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RedAnarchist
28th June 2007, 16:48
Anyone else seen this movie? You can see it at http://zeitgeistmovie.com/.

I'm wondering what opinions people have of it?

edit - apparently, it does get a bit conspiracy theory wacko-ist.

Karl Marx's Camel
2nd July 2007, 23:23
Click to watch (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&hl=en)

I think the interesting part starts about 10 minutes in.


Thoughts?

Karl Marx's Camel
3rd July 2007, 20:32
Some of these claims are quite interesting I think.

Is Jesus and the history of him based on the zodiac?

And the 7/7 claim I found equally interesting... Is it really true that it was held an exercise that included the subways being bombed at the same time as they actually exploded, as this documentary claim?

Boriznov
4th July 2007, 19:33
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5216975979627863972

a video talking and showing stuff about how religion really began.
Opinions please.

jasmine
5th July 2007, 20:30
It's an interesting video but nothing new. The Gnostics have argued for thousands of years that the Christ story was symbolic. The similarities between the story of Christ and many other symbolic stories are well-known.

The problem here is that science believes that describing a phenomena also explains it.

Janus
6th July 2007, 00:44
Merged.

Moved to Events & Propaganda.

midnight marauder
15th July 2007, 14:38
I just finished watching a movie called Zeitgeist this morning. Even though it's a standard "conspiracy video", to be honest I found myself being unable to look away.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has seen this movie, and I especially was interested in hearing some responses or reactions to the views presented in the film. Apperantly it's making its rounds across the internet and I was hoping some of you might have already seen it...

Here's the link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331

I thought the movie was about christianity when I started watching it without knowing much about it (I got it from a chirstian apostate who abandonned his faith after watching it), but that's only the first part of it, and a very minor part in the framework of the story. Afterwards, it goes on to link several major events and ideas together, such as 9/11, the Federal Reserve, the education system, RFID chips, the American Union, the 1907 banking panic, etc., to convey the idea that the ruling class and international bankers use things such as the War on Terrorism and every other war throughout the last century to reap large profits.

I thought it was interesting, and I'm sure some of you will too...

Any thoughts?

Sickle of Justice
15th July 2007, 19:56
This a interesting film. it's a really paranoid conspiracy movie, i guess. i don't know whether any of it's claims are true, and i'm trying some research as of now...

anyway, true or false, it's really well done.

you can find it here.

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=zeitg...fficial+release (http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=zeitgeist+official+release)

it's quite long, sooo... yeah.

thescarface1989
18th July 2007, 08:34
I just got through watching it, and was about to make a thread about it.
I pretty much knew everything in the movie except the "Religion" part, but I am an atheist already and the 911 part. I thought the 911 part was very interesting, I never really cared before for the conspiracy of 911. But it does make ALOT of sense.

Here are two other very good documentaries about this

This one is by Aaron Russo whose voice was in Zeitgeist.

http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid=-1656880303867390173]America (http://anonym.to/?



This one Talks about the media being owned by the corporations and how everything is filtered.

http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid=1925114769515892401%26q=orwel+ro lls+grave]Orwell (http://anonym.to/?[url) Rolls in His Grave

Also if you do the search for Zeitgeist on google ("Zeitgeist - The Movie") and scroll down to about half the page it will show the Wikipedia page with the short description "Zeitgeist The Movie is a film by Peter J. exploring the relationship between Christianity, the September 11, 2001 attacks and the Federal Reserve Bank...."
And of course the rest is cut off, but when you click on the link it take you to this, it instead shows this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist_the_Movie
The page has been deleted?

Here is a picture of the google search,

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j223/the...9/zeitgeist.jpg (http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j223/thescarface1989/zeitgeist.jpg)

thescarface1989
18th July 2007, 09:18
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...geist_the_Movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Zeitgeist_the_Movie)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wisepigl..._American_Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wisepiglet/North_American_Union)

Janus
19th July 2007, 03:48
Merged.

Le Libérer
3rd September 2007, 23:50
I just watched it at the request of my son.

I knew about the religious mythology of the Christ/Hero. So that wasnt anything new, and the one world order is something I was preached at about as a child in Fundalmental Baptist Church, how it would usher in the end times, and thats something the movie addressed.

Alot of it is very conspiritory. What I walked away with was this. If any part of this movie is true, just one part of it, theres only one thing that will stop it. Revolution. People will have to put down the video games, their possessions and pick arms against the powers that be. Its the only thing that will stop it.

