now peace train
Yes, peace train holy roller

Everyone jump upon the peace train
Come on now peace train

Get your bags together, go bring your good friends too
Cause its getting nearer, it soon will be with you

Now come and join the living, its not so far from you
And its getting nearer, soon it will all be true

Now Ive been crying lately, thinking about the world as it is
Why must we go on hating, why cant we live in bliss

Cause out on the edge of darkness, there rides a peace train
Oh peace train take this country, come take me home again http://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/cat+stevens/p...n_20028199.html (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/cat+stevens/peace+train_20028199.html)

[PRC-UTE]

the surge makes it harder for them to operate, obviously. thing is, I doubt the USA can keep it up forever.

[jacobin1949]

Al Queda;s strategy in Iraq is to intentionally use sectarian violence to keep a constant state of warfare that will eventually wear America down. In 2004 the Shiites and Sunnis were united and actually drove the Ukrainians out of entire cities. But Al Queda has decided that the best tactic is civl war. I though they were deranged for shattering unity. But cynically it seems to have worked.

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by Red Terror [email protected] 17, 2007 05:01 pm
It looks like the U.S. military "surge" has scared the Islamist and other rebels against the U.S. occupation since the violence is way down. Man, the Vietnamese communist guerrillas would still be at it fighting like crazy.

What do you guys opine???
It matters not whether or not they claim violence is "way down." The violence will continue forever until the imperialist occupation stops, or until several million MORE citizens and refugees have left, or until everyone over there is dead. Every civilian shall take up arms and become what the news calls, "insurgents" and then be shot by the soldiers of the occupation. A temporary breathing moment does not mean the end of anything, merely the calm before the storm.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Violence has only been down for two months. If November's trend continues, this month will be deadlier than the last.

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 06:50 pm
Al Queda;s strategy in Iraq is to intentionally use sectarian violence to keep a constant state of warfare that will eventually wear America down.
Al Queda are a tiny sect in Iraq. Al Queda are not a mass movement anywhere in the world, and in no way at all represeent most of the Iraqi resistance. Please dont give into the propganda of imperialism and pretend that most of the Iraqi resistance are islamic fundementalists, nevermind in some way conntected with Al Queda, for this is farcical and has been admitted as such by the top brass of the Brtish military, here for example if a quote from the head of the British army in a Iraq, General Dannet, “…our opponents in the main are Iraqi nationalists, and are most concerned with their own needs – jobs, money, security, hope – and the majority therefore I suggest are not bad people.”

Most in the Iraqi resistance as shown by the admitance of this admission are not fundementalists, they are working class people who want to see imperialist armies out of their country. Lets not forget also the wide spread and effective resistance that has been posed by the Iraqi labour movement. To the extent that oil unions have been banned in light of winning a major stirke in Basra earlier this year.

[Tower of Bebel]

Originally posted by Red Terror [email protected] 17, 2007 07:01 pm
It looks like the U.S. military "surge" has scared the Islamist and other rebels against the U.S. occupation since the violence is way down. Man, the Vietnamese communist guerrillas would still be at it fighting like crazy.

What do you guys opine???
Are you defending one bourgeoisie over another? Yes, I know American imperialism brought hell to the Iraqi people, but political islam is not a friend of the Iraqi workers.

The end of Sadam's terror by another bourgeoisie brought the Iraq what the Palestinians had to endure for more than 50 years: barbarism. Political islam wont bring the solution, no, it could make it even worse if the religious sects would need to.

[Colonello Buendia]

Though this is true, there has been a lot of use of Religion when trying to bring about violence. For instance Mosques were bombed and so on. Though one important faction in Iraq are ex-soldiers from Saddams army, Just trying to get the Invading forces out.

[Raúl Duke]

when it would be best to take a "neither Washington nor Baghdad" line.

QFT , Although I was really getting my hopes up in expecting the US to lose...

[Comrade Nadezhda]

The current military presence in Iraq has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Regardless of Saddam's existence, the existence of Al Qaeda had nothing to do with it.

Whether or not Saddam was bourgeois does not matter the least bit to me, what I think is more important is to look at how the U.S. is attempting to create a presence in the middle east (aside from Iraq) to further the existence of imperialism.

It cannot be said that arguments made in regards to war with Iran, North Korea, etc have no importance in regards to this issue.

