Avatars: socialists, anarchists, and progressive

[Schrödinger's Cat]

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Hugo Chavez, president of Venezuela and social reformer.
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China Mieville, Leftist fantasy author.
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Eugene Debs, labor leader and socialist presidential candidate.
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Mahatma Gandhi, socialist reformer and anti-imperialist.
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Martin Luther King Jr., socialist reformer
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Dennis Kucinich, presidential candidate and peace activist
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Karl Marx, socialist theorist and labor leader
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Eugene McGovern, presidential candidate and social reformer
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Asmaa Abdol-Hamid, Danish social reformer and Muslim feminist
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Bernie Sanders, socialist United States senator
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Kurt Konnegut, Leftist American author

[Forward Union]

Gandhi was a fucking Racist, pacifist piece of shit who condemned proper struggle against British rule. If he wasn't dead I'd fucking assasinate him myself.
Anyway here are some that will be added to the base gallery at some point.

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Makhno. Anarchist Leader, fought against the red army and white army during the Russian revolution. And liberated Ukraine from the austro-hungarians.

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Durruti Anarchist millitary leader in the Spainish Civil war.

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Painting of Anarchist soldiers fighting in the Spainish Revolution

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Same as above.

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Libertarian Communist Flag.

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Class War logo

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Gerrard Winstanley. English Communist, Member of the True Levellers in the English Revolution.

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Shameless Libcom plug

[Lenin II]

Where are Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Guevera, Castro, Engels, Mao, etc.?

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by Lenin [email protected] 17, 2007 11:36 am
Where are Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Guevera, Castro, Engels, Mao, etc.?
Dead, and in a grave where they should be.

[Dr Mindbender]

this is a good idea for a stickied thread. There should be a permanent database of leftist avatars on this board.

[Dr Mindbender]

some more-

Lenin
http://www.hot.ee/alessandro/Lenin.gif
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/images/avatars/men1/lenin.jpg
Order of Lenin
http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/images/pioneer.jpg
Trotsky
http://jenkinsonline.net/images/avatars/uploads/avatar_488.jpg
Rosa Luxembourg
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Che Guevara
http://www.nodo50.org/ccoounedmadrid/images/che_small.gif
Frederich Engels, co-author of communist manifesto
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James Connolly IRSM founder
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Bobby Sands IRSM martyr
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Starry plough
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Palestine flag
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http://www.multimediapalace.com/fl/flags-02/p/ps-flag1-ss.gif

[Dr Mindbender]

Cuba Flag
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USSR flag
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[Schrödinger's Cat]

Gandhi was a fucking Racist, pacifist piece of shit who condemned proper struggle against British rule. If he wasn't dead I'd fucking assasinate him myself.

Che and Lenin were lovely alternatives, weren't they?

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 10:55 pm

Gandhi was a fucking Racist, pacifist piece of shit who condemned proper struggle against British rule. If he wasn't dead I'd fucking assasinate him myself.

Che and Lenin were lovely alternatives, weren't they?
yes.

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Originally posted by Organic Revolution+November 17, 2007 03:23 pm--> (Organic Revolution @ November 17, 2007 03:23 pm)
Originally posted by Lenin [email protected] 17, 2007 11:36 am
Where are Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Guevera, Castro, Engels, Mao, etc.?
Dead, and in a grave where they should be.[/b]
What the fuck? :huh:


GeneCosta
Che and Lenin were lovely alternatives, weren't they?
Yes, it's rather easy for counterrevolutionaries to blame revolutionaries for forming movements against the bourgeois state apparatus, isn't it? :huh: especially when the reason for opposing the use of violent force by revolutionary movements is that it "represses" bourgeois reactionary movement. Ultimately, it seems the only relevant explanation for opposing violence would be one of two reactionary claims.

Now for the worst bourgeois reactionary claims I have ever heard:

"The dictatorship of the proletariat represses individual freedom."

Individual freedom? :huh: I suppose you are refering to the freedom which is exclusive to the bourgeois ruling class in capitalist society, you know, because proletarians can't enjoy the benefits of "rights" to private property as they don't own any. The only "freedom" is the freedom the bourgeois ruling class has to exploit the proletariat.

or

"Lenin was a mass murderer."

So, what would you do then? Say there are counterrevolutionaries murdering members of the revolutionary movement, do you just stand there and watch? :huh: What would you do, i.e. in the time of civil war? Surrender to the bourgeois reactionaries? Why support revolutionary movement in the first place if you're just going to sit back and watch your fellow comrades die :wacko:

or

"Che killed hundreds of people."