I'm convinced that will never happen. And I was convinced of it before I ever saw the movie.

Danzig
17th November 2007, 05:02
I saw this movie today, but I'm posting it here because I lack the knowledge of where to post it. Sorry.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

Ander
17th November 2007, 07:03
Don't worry, this is the appropriate forum. :)

Led Zeppelin
17th November 2007, 07:29
I moved it here from Chit-Chat. :P

rocker935
17th November 2007, 16:18
I love this movie, i'm surprised that it hasn't already been posted. Definitely worth watching.

Ander
17th November 2007, 20:15
Originally posted by Led [email protected] 17, 2007 04:29 am
I moved it here from Chit-Chat. :P
Oh... :blush:

dty06
18th November 2007, 01:24
one of the best movies i've seen. I think it might be a bit exaggerated in some of its details, but overall i think it's pretty accurate. The 9/11 part especially opened my eyes. I always thought it was pretty damn suspicious that they fell so cleanly, but after seeing that it made perfect sense. The third part is the only one that i have any doubts about, but those doubts are minimal.

UndergroundConnexion
18th November 2007, 20:20
is this a conspiracy movie or what is it ?

rocker935
18th November 2007, 20:26
yeh, its a conspiracy movie, but good.

crimsonzephyr
20th November 2007, 02:10
Originally posted by [email protected] 18, 2007 01:23 am
one of the best movies i've seen. I think it might be a bit exaggerated in some of its details, but overall i think it's pretty accurate. The 9/11 part especially opened my eyes. I always thought it was pretty damn suspicious that they fell so cleanly, but after seeing that it made perfect sense. The third part is the only one that i have any doubts about, but those doubts are minimal.
you stole exactly what i was going to say

i feel the same about all parts


another good documentry is "secretspace"

http://trueconspiracyblog.blogspot.com/200...full-video.html (http://trueconspiracyblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/secret-space-documentary-full-video.html)

but a lot of it does seem stretched, especially the alien, spacewars, etc...but you never know!

Tatarin
20th November 2007, 05:01
Interesting story. Too bad it can't go very far since much of the information is wrong.

Watch David Icke instead. :D

blackstone
14th January 2008, 15:35
Why is everyone believing the religion things to be true? I have yet to fine any connections between Horus and Jesus beyond conspiracy theories and books. But the fact is Horus wasn't conceived of a virgin birth. Nor was he ressurrected in 3 days, or called Son of Lamb or Christ.

anarchopaul
28th February 2008, 00:20
Great movie. I can only recommend it.

Miss Mindfuck.
28th February 2008, 05:32
I really enjoyed zeitgeist.
I thought it was very well-researched and presented the information clearly and cleverly. One of my favorite documentaries to date.

RedDawn
28th February 2008, 06:35
That movie is shit.

Worse conspiracy theories than Loose Change, ideas about religion that sound like someone passed the bong around the room.

My roommates liked it, I told them it was filled with half-assed anarchist and libertarian ideas. Then I looked up their website, what does it say under activism?

"Support Ron Paul for President 2008"
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/activism.htm

This kind of confused liberal / anarchist / libertarian crap loves to blame religion first and think that the Bush regime is some sort of exception to American imperialism.

F9
28th February 2008, 13:21
a really great movie worth ,watching!I saw it months ago and it was really good!

Fuserg9:star:

thescarface1989
28th February 2008, 14:27
The religion part was interesting, but the rest is just crap conspiracy. from the 911 truth movement. The vote Ron Paul thing on the website should have given it away.

bayano
28th February 2008, 15:59
for the naive folks in here praising this worthless trite, did any of you care to fact check? or seek out who else makes these types of claims, like the ones about the federal reserve? this is bullshit right wing conspiracist trite, fully of fallacies and taking people completely off course the real situation- the white supremacist capitalist patriarchy. please, there are lots of honest and great leftist documentaries. dont waste your time with this nonsense.

im really sad that i lost some fine young comrades to this movie and its way of thinking.

Spasiba
1st March 2008, 05:43
Should I watch this or not? I see mixed reviews here. I don't want to watch some bullshit put together to entertain some conspiracy nut's fantasy.

Miss Mindfuck.
1st March 2008, 23:10
Should I watch this or not? I see mixed reviews here. I don't want to watch some bullshit put together to entertain some conspiracy nut's fantasy.