It is quite evident that regardless of Iraq itself, the intention is to create a significant global force to further U.S. imperialism. The argument in regards to the war on terror is simply a bullshit excuse for it, to justify war, to justify military presence, just as they are using the nuclear weapons program as an way of justifying a future attack on Iran or North Korea. It cannot be said that there is no common connection here, as the U.S. is obviously trying to expand its imperial presence.

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by PRC-UTE+November 17, 2007 01:38 pm--> (PRC-UTE @ November 17, 2007 01:38 pm) the surge makes it harder for them to operate, obviously. thing is, I doubt the USA can keep it up forever. [/b]
And they won't. When they start withdrawing, attacks against the US military will grow more frequent.

GeneCosta
Violence has only been down for two months. If November's trend continues, this month will be deadlier than the last.
Or maybe they will grow in frequency before the start of withdrawals.

Iraq is probably only going to grow more anti-American in the coming years. Wait until 20 years from now when a generation of orphans and DU babies has grown up.

The only way for the imperialists to stop the rise of such an anti-Imperialist state is to impoverish it (which they've done), and exploit all/most of it's natural resources (which they are in the process of doing).

[Dr Mindbender]

or maybe the guerillas are still there fighting, the fact that you're not hearing about it is the evidence.

[Labor Shall Rule]

That is a lie.

The Iraqi Health Ministry, McClatchy newspapers, and Chatham House have released reports that have reported likewise, stating that violence increases yearly. In response, the high command reported that the statistics were “exaggerated,” and that they did not include car bombs as part of their count of the “murder” toll.

The character of the armed insurgency is not heterogeneous. The liberal fear of “Islamo-fascism” in Iraq is unfounded, considering that under two to four percent of the insurgency is affiliated with Al-Queda. All sectarian violence arised precisely because Pentagon has been pursuing a policy of negotiation with “anti-terrorist” members of the resistance, who have been charged with forming death squads that have been responsible for killing thousands of people from different religious backgrounds.

[BobKKKindle$]

The Iraqi resistance has not received the same degree as support as the Vietnamese struggle because, whereas the latter could be categorized as part of a broad leftist movement across the world, the former is, at least in part, according to liberal commentators, guided by an ideology that bears no direct relation to and has often been in opposition to Socialism.

It is correct to say that, empirically in terms of the actual composition of the resistance, this is incorrect – the resistance is a diverse movement composed on nationalists and, increasingly, socialist organizations. Even if this were not the case, however, it would still be necessary to offer unconditional (although critical) support for the Iraqi resistance movement. Even if, after they had assumed power, a section of the resistance imposed an authoritarian dictatorship on the Iraqi people and prevented the working class form organizing, the defeat of the American forces would signify a blow against the Capitalist system, given that Imperialism is essentially derived from the drive to expand productive forces and prevent a fall in the rate of profit.

As for the original issue of this thread, maybe this recent article will offer some hope - it seems within the occupying forces moral is beginning to break down. Feel free to make this article a separate thread.




Socialist Worker - http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=13447

Soldiers in silent revolt in Iraq

British troops say ‘get us out of here’ and US soldiers’ ‘fake patrols’

British and US troops are turning away from confronting the Iraqi resistance – despite the rhetoric from Gordon Brown

and George Bush that they are “winning” the war.

Revelations from both British and US troops show that morale has plummeted and that soldiers are avoiding all encounters with anti-occupation forces.

A senior British commander told the Sunday Telegraph that since they withdrew from Basra this summer they have not once returned to the city. They patrol around their base at the airport, with the occasional forays to the Iranian border.

He admitted that the military and the resistance have struck a deal not to attack each other. The oil rich southern Iraqi city is now in the hands of rival resistance organisations.

One senior British officer said, “We are tired of firing at people. We would prefer to find a political accommodation.”

Other soldiers said they saw little point in fighting on. One captain admitted, “If we went into the city every night, we would still be doing it in ten years’ time.

“There is nothing the military can do any more without the backing of politicians, and no politician wants to touch Iraq with a barge pole. Having the military out here without political backing is pointless.”

If the British military is “officially” pulling back from the war, US troops are doing so unofficially.

In an echo of the Vietnam War, US troops told independent journalist Dahr Jamail that they run fake patrols and send false reports as part of a strategy of “search and avoid”.

One soldier, who had recently returned from Iraq, admitted, “Morale was incredibly low. Most men in my platoon in Iraq were just in from combat tours in Afghanistan.

“We were hit by so many roadside bombs we became incredibly demoralised, so we decided the only way we wouldn’t be blown up was to avoid driving around all the time.