No one ever said revolution wasn't violent. There will be bloodshed, that can't be avoided. The point is, however, it is necessary. No one ever said it was an ideal situation, but what situation is ideal? A situation where bourgeois reactionaries kill as many revolutionaries as they want but where opposition is never formed against it? :ph34r: Well, if I was ever in such a position, I would argue that for every revolutionary that is killed, five times as many counterrevolutionaries should be eliminated. It is necessary to eliminate existent threats to the revolutionary movement.

and

"Violent revolution is repressive."

And what? The bourgeois state isn't? So revolutionaries shouldn't eliminate threats to their movement? Ultimately, the elimination of threats is not only in the interests of the vanguard. You can't expect the bourgeoisie to just sit on their asses while their state is overthrown. They're going to form oppositional movement against it. It will get violent, that in itself cannot be avoided.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Comrade Nadezhda+November 17, 2007 11:48 pm--> (Comrade Nadezhda @ November 17, 2007 11:48 pm)
Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 17, 2007 03:23 pm

Lenin [email protected] 17, 2007 11:36 am
Where are Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Guevera, Castro, Engels, Mao, etc.?
Dead, and in a grave where they should be.
What the fuck? :huh:

[/b]
yep typical sectarian anarchist talk. <_<

[Comrade Nadezhda]

It&#39;s the same bullshit remark that most "revolutionaries" make when they are opposed to centralized organization (i.e. a vanguard), and it is usually because they see all authority as threatening, regardless of its purpose and if it would ultimately benefit revolutionary movement

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 18, 2007 12:03 am
It&#39;s the same bullshit remark that most "revolutionaries" make when they are opposed to centralized organization (i.e. a vanguard), and it is usually because they see all authority as threatening, regardless of its purpose and if it would ultimately benefit revolutionary movement
i find that this brand of sectarianism is most common among anarchists.

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+November 17, 2007 07:07 pm--> (Ulster Socialist &#064; November 17, 2007 07:07 pm)
Comrade [email protected] 18, 2007 12:03 am
It&#39;s the same bullshit remark that most "revolutionaries" make when they are opposed to centralized organization (i.e. a vanguard), and it is usually because they see all authority as threatening, regardless of its purpose and if it would ultimately benefit revolutionary movement
i find that this brand of sectarianism is most common among anarchists.[/b]
for the mostpart, yes, but some who consider themselves to be "marxist" make "lets bury lenin" arguments to "throw out" Lenin and "revive" Marx.

[Marsella]

Originally posted by Comrade Nadezhda+November 18, 2007 11:56 am--> (Comrade Nadezhda &#064; November 18, 2007 11:56 am)
Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 17, 2007 07:07 pm

Comrade [email protected] 18, 2007 12:03 am
It&#39;s the same bullshit remark that most "revolutionaries" make when they are opposed to centralized organization (i.e. a vanguard), and it is usually because they see all authority as threatening, regardless of its purpose and if it would ultimately benefit revolutionary movement
i find that this brand of sectarianism is most common among anarchists.
for the mostpart, yes, but some who consider themselves to be "marxist" make "lets bury lenin" arguments to "throw out" Lenin and "revive" Marx. [/b]
Boo-fucking Hoo.

Honestly, one person makes one &#39;off&#39; remark and you write a whole rant. If you are frustrated in the repeated attacks on your &#39;arguments&#39; post in a political section.

Get some perspective.

And US stop generalising when trying to denounce sectarianism. It doesn&#39;t help your argument.

edit by Kevis: removed the image macro, it detracted from the thread... this isn&#39;t chit chat

[dty06]

Vonnegut was an extremely under-rated, under-appreciated author, and his novels seem to be more realistic than non-fiction books anymore, which says a lot considering he wrote sci-fi and fantasy books. Damn shame he died, especially the way he did. Never got a chance to meet him.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 02:37 am


Honestly, one person makes one &#39;off&#39; remark and you write a whole rant. If you are frustrated in the repeated attacks on your &#39;arguments&#39; post in a political section.

Get some perspective.

And US stop generalising when trying to denounce sectarianism. It doesn&#39;t help your argument.
what doesnt help is the link in your signature.

[counterblast]

Originally posted by Organic Revolution+November 17, 2007 09:22 pm--> (Organic Revolution @ November 17, 2007 09:22 pm)
Lenin [email protected] 17, 2007 11:36 am
Where are Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Guevera, Castro, Engels, Mao, etc.?
Dead, and in a grave where they should be. [/b]
I got a good laugh out of that.