It's interesting as fuck whether you agree with it or not. The religion bit, in my opinion, is incredibly intriguing and regardless of your beliefs; I think it made it worth watching. Sure, some of it is far-out and ridiculous, but it's common knowledge that opinions will vary... Check it out.

Cryotank Screams
2nd March 2008, 02:03
I actually found this movie to be mediocre trash.

bootleg42
3rd March 2008, 22:03
Movies like these are made by the far-right and the free-market right-wing libertarians.

These are also the Ron Paul freaks and they are an offshoot of the 90's militia movement (all far-right movements).

This movie is garbage. Please don't fall for the right's tricks.

Spasiba
5th March 2008, 21:54
Wow, maybe I won't watch it now. Is there any good debunking about it? If so, I should show it to my friend, he's kind of in love with this thing now.

Dystisis
8th March 2008, 18:49
People saying "don't watch it, it's conspiracy piss" or whatever is fucking pissing me off.

People should watch everything they can, if they have time. The more people know, the better. Even if some of the shit in this film is false, which I am sure it is, it can never hurt to have watched it. You will only take what is false for being true if you haven't already gathered enough information... Don't go around being scared.

RebeldePorLaPAZ
26th March 2008, 17:42
I didn't see any previous threads about this, but please correct me if I'm wrong and am reposting a repeated topic.

I wanted to share with you a movie I ran across after it was recommended to me by a friend. After watching it I came to the conclusion that this has to be one of the greatest athiest, anti-war (along with other things) movie that I have seen in a while, if not the best. But that is my personal opinion, I'm sure you all have your own views about it.

I'm curious to find out what others on RevLeft think about this movie.

I have left links below for those who have not seen it.

It is available free online by streaming it off the website.
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

You can also download the DVD torrent by clicking the link below.
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3787985/Zeitgeist.(2007).%5BDVDRip%5D-XviD-MP3-

F9
26th March 2008, 18:24
it was posted again!;)
heres the link: http://www.revleft.com/vb/zeitgeist-t66457/index.html

Fuserg9:star:

ckaihatsu
31st March 2008, 09:41
"Zeitgeist": Not a sign of the times, but a definite must-see documentary nonetheless

A review by Chris Kaihatsu, ck aihat [email protected] gm ail. co m, 3-31-08


I've been around politics since I was first radicalized, while at college, by mass marches against the first Gulf War. On one chilly day I was on my way to the meal hall, in an adjacent dorm on campus, wearing just jeans, a long-sleeved shirt over a t-shirt, and I heard a sustained roar coming from the nearby street. I impetuously walked over to see what was going on, and saw hundreds of students flooding the street with signs, yelling and chanting against U.S. military involvement in Iraq. I instantly decided this was worthwhile, and I skipped the meal, braved the chill, and jumped into the river of bodies flowing through campus and beyond.

In the days and weeks that passed since the initial marches and protests on campus, in town, and to downtown Chicago (after taking trains to get there, that is), I slowly decided that I should probably get some background to the political issues behind the war against Iraq, and to the political world as a whole. I'd been noticing flyers around campus more than I had before, and so I finally attended a meeting and thus started my political education.

In hindsight it was a very good decision, and I was at school, anyway -- my political education wound up complementing my sociology and history studies, which were preparation for a career in teaching high school history. Through my political education I was able to discern that some of my professors tended to be more left-leaning, and others weren't. For my own development of curriculum the politics served as a very good framework, a valid sociological backdrop to whatever period and personages were at hand. In later years I'd actually formalize a framework, rendered with a freeware 3-D program, called "History: Macro-Micro."

I mention all of this to introduce myself in my authorship of this critique of the documentary "Zeitgeist," a work which is too notable to be viewed lightly, or to be passed over altogether. I was introduced to it through the 9-11 Truth list that I am on, in Chicago. After getting the movie through its torrent I watched it and found it to be a complex work, informative and well-researched, well produced, and well-meaning.

It is the first three qualities of the documentary that are unimpeachable -- as a documentary is it very worthwhile and easily overcomes cursory dismissals of it being the work of "conspiracy theorists". For anyone who relies on that political slur as an easy crutch this movie will be an eye-opener, as it is done with attention to detail, is worldview- and politically astute, tactful, and with first-rate production values. Incredibly, though it handles a wide array of serious, grave issues, it remains quite easy to watch, striking a delicate balance between being educational and being watchable, and in dealing with controversial subjects at that. It does not shy away from a viewpoint, nor does it beat you over the head with it -- if anything it employs a level of finesse in pacing that is practically hypnotizing. If it weren't for its conclusions I would probably not bother writing this review, because, aside from its political conclusions, it remains a very good, informative documentary for anyone to see. It is only its political conclusions that I will take issue with.