“So we would go find an open field and park. Then we would call our base every hour to tell them we were searching for weapons caches in the fields and doing weapons patrols and everything was going fine.

“All our enlisted people became very *disenchanted with our chain of command.”

Another soldier said, “We’d go to the end of our patrol route and set up on top of a bridge and use it as an over-watch position. We would just sit with our binoculars and observe rather than sweep. We’d call in radio checks every hour and say we were doing sweeps.”

“It was a common tactic, a lot of people did that. We’d just hang out, listen to music, smoke cigarettes and pretend.”

A third soldier told Jamail, “One of my buddies is in Baghdad right now and we email all the time. He just told me that nearly each day they pull into a parking lot, drink soda, and shoot at the cans.

“They pay Iraqi kids to bring them things and spread the word that they are not doing anything and to please just leave them alone.”

[Revolution Until Victory]

As Ulster said, just coz you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that it is weakened. What is exactly your source?

Here is the resistance actions for Friday:

* Resistance group reports blowing up US Humvee in al-Fallujah killing American troops.

* Heads of three puppet regime troops found near Bayji.

* Three puppet troops killed in double bombing near al-Khalis Friday – one day after Resistance bombing in same area kills one puppet soldier.

* Attackers kill chief of collaborationist tribal organization in al-Hillah.

* Resistance fighters ambush puppet police patrol southwest of Kirkuk.

Resistance Action for Thursday, November 15, 2007:

* Resistance bomb targets puppet police in ar-Rutbah Thursday morning.

* US admits two more American troops killed, nine wounded in attacks on Wednesday.

* Resistance fighters shoot down unmanned American reconnaissance plane near Bayji.

* Casualties reported as Resistance bomb rips through US Humvee near ash-Sharuqat.

* Resistance bomb wounds five puppet army troops southeast of Tuz Khurmatu Thursday.

* US Intelligence camp in al-Hillah targeted by mortar barrage Thursday.

* Powerful bomb wounds puppet police director in Kirkuk.

* Rising Resistance activity in al-Mawsil prompts launch of new “security plan.”

Resistance Action for Wednesday November 14, 2007:

* Resistance mortars blast US base in Rawah Wednesday morning.

* Resistance men ambush collaborator “al-Anbar Awakening Council” puppet police convoy Tuesday night, sparking half-hour firefight.

* Iraqi Resistance group announces destruction of three US military vehicles in two Iraqi Provinces as part of offensive against American occupation.

* Car bomb wounds three puppet policemen in northeastern Baghdad.

* Casualties reported in Iraqi Resistance land mine attack on US, puppet forces in northern Baghdad midday Wednesday.


* Powerful explosion targets US patrol near “Green Zone” in Baghdad Wednesday morning.

* Three more US troops killed in Iraq, US admits Wednesday morning.

* Resistance bomb rips through four-wheel-drive vehicle carrying foreigners near Bayji Wednesday afternoon.


* Resistance bomb wounds US troops in al-Ishaqi midday Wednesday.

* American deaths reported in Naqshabandi Sufi Resistance attacks on US columns in al-Huwayjah Wednesday.

* Resistance bomb targets Deputy Director of puppet police in al-Mawsil.

* Bomb targets military column of occupation troops in al-Basrah.

* Katyusha rocket slams into British base in al-Basrah Tuesday night.


Here is a good place for you to get your information (http://uruknet.info/?p=-6&l=e)



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[Red October]

Regardless of whether or not the insurgency is "weakened", there is still a hell of a lot of violence happening, as Revolution Until Victory pointed out and sourced. And now that the surge is coming to a close, it will be seen if the violence increases again. As of this point, America is still fucked and it doesn't look like that will change.

[Raúl Duke]

Soldiers in silent revolt in Iraq

British troops say ‘get us out of here’ and US soldiers’ ‘fake patrols’

British and US troops are turning away from confronting the Iraqi resistance – despite the rhetoric from Gordon Brown

and George Bush that they are “winning” the war.

Revelations from both British and US troops show that morale has plummeted and that soldiers are avoiding all encounters with anti-occupation forces.

A senior British commander told the Sunday Telegraph that since they withdrew from Basra this summer they have not once returned to the city. They patrol around their base at the airport, with the occasional forays to the Iranian border.

He admitted that the military and the resistance have struck a deal not to attack each other. The oil rich southern Iraqi city is now in the hands of rival resistance organisations.

One senior British officer said, “We are tired of firing at people. We would prefer to find a political accommodation.”