[counterblast]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 18, 2007 12:02 am
It&#39;s the same bullshit remark that most "revolutionaries" make when they are opposed to centralized organization (i.e. a vanguard), and it is usually because they see all authority as threatening, regardless of its purpose and if it would ultimately benefit revolutionary movement
Revolutionary leaders have always benefitted the majority in a revolutionary movement. But the minority remains powerless and voiceless and are subsequently denied any platform of opposition or objection.

Past examples of communism have still implemented the capitalist concept of "majority rule". (Just look at the anarchists, post-Marxists, and syndicalists in post-revolutionary Russia)

Western society has ultimately abolished traditional minority rule... in favor of majority rule in one form or another. When creating a fair communist society; we should take the next logical step and work towards individual and communal rule, otherwise we&#39;re simply creating a world that is economically fair, but not socially and expressively fair.

[TC]

Originally posted by counterblast+November 25, 2007 08:20 pm--> (counterblast @ November 25, 2007 08:20 pm)
Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 17, 2007 09:22 pm

Lenin [email protected] 17, 2007 11:36 am
Where are Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Guevera, Castro, Engels, Mao, etc.?
Dead, and in a grave where they should be.
I got a good laugh out of that. [/b]
If you&#39;re gonna make anti-communist, reactionary right-wing pig jokes, at least make them make some degree of sense: Castro is alive and Lenin and Mao, while dead, are not in graves.

[bolshevik butcher]

Bobby Sands wasn&#39;t a mmember of IRSM, he was in the provos and Sinn Feinn i thought? Although he was a socialist and certianly not a sanctioner of the right wing sell outs that run the organisation.

[Lenin II]

How about a little less sectarianism and a little more avatars on this thread? The first ones were awesome.

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+November 17, 2007 10:40 pm--> (Ulster Socialist &#064; November 17, 2007 10:40 pm)
[email protected] 18, 2007 02:37 am


Honestly, one person makes one &#39;off&#39; remark and you write a whole rant. If you are frustrated in the repeated attacks on your &#39;arguments&#39; post in a political section.

Get some perspective.

And US stop generalising when trying to denounce sectarianism. It doesn&#39;t help your argument.
what doesnt help is the link in your signature.[/b]
yeah exactly. i could care less about Martov&#39;s "perspective" it isn&#39;t whether or not i find it offensive, it&#39;s that Martov&#39;s "arguments" and responses to leninism/central planning/the vanguard/russian civil war/etc it&#39;s simply "lets bury lenin" or some shit justifying assassination attempts on his life, etc. i don&#39;t give a fuck- but i would much rather here a decent argument consisting of something more than mere shit-throwing in regards to revolutionaries. there is much more to be said, and much greater to be remarked on instead of useless words and shit-throwing.

[Knight of Cydonia]

<---- mine is better :P

[counterblast]

Originally posted by TragicClown+November 25, 2007 09:13 pm--> (TragicClown &#064; November 25, 2007 09:13 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 08:20 pm

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 17, 2007 09:22 pm

Lenin [email protected] 17, 2007 11:36 am
Where are Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Guevera, Castro, Engels, Mao, etc.?
Dead, and in a grave where they should be.
I got a good laugh out of that.
If you&#39;re gonna make anti-communist, reactionary right-wing pig jokes, at least make them make some degree of sense: Castro is alive and Lenin and Mao, while dead, are not in graves. [/b]
These days Castro is about as alive as Terri Schiavo was circa 2005.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 04:52 pm
<---- mine is better :P
Something that has confused me for a while Maya... why do you link to a Marxist (Leninist?) org in your sig if you&#39;re an anarchist of some description?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Originally posted by bleeding gums malatesta+November 26, 2007 03:00 pm--> (bleeding gums malatesta @ November 26, 2007 03:00 pm)
[email protected] 26, 2007 04:52 pm
<---- mine is better :P
Something that has confused me for a while Maya... why do you link to a Marxist (Leninist?) org in your sig if you&#39;re an anarchist of some description? [/b]
because i don&#39;t have any Anarchist link in Indonesia :blush:

ok...i&#39;ll get rid of it :P

[Marsella]

Originally posted by Maya+November 26, 2007 06:47 pm--> (Maya @ November 26, 2007 06:47 pm)
Originally posted by bleeding gums [email protected] 26, 2007 03:00 pm

[email protected] 26, 2007 04:52 pm
<---- mine is better :P
Something that has confused me for a while Maya... why do you link to a Marxist (Leninist?) org in your sig if you&#39;re an anarchist of some description?
because i don&#39;t have any Anarchist link in Indonesia :blush:

ok...i&#39;ll get rid of it :P [/b]
Yay&#33; :lol:


<---- mine is better tongue.gif

I think everyone agrees that mine is the best. Sorry&#33; :P

[TC]

Originally posted by counterblast+November 26, 2007 07:36 am--> (counterblast @ November 26, 2007 07:36 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 09:13 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 08:20 pm

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 17, 2007 09:22 pm

Lenin [email protected] 17, 2007 11:36 am
Where are Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Guevera, Castro, Engels, Mao, etc.?
Dead, and in a grave where they should be.
I got a good laugh out of that.
If you&#39;re gonna make anti-communist, reactionary right-wing pig jokes, at least make them make some degree of sense: Castro is alive and Lenin and Mao, while dead, are not in graves.
These days Castro is about as alive as Terri Schiavo was circa 2005. [/b]
I guess you could think that if you&#39;re a right-to-lifer.

[lvleph]

Back to avatars.

My lame addition just to get back on topic.

[IMG]http://forums.civfanatics.com/image.php?u=114629&dateline=1185513403
[IMG]http://www.indianguitartabs.com/image.php?u=4217&dateline=1119463423
[IMG]http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/image.php?u=8039&dateline=1109442954

For some reason it won&#39;t let me use image tags so I left out /img to screw it up.

EDIT: I guess because I was linking to PHP instead of a jpg or gif.

[autrefois]

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+November 17, 2007 11:18 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ November 17, 2007 11:18 pm)
[email protected] 17, 2007 10:55 pm

Gandhi was a fucking Racist, pacifist piece of shit who condemned proper struggle against British rule. If he wasn&#39;t dead I&#39;d fucking assasinate him myself.

Che and Lenin were lovely alternatives, weren&#39;t they?
yes. [/b]
Getting the job done without violence beats the shit outta getting the job done with violence.

[Faux Real]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26, 2007 06:56 am
EDIT: I guess because I was linking to PHP instead of a jpg or gif.
Noo, you&#39;re just not filling in the [/img] tag at the end of each. That will fix it&#33; :)

[eXacto]

<------ My new one : Noam Chomsky

[lvleph]

Originally posted by rev0lt+November 27, 2007 04:09 am--> (rev0lt @ November 27, 2007 04:09 am)
[email protected] 26, 2007 06:56 am
EDIT: I guess because I was linking to PHP instead of a jpg or gif.
Noo, you&#39;re just not filling in the [/img] tag at the end of each. That will fix it&#33; :) [/b]
And from that same post.

For some reason it won&#39;t let me use image tags so I left out /img to screw it up.

[Lenin II]

A few notes: first, I am afriad you misspelled Vonnegut in the first post.

Second, a few of the latest avatars are no longer working.

And lastly, where is Enver Hoxha in all this?

[INDK]

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/15/redblackoj7.gif
Libertarian Communist Flag.


Isn't that the Anarcho-Syndicalist flag?

[Black Dagger]

It's both.

[INDK]

Aight

[Nakidana]

Asmaa Abdol-Hamid, Danish social reformer and Muslim feminist


Funny you mention her, didn't know she was that well known outside of Denmark. There's a nice slideshow of her campaign during the Danish elections 2007 here: www.fotomule.com/portfolio.php?ID_usr=184&ID_serie=413 (http://www.fotomule.com/portfolio.php?ID_usr=184&ID_serie=413)

She was running for the Red-Green Alliance and was met with a lot of resistance from all across the political spectrum, far right to center-left, because of her veil. At one time she stated that the people of Iraq had a right to resist occupation. This had in fact been the stance of the Red-Green Alliance for a long time, but when she said it it was suddenly blown up in the media as a sensational (and traitorous) act. But hey who cares, Islamophobia doesn't exist, right? :D

Rabid atheists inside the Red-Green Alliance even campaigned against her during the elections and tried to turn the party into a solely atheist party. (i.e. no religious people allowed membership)


Where are Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Guevera, Castro, Engels, Mao, etc.?

Here you go:

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/8008/fidelao2.png
Fidel Castro

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9/engelshe1.png
Friedrich Engels

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4742/stalinsi2.png
Joseph Stalin

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1129/mao1zk7.png http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3513/mao2pw4.png
Mao Zedong
(I liked the study one :p)

btw FFS what's with the 25 post limitation it's driving me insane. :confused:

[proleterian fist]

These are really stunning avatars thank you very much for publishing them.

[RedAnarchist]

Second, a few of the latest avatars are no longer working.


A lot of the images that were posted pre-board conversion aren't working anymore. They need to be re-posted to be seen.