The movie opens with a quickly shimmering, cyan colored rectangle, including iterations of itself that draw towards the background in a quasi-television-feedback manner. It serves as a mentally clearing moment as the voiceover kicks in. Onward the movie leads into shots of explosions in warfare, then shots of the earth from orbit, some cosmic / solar system travel sequences, then sky shots, cloudscapes, then oceans, and then bacteria, leading into a simple line-art animation that depicts evolution from bacteria to human being, arriving at the writing of math, then a shot of the bible, then the American flag, and then repeated shots of the explosions from planes slamming into the World Trade Center towers on 9-11.

It leads into sequences of contemporary warfare -- including from the Middle East -- and then to the emotional aftermath in people's faces as they live through September 11th in New York City. Then we see more footage of current war scenes, and then the title screen.

Part I presents an educational journey through several religion's similarity in dealing with the astronomical procession of the constellations through distinct, 26,000-year periods by using allegorical references, like the well-known Jesus myth. The entire point of Part I is to shatter any tenuous connections one may have to claims of religious authenticity and religious authority by exposing the historical, pan-religious basis for common myths that are taken as givens in today's society. It opens with a popular appeal, the voiceover disdaining control from religious institutions but at the same time taking an agnostic position of not knowing if there is a god, and invoking an appeal to divine justice.

Part I ends with an intentionally abrupt clip of Tucker Carlson in attack mode, claiming that it is "blasphemous and sinful" to help others come to the conclusion that the U.S. killed 3,000 of its own citizens. This segues into Part II which deals entirely with the material evidence remaining from the events of 9-11.

Part III details a history of the construction of the financial underpinnings of the U.S. economy, including the financing of its wars of conquest. It uses clips from the movie "Network" (1976) that serve as an emotional, populist appeal for people to "wake up" and do something with their lives instead of being beholden to mass media. The theme continues in this vein of criticizing mass media, expanding outward to criticize the education system, entertainment, drugs, and also alcohol. It represents the entire news world with sequences from Fox News, showing shots of Rudy Giuliani, Rupert Murdoch, Paris Hilton, and a runway model.

This sorely constrained depiction of available news and the news-ingesting public leads into an over-reliance on temporally limited trends towards increasing political consolidation. These trends could last for only as long as the neoconservatives had political capital to spend. Political consolidation is a dynamic that parallels corporate mergers and acquisitions, and is possible only in a period of imperial military success, inevitably coupled with growing instability and desperation.

At the time that the documentary was being made this trend was already waning, and as of this writing the U.S. administration is suffering an incredible crisis of momentum, accompanied by financial crises that are threatening the capitalist mode of production worldwide.

The narrative points to the slightest of initiatives, the "North American Union", as our period's zeitgeist, which is also the movie's political thesis. While a fairly rational case could be made for plans for such a political consolidation, given the fall of the U.S. dollar, the rise of the Eurozone, and the implementation of NAFTA, what the authors fail to see is that both Mexico and Canada really don't have much to offer the U.S., not nearly to the degree that consolidating the powerhouse economies of Germany, France, and other European states have had for the European Union.

This faulty, nationalist premise serves as the basis for a trippy, paranoid path through the haunted house of "one world government" with RFID chips as the catalyst for overriding the free will of every single individual on the planet. Really the movie gets downright entertaining at this point, without even meaning to. The political horror movie springboards its antithesis, a call to personal salvation featuring a personal story of sudden awakening, including complementary sentiments of fuzzy, warm together-iness, also very "Crash" in its mode of thinking.

I have taken the liberty of reproducing the script at this point, for your enjoyment. I will take up some political themes which re-emerge at the conclusion, with my comments on them.


> [1:48:34] voiceover: In the end everybody will be locked into a monitored control grid where every single action you perform is documented, and if you get out of line they can just turn off your chip for at that point in time every single aspect of society will revolve around interactions with the chips.

> This is the picture that is painted for the future if you open your eyes to see it, a centralized, one-world economy where everyone's moves and everyone's transactions are tracked and monitored, all rights removed.