Other soldiers said they saw little point in fighting on. One captain admitted, “If we went into the city every night, we would still be doing it in ten years’ time.

“There is nothing the military can do any more without the backing of politicians, and no politician wants to touch Iraq with a barge pole. Having the military out here without political backing is pointless.”

If the British military is “officially” pulling back from the war, US troops are doing so unofficially.

In an echo of the Vietnam War, US troops told independent journalist Dahr Jamail that they run fake patrols and send false reports as part of a strategy of “search and avoid”.

One soldier, who had recently returned from Iraq, admitted, “Morale was incredibly low. Most men in my platoon in Iraq were just in from combat tours in Afghanistan.

“We were hit by so many roadside bombs we became incredibly demoralised, so we decided the only way we wouldn’t be blown up was to avoid driving around all the time.

“So we would go find an open field and park. Then we would call our base every hour to tell them we were searching for weapons caches in the fields and doing weapons patrols and everything was going fine.

“All our enlisted people became very *disenchanted with our chain of command.”

Another soldier said, “We’d go to the end of our patrol route and set up on top of a bridge and use it as an over-watch position. We would just sit with our binoculars and observe rather than sweep. We’d call in radio checks every hour and say we were doing sweeps.”

“It was a common tactic, a lot of people did that. We’d just hang out, listen to music, smoke cigarettes and pretend.”

A third soldier told Jamail, “One of my buddies is in Baghdad right now and we email all the time. He just told me that nearly each day they pull into a parking lot, drink soda, and shoot at the cans.

“They pay Iraqi kids to bring them things and spread the word that they are not doing anything and to please just leave them alone.”

I actually had a theory that this is what exactly was happening (the troops would avoid the enemy, etc) and that basically even if they increase the troop levels they would return to do this exact thing; thus, nothing was probably going to be accomplished and basically the war/occupation is probably doomed. Now there's 1 source that backs me up!


As of this point, America is still fucked and it doesn't look like that will change.

And I hope the American war machine stays fucked.

[50cal_words]

America will not be able to keep up a noteworthy level of military prescence in a while. We are using up too many soldiers for useless operations. Also, the iraqis dont care how old their recruits are, anyone who can hold a bomb, holds a bomb, whereas we still have to keep our soldiers between 18 and 30(i think). At this point, we arent going to withdraw from iraq, we're going to stay there untill the last soldier gets bombed.

[synthesis]

It is not an "insurgency," it is an outright civil war. That is what we are not being exposed to in the United States.

Back in the mid-90's, Dick Cheney told a television reporter that in 1991 it would have been unthinkable to depose Saddam Hussein, as his government was the only barrier between "order" and civil war in a country that was an artificial post-WWI creation which encompassed many different factions with opposing interests.

Looks like he was right.


edit: The full quote...

Q: Do you think the U.S., or U.N. forces, should have moved into Baghdad?

CHENEY: No.

Q: Why not?

CHENEY: Because if we'd gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn't have been anybody else with us. There would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq. Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off -- part of it the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of eastern Iraq the Iranians would like to claim, fought over it for eight years. In the north you've got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey. It's a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq.

The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families, it wasn't a cheap war. And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth? Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right.

[Ismail]

Lets face it, the chance of a Socialist state emerging out of this is very low. The best we can hope for is the most anti-imperialist side of the resistance to emerge and lead the nation so long as they aren't treating their own people in absolutely barbaric ways (by "barbaric" I mean Khmer Rouge-esque) which, if they did, wouldn't be tolerated long and that government would quickly be overthrown by its own people.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 09:16 am
Lets face it, the chance of a Socialist state emerging out of this is very low. The best we can hope for is the most anti-imperialist side of the resistance to emerge and lead the nation so long as they aren't treating their own people in absolutely barbaric ways (by "barbaric" I mean Khmer Rouge-esque) which, if they did, wouldn't be tolerated long and that government would quickly be overthrown by its own people.
Something like this, although you give them way too much leeway with your definition of barbarism. I'd argue that one can be very very barbaric without having to kill a couple of million people.

[The Douche]

I'm sorry that I haven't read through the whole thread I'm on the way out right now.

Yes by the numbers the insurgency may have slowed down for the past couple months, but its done that before. And I'll tell you that on the streets its still violent as shit over there. I'm currently in Iraq (home on leave at the moment), my base gets hits plenty. I see tons of new prisoners come in every week. And we release people every week, and plenty of those people intend to continue fighting.

[manic expression]

There's far more to the story than this. The insurgents control every facet of the fighting. Therefore, they can choose when, where and how to strike. If there are more imperialist troops present at a given time, they can choose to wait until more favorable conditions arise. At this point, most insurgents are probably content to bide time until the "surge" is over and simply continue the fight on their terms.

This is what has happened throughout the occupation: the insurgents lay low for awhile to regain strength and initiative before again striking when and where they want to.

Furthermore, at this point, many insurgent groups are USING imperialist forces and resources for their own ends. The US has provided support to anti-al Qaida groups, many of whom will promptly turn around and use that same experience and material and breathing space to fight the imperialists.

(By the way, thanks cmoney for that analysis. Good luck to you, hope you stay safe.)

[Pawn Power]

what do ya'll think of this article;

The More Things Appear to Change, the More They Don't (http://www.counterpunch.org/jacobs11272007.html)

The Myths of Military Progress


Making occupation and calling it peace. Killing fewer and calling it progress. Rotating troops and calling it a withdrawal. Setting up new death squads and calling them allies. Lowering standards and calling it opening new opportunities.

All of the above phenomena seem to be part of the current campaign by Washington in Iraq. There are fewer GI deaths in the country now because they don't leave the bases. Why? Because their latest allies-tribesmen paid in cold cash to kill for DC-are doing the killing and taking the hits. Indeed, some of the most fatal of those hits come from US air strikes that "mistakenly" bomb the men involved in killing the US bogeyman Al Queda in Mesopotamia, which may or may not be a phantom reality. Meanwhile, these tribesmen learn US military methods and locations while stockpiling US-supplied weaponry for some future war on their Shi'a opposites or perhaps even the same US forces they currently align themselves with.

[Red Terror Doctor]

It is an excellent article . Thank you for the brain food.

[marxist_god]

Originally posted by Red Terror [email protected] 17, 2007 05:00 pm
It looks like the U.S. military "surge" has scared the Islamist and other rebels against the U.S. occupation since the violence is way down. Man, the Vietnamese communist guerrillas would still be at it fighting like crazy.

What do you guys opine???

It is not fading, go to www.uruknet.de

marxist_god

[marxist_god]

Originally posted by bolshevik butcher+November 17, 2007 07:49 pm--> (bolshevik butcher @ November 17, 2007 07:49 pm)
[email protected] 17, 2007 06:50 pm
Al Queda;s strategy in Iraq is to intentionally use sectarian violence to keep a constant state of warfare that will eventually wear America down.
Al Queda are a tiny sect in Iraq. Al Queda are not a mass movement anywhere in the world, and in no way at all represeent most of the Iraqi resistance. Please dont give into the propganda of imperialism and pretend that most of the Iraqi resistance are islamic fundementalists, nevermind in some way conntected with Al Queda, for this is farcical and has been admitted as such by the top brass of the Brtish military, here for example if a quote from the head of the British army in a Iraq, General Dannet, “…our opponents in the main are Iraqi nationalists, and are most concerned with their own needs – jobs, money, security, hope – and the majority therefore I suggest are not bad people.”

Most in the Iraqi resistance as shown by the admitance of this admission are not fundementalists, they are working class people who want to see imperialist armies out of their country. Lets not forget also the wide spread and effective resistance that has been posed by the Iraqi labour movement. To the extent that oil unions have been banned in light of winning a major stirke in Basra earlier this year. [/b]

Al Qaeda is fake:

Fake Al Qaeda

"Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet". A very common and widespread use of the word "Al-Qaeda" in different Arab countries in the public language is for the toilet bowl. This name comes from the Arabic verb "Qa'ada" which mean "to sit", pertinently, on the "Toilet Bowl". In most Arabs homes there are two kinds of toilets: "Al-Qaeda" also called the "Hamam Franji" or foreign toilet, and "Hamam Arabi" or "Arab toilet" which is a hole in the ground. Lest we forget it, the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda".
So, if you were forming a terrorist group, would you call yourself, "The Toilet"?



The Phony (Mossad) Al Qaeda Cell in Palestine

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon ... said that al-Qaeda militants were operating in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon. "We know that they are there. We know that they are in Lebanon, working closely with Hezbollah. We know that they are in the region," he said. [BBC News - 12/5/2002]

Officials from the Palestinian Authority have accused the Israeli spy agency Mossad of setting up a fake al-Qaeda terrorist cell in Gaza. Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat said that Israel had set up the mock cell in order to justify attacks in Palestinian areas. [BBC News - 12/8/2002]


Mossad agents arrested by the PA for attempting to set up phony 'al Qaeda' cells in the Gaza Strip.