> The most incredible aspect of all: these totalitarian elements will not be forced upon the people, the people will demand them. For the social manipulation of society through the generation of fear and division has completely detached humans from their sense of power and reality, a process which has been going on for centuries if not millenia.

> Religion, patriotism, race, wealth, class, and every other form of arbitrary, separatist identification thus conceived has served to create a controlled population utterly malleable in the hands of the few. Divide and conquer is the motto and as long as people continue to see themselves as separate, from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. The men behind the curtain know this, and they also know that if people ever realize the truth of their relationship to nature, and the truth of their personal power the entire manufactured zeitgeist they prey upon will collapse like a house of cards.

> [1:50:19] The whole system that we live in drills into us that we're powerless, that we're weak, that our society is evil, that it's privated [?}, et cetera, and so forth -- it's all a big fat lie. We are powerful, beautiful, extraordinary. There is no reason why we cannot understand who we truly are, where we are going. There is no reason why the average individual cannot be fully empowered. We are incredibly powerful beings.

> [1:50:51] I think I spent the first 30 years of my life -- the first 30 -- trying to become something. I wanted to become good at things -- I wanted to become good at tennis, I wanted to become good at school, at grades, and everything I kind of viewed in that perspective -- I'm not okay the way I am but if I got good at things -- I realized I had the game wrong. The game was to find out what I already was.

> [1:51:36] Now in our culture we've been trained for individual differences to stand out, so you look at each person and immediately it is brighter, dumber, older, younger, richer, poorer, and we make all these dimensional distinctions, put them in categories and treat them that way. And we get so that we only see others as separate from ourselves, in the ways that they're separate. And one of the dramatic characteristics of experience is being with another person and suddenly seeing the ways in which they're like you, not different from you. And experiencing the fact -- that which is essence in you and which is essence in me is indeed one -- the understanding that there is no other -- it is all one. And I wasn't born Richard Albert, I just was born as a human being. And then I learned this whole business of who I am, and whether I'm good or bad, or achieving or not -- all that's learned along the way.

> [1:52:45] text: When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Sri Chimnoy Ghose

> [1:52:50] voiceover: The old appeals, to racial, sexual, religious chauvinism, to rabid nationalist fervor, are beginning not to work. A new consciousness is developing which sees the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with itself is doomed.

> [1:53:44] Bill Hicks used to finish his shows with this: "Life is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are, and the ride goes up and down and around and around, it has thrills and chills and it's very brightly colored. And it's very loud and it's fun for awhile -- some who have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question: Is this real or is this just a ride, and other people have remembered and they say, 'Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid ever, because this is just a ride,' and we kill those people. 'Shut him up, I've got a lot invested in this ride, shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry, look at my big bank account, my family. This has to be real.' It's just a ride. But we will kill those big guys who try to tell us that, and let the demons run amuck. But it doesn't matter because it's just a ride and we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice -- no effort, no work, no job savings of money, it's just a choice, right now, between fear and love."

> [1:55:21] text: The Revolution is Now


The giveaway to any production's liberal political slant is when it starts admixing all of society's ills together, as "Zeitgeist" does with religion, patriotism, race, wealth, and class.

It doesn't note that the working class is the basis for the creation of all wealth, or that conditions become worse for the world's majority when the working class is repressed by the state. The social ills listed are far from arbitrary -- they are based in the very real strategies of the ruling class to divide the working class based on these arbitrary distinctions, so as to keep workers from organizing, thus keeping wages down.

In positing a trajectory toward "one world government" the authors are overly pessimistic by not noting the never-ending conflicts among nation-states, in competition for markets. By hinging future liberation from war on the realization of individual, personal enlightenment the authors are overly optimistic, because no matter how self-realized, well-educated, or fraternal people are it will not be sufficient as a plan for labor solidarity.

The personages "Zeitgeist" invokes are all liberals, who, when push comes to shove, are known for cutting deals with rulers, and selling out the working class in its hour of need. As much as I like Bill Hick's humor I can't consider him to be a serious political figure, nor will I ever view life as "a ride in an amusement park." If solving the world's class problem were as easy as loving everyone I would do it in a heartbeat -- unfortunately that's not enough for a true revolution against the barons of capital and their global machine.


Chris






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ckaihatsu
31st March 2008, 10:09
"Zeitgeist": Not a sign of the times, but a definite must-see documentary nonetheless

A review by Chris Kaihatsu, ck aihat [email protected] gm ail. co m, 3-31-08


I've been around politics since I was first radicalized, while at college, by mass marches against the first Gulf War. On one chilly day I was on my way to the meal hall, in an adjacent dorm on campus, wearing just jeans, a long-sleeved shirt over a t-shirt, and I heard a sustained roar coming from the nearby street. I impetuously walked over to see what was going on, and saw hundreds of students flooding the street with signs, yelling and chanting against U.S. military involvement in Iraq. I instantly decided this was worthwhile, and I skipped the meal, braved the chill, and jumped into the river of bodies flowing through campus and beyond.

In the days and weeks that passed since the initial marches and protests on campus, in town, and to downtown Chicago (after taking trains to get there, that is), I slowly decided that I should probably get some background to the political issues behind the war against Iraq, and to the political world as a whole. I'd been noticing flyers around campus more than I had before, and so I finally attended a meeting and thus started my political education.

In hindsight it was a very good decision, and I was at school, anyway -- my political education wound up complementing my sociology and history studies, which were preparation for a career in teaching high school history. Through my political education I was able to discern that some of my professors tended to be more left-leaning, and others weren't. For my own development of curriculum the politics served as a very good framework, a valid sociological backdrop to whatever period and personages were at hand. In later years I'd actually formalize a framework, rendered with a freeware 3-D program, called "History: Macro-Micro."

I mention all of this to introduce myself in my authorship of this critique of the documentary "Zeitgeist," a work which is too notable to be viewed lightly, or to be passed over altogether. I was introduced to it through the 9-11 Truth list that I am on, in Chicago. After getting the movie through its torrent I watched it and found it to be a complex work, informative and well-researched, well produced, and well-meaning.

It is the first three qualities of the documentary that are unimpeachable -- as a documentary is it very worthwhile and easily overcomes cursory dismissals of it being the work of "conspiracy theorists". For anyone who relies on that political slur as an easy crutch this movie will be an eye-opener, as it is done with attention to detail, is worldview- and politically astute, tactful, and with first-rate production values. Incredibly, though it handles a wide array of serious, grave issues, it remains quite easy to watch, striking a delicate balance between being educational and being watchable, and in dealing with controversial subjects at that. It does not shy away from a viewpoint, nor does it beat you over the head with it -- if anything it employs a level of finesse in pacing that is practically hypnotizing. If it weren't for its conclusions I would probably not bother writing this review, because, aside from its political conclusions, it remains a very good, informative documentary for anyone to see. It is only its political conclusions that I will take issue with.

The movie opens with a quickly shimmering, cyan colored rectangle, including iterations of itself that draw towards the background in a quasi-television-feedback manner. It serves as a mentally clearing moment as the voiceover kicks in. Onward the movie leads into shots of explosions in warfare, then shots of the earth from orbit, some cosmic / solar system travel sequences, then sky shots, cloudscapes, then oceans, and then bacteria, leading into a simple line-art animation that depicts evolution from bacteria to human being, arriving at the writing of math, then a shot of the bible, then the American flag, and then repeated shots of the explosions from planes slamming into the World Trade Center towers on 9-11.

It leads into sequences of contemporary warfare -- including from the Middle East -- and then to the emotional aftermath in people's faces as they live through September 11th in New York City. Then we see more footage of current war scenes, and then the title screen.

Part I presents an educational journey through several religion's similarity in dealing with the astronomical procession of the constellations through distinct, 26,000-year periods by using allegorical references, like the well-known Jesus myth. The entire point of Part I is to shatter any tenuous connections one may have to claims of religious authenticity and religious authority by exposing the historical, pan-religious basis for common myths that are taken as givens in today's society. It opens with a popular appeal, the voiceover disdaining control from religious institutions but at the same time taking an agnostic position of not knowing if there is a god, and invoking an appeal to divine justice.

Part I ends with an intentionally abrupt clip of Tucker Carlson in attack mode, claiming that it is "blasphemous and sinful" to help others come to the conclusion that the U.S. killed 3,000 of its own citizens. This segues into Part II which deals entirely with the material evidence remaining from the events of 9-11.

Part III details a history of the construction of the financial underpinnings of the U.S. economy, including the financing of its wars of conquest. It uses clips from the movie "Network" (1976) that serve as an emotional, populist appeal for people to "wake up" and do something with their lives instead of being beholden to mass media. The theme continues in this vein of criticizing mass media, expanding outward to criticize the education system, entertainment, drugs, and also alcohol. It represents the entire news world with sequences from Fox News, showing shots of Rudy Giuliani, Rupert Murdoch, Paris Hilton, and a runway model.