The full story:

larouchepub.com - Mossad Exposed in Phony 'Palestinian Al-Qaeda' Caper

antiwar.com - By Way of Deception, by Justin Raimondo

khilafah.com - PA uncovers Israelis posing as Al-Qaeda

smh.com.au - Palestinians arrest al-Qaeda 'poseurs'

Ha'Aretz - Ibrahim, the Shin Bet wants you to join Qaida!

Of the MOSSAD, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." [Washington Times - 9/10/2001]




Adam Yahiye Gadahn: The Fake Terrorist



Images from official FBI wanted poster for terrorist Adam Yahiye Gadahn

The FBI lists Gadahn's aliases as Abu Suhayb Al-Amriki, Abu Suhayb, Yihya Majadin Adams, Adam Pearlman, and Yayah.

But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name! Adam is the grandson of the late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County. Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in 1993, much as AIPAC has been caught up in the more recent spy scandal.


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Sent in by a reader: I recently saw the article you linked about Adam Pearlman and his brand new feature film in which he plays the character Azzam Al-Amrika. As someone who speaks Arabic, I thought it would be interesting for WRH readers to know a little bit about this particular name. First, Azzam in Arabic means either "determined" or "resolved". Second, "Al-Amrika" (it's sometimes spelled "Amerika") translates back to "America". Interesting use of words Mr. Pearlman is using for a name, I'd say. But even without having to translate the whole name, no Arab has the last name of Amrika. The name, translated, almost sounds like a Bush soundbite.


Al-Qaeda cleric exposed as an MI5 double agent

ONE of al-Qaeda's most dangerous figures has been revealed as a double agent working for MI5, raising criticism from European governments, which repeatedly called for his arrest.
Britain ignored warnings - which began before the September 11 attacks - from half a dozen friendly governments about Abu Qatada's links with terrorist groups and refused to arrest him. Intelligence chiefs hid from European allies their intention to use the cleric as a key informer against Islamic militants in Britain.

...

Indignant French officials accused MI5 of helping the cleric to abscond. While he remained on the run, one intelligence chief in Paris was quoted as saying: "British intelligence is saying they have no idea where he is, but we know where he is and, if we know, I'm quite sure they do."

Almost a year later Abu Qatada was found hiding in a flat not far from Scotland Yard. [Times]



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From a reader:
So,

1. We have MI5 (British CIA) posing as Alqueda.
"Al-Qaeda cleric exposed as an MI5 double agent", http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly...1050175,00.html (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-1050175,00.html)

2. We have Mossad (Israel CIA) posing as ALqueda in Palestine: fakealqaeda.html
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2949idf_qaeda.html
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j120902.html
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/palestinia...eda_poseurs.htm (http://www.propagandamatrix.com/palestinians_arrest_al_qaeda_poseurs.htm)
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/Sh...D=2&subContrass (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=241042&contrassID=2&subContrass)
ID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=241042
terrorist.html

3. We have USA posing as Alqueda:
fakealqaeda.html

The FBI lists Gadahn's aliases as Abu Suhayb Al-Amriki, Abu Suhayb, Yihya Majadin Adams, Adam Pearlman, and Yayah. But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name! Adam is the grandson of the late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County. Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in 1993, much as AIPAC has been caught up in the more recent spy scandal.

3. We have israel posing as alqueda in the phillipines.
qaeda_philippines.html
http://www.mb.com.ph/PROV2004061411759.html

4. British SAS posing as Iraqi Insurgants:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/424614.stm

The two British operatives, arrested by Basra police and later freed by a British military operation, were identified by the BBC as "members of the SAS elite special forces" (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/424614.stm). They were disguised by wigs and Arab dress. Iraqi sources reported that the Iraqi police were watching the two, and when they tried to approach them they shot two policemen and tried to escape the scene. The Iraqi police chased and captured them, to discover large amount of explosives planted in the car, which apparently was planned to be remotely detonated in the busy market of Basra. The SAS involvement in Iraq was discovered on the 30th of January 2005 when an RAF Hercules plane crashed near Baghdad killing then British servicemen after dropping off fifty SAS members north of Baghdad to fight Iraqi guerillas.

ARE YOU FUCKIN SURE YOU ARE WATCHING THE RIGHT ENEMY !!!!!!!

CIA + Mossad + MI5 = AlQueada