This sorely constrained depiction of available news and the news-ingesting public leads into an over-reliance on temporally limited trends towards increasing political consolidation. These trends could last for only as long as the neoconservatives had political capital to spend. Political consolidation is a dynamic that parallels corporate mergers and acquisitions, and is possible only in a period of imperial military success, inevitably coupled with growing instability and desperation.

At the time that the documentary was being made this trend was already waning, and as of this writing the U.S. administration is suffering an incredible crisis of momentum, accompanied by financial crises that are threatening the capitalist mode of production worldwide.

The narrative points to the slightest of initiatives, the "North American Union", as our period's zeitgeist, which is also the movie's political thesis. While a fairly rational case could be made for plans for such a political consolidation, given the fall of the U.S. dollar, the rise of the Eurozone, and the implementation of NAFTA, what the authors fail to see is that both Mexico and Canada really don't have much to offer the U.S., not nearly to the degree that consolidating the powerhouse economies of Germany, France, and other European states have had for the European Union.

This faulty, nationalist premise serves as the basis for a trippy, paranoid path through the haunted house of "one world government" with RFID chips as the catalyst for overriding the free will of every single individual on the planet. Really the movie gets downright entertaining at this point, without even meaning to. The political horror movie springboards its antithesis, a call to personal salvation featuring a personal story of sudden awakening, including complementary sentiments of fuzzy, warm together-iness, also very "Crash" in its mode of thinking.

I have taken the liberty of reproducing the script at this point, for your enjoyment. I will take up some political themes which re-emerge at the conclusion, with my comments on them.


> [1:48:34] voiceover: In the end everybody will be locked into a monitored control grid where every single action you perform is documented, and if you get out of line they can just turn off your chip for at that point in time every single aspect of society will revolve around interactions with the chips.

> This is the picture that is painted for the future if you open your eyes to see it, a centralized, one-world economy where everyone's moves and everyone's transactions are tracked and monitored, all rights removed.

> The most incredible aspect of all: these totalitarian elements will not be forced upon the people, the people will demand them. For the social manipulation of society through the generation of fear and division has completely detached humans from their sense of power and reality, a process which has been going on for centuries if not millenia.

> Religion, patriotism, race, wealth, class, and every other form of arbitrary, separatist identification thus conceived has served to create a controlled population utterly malleable in the hands of the few. Divide and conquer is the motto and as long as people continue to see themselves as separate, from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. The men behind the curtain know this, and they also know that if people ever realize the truth of their relationship to nature, and the truth of their personal power the entire manufactured zeitgeist they prey upon will collapse like a house of cards.

> [1:50:19] The whole system that we live in drills into us that we're powerless, that we're weak, that our society is evil, that it's privated [?}, et cetera, and so forth -- it's all a big fat lie. We are powerful, beautiful, extraordinary. There is no reason why we cannot understand who we truly are, where we are going. There is no reason why the average individual cannot be fully empowered. We are incredibly powerful beings.

> [1:50:51] I think I spent the first 30 years of my life -- the first 30 -- trying to become something. I wanted to become good at things -- I wanted to become good at tennis, I wanted to become good at school, at grades, and everything I kind of viewed in that perspective -- I'm not okay the way I am but if I got good at things -- I realized I had the game wrong. The game was to find out what I already was.

> [1:51:36] Now in our culture we've been trained for individual differences to stand out, so you look at each person and immediately it is brighter, dumber, older, younger, richer, poorer, and we make all these dimensional distinctions, put them in categories and treat them that way. And we get so that we only see others as separate from ourselves, in the ways that they're separate. And one of the dramatic characteristics of experience is being with another person and suddenly seeing the ways in which they're like you, not different from you. And experiencing the fact -- that which is essence in you and which is essence in me is indeed one -- the understanding that there is no other -- it is all one. And I wasn't born Richard Albert, I just was born as a human being. And then I learned this whole business of who I am, and whether I'm good or bad, or achieving or not -- all that's learned along the way.

> [1:52:45] text: When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Sri Chimnoy Ghose

> [1:52:50] voiceover: The old appeals, to racial, sexual, religious chauvinism, to rabid nationalist fervor, are beginning not to work. A new consciousness is developing which sees the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with itself is doomed.

> [1:53:44] Bill Hicks used to finish his shows with this: "Life is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are, and the ride goes up and down and around and around, it has thrills and chills and it's very brightly colored. And it's very loud and it's fun for awhile -- some who have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question: Is this real or is this just a ride, and other people have remembered and they say, 'Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid ever, because this is just a ride,' and we kill those people. 'Shut him up, I've got a lot invested in this ride, shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry, look at my big bank account, my family. This has to be real.' It's just a ride. But we will kill those big guys who try to tell us that, and let the demons run amuck. But it doesn't matter because it's just a ride and we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice -- no effort, no work, no job savings of money, it's just a choice, right now, between fear and love."

> [1:55:21] text: The Revolution is Now


The giveaway to any production's liberal political slant is when it starts admixing all of society's ills together, as "Zeitgeist" does with religion, patriotism, race, wealth, and class.

It doesn't note that the working class is the basis for the creation of all wealth, or that conditions become worse for the world's majority when the working class is repressed by the state. The social ills listed are far from arbitrary -- they are based in the very real strategies of the ruling class to divide the working class based on these arbitrary distinctions, so as to keep workers from organizing, thus keeping wages down.

In positing a trajectory toward "one world government" the authors are overly pessimistic by not noting the never-ending conflicts among nation-states, in competition for markets. By hinging future liberation from war on the realization of individual, personal enlightenment the authors are overly optimistic, because no matter how self-realized, well-educated, or fraternal people are it will not be sufficient as a plan for labor solidarity.

The personages "Zeitgeist" invokes are all liberals, who, when push comes to shove, are known for cutting deals with rulers, and selling out the working class in its hour of need. As much as I like Bill Hick's humor I can't consider him to be a serious political figure, nor will I ever view life as "a ride in an amusement park." If solving the world's class problem were as easy as loving everyone I would do it in a heartbeat -- unfortunately that's not enough for a true revolution against the barons of capital and their global machine.


Chris






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al8
3rd April 2008, 10:02
I found it to be so boring and badly made that I simply didn't last long into it. Some of my better bible learned atheist comrades and history-geeks tell me they fuckin' hate this documentary for its inaccuracies and unwarranted sensationalism.

Ultra-Violence
3rd April 2008, 17:25
i enjoyed it watched it with my mom still belives in jesus for some reason eh 7/10

Leonid
3rd April 2008, 17:58
This " Zeitgeist" movie is a typical creation of some Libertarian middle class intellectuals who ran amok of the brutalities of "shock doctrine" capitalism but still can't grasp the true reasons for the current state of affairs, instead blaming everything on omnipotent shadowy conspirators...

ckaihatsu
3rd April 2008, 20:35
I found it to be so boring and badly made that I simply didn't last long into it. Some of my better bible learned atheist comrades and history-geeks tell me they fuckin' hate this documentary for its inaccuracies and unwarranted sensationalism.


I'm not huge into religion research -- I used to find it more interesting, but now it feels too archaic and eccentric -- any elaboration on the inaccuracies? The content seems fairly basic -- kinda grade-school -- but in that way may be valuable for anyone who doesn't know already.

I didn't think it was *too* sensationalistic -- to the extent that it was sensationalist it paid the price by being too dumbed-down. As I noted in the review the paranoid fantasies simply became entertaining.... (Don't turn off my chip, Mister NWO!!!!!!) = )

It's fascinating that in the absence of a rational analysis of history they wind up relying on that New Age crap for a 'way forward' -- it's like they're trying to front '60s counter-culture for their sales pitch...(!) (And behind it, of course, is retro-Americana nationalist fantasy anyway....)



This " Zeitgeist" movie is a typical creation of some Libertarian middle class intellectuals who ran amok of the brutalities of "shock doctrine" capitalism but still can't grasp the true reasons for the current state of affairs, instead blaming everything on omnipotent shadowy conspirators...


Yup -- exactly. I think of them as right-liberals, whereas -- speaking of Naomi Klein's _Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism_ -- I think of her as being left-liberal. (If that's what you were referring to.)

Incidentally, I found her work to be valuable, also in a research sort of way -- she covers contemporary history very well, but doesn't point to the mechanics of capitalism itself as the cause (as WSWS points out), nor does she give a plan for a way forward.

I wish it was as easy as a "man behind the curtain" -- if it was, the anarchists would've gotten to him long ago...! = )

Philosophical Materialist
3rd April 2008, 23:13
There's a debunking of the movie here: http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/