Thesis on E-Commerce

[OrderedAnarchy]

First off, state plainly whether you agree or disagree, Then, tell me why. Finally, propose a modified or alternate thesis.

My thesis is that corporations that draw their profits from e-commerce constitute an almost truly technocratic industry and are among the few in the private sector that deserve the support of leftists. They are technocratic because their laborers are mostly skilled programmers. They are only almost so because they still require janitors, shippers, and tellers to clean, operate freight, and speak to customers. But it seems that they have done away with such a large amount of meaningless work and replaced it with skilled labor that it constitutes a progressive step in the labor struggle.

[UndergroundConnexion]

false one word: postman. If you work at the post you know what it means.. fuck i hate it when i have to ring te doorbell nobody there and i have to write a little note or ring the neighbour's doorbell

[Raúl Duke]

They are only almost so because they still require janitors, shippers, and tellers to clean, operate freight, and speak to customers.

So they still employ wage laborers... <_<
If we were talking about collectives, etc (although they still use money, etc; this is the only kind of commerce that is somewhat quite supported by the left.) on the other hand...
E-commerce mostly seems to apply to sales; online stores, and the like.


But it seems that they have done away with such a large amount of meaningless work and replaced it with skilled labor that it constitutes a progressive step in the labor struggle.

Don&#39;t most companies try their best to do away with all the meaningless work (especially the recent wave of out-sourcing and lay-offs) whether they&#39;re "e-commerce" or not?

How exactly does stripping away meaningless labor make it a step forward (or, to those inclined to a opposite view, a step backward) for class struggle?

[OrderedAnarchy]

Don&#39;t most companies try their best to do away with all the meaningless work (especially the recent wave of out-sourcing and lay-offs) whether they&#39;re "e-commerce" or not? No . Companies outsource labor,m whether meaningless or no, to cheaper markets, to save money. They lay off not the meaningless labor but just the workers that are not necessary to the functioning of the capitalist model. What is a job that is, for instance, not meaningless in a McDonald&#39;s?


How exactly does stripping away meaningless labor make it a step forward (or, to those inclined to a opposite view, a step backward) for class struggle? I am a college student (at a shitty school for highschool dropout). Many of my peers aspire to be programmers. It is very mathematical, meaning that the ruling class can&#39;t do much to make it elitist. On the flipside, janitorial is meaningless work that none aspirae to as kids. It is engineered to be a last resort. Less of the latter and more of the former is evidence that the class struggle is being won by the good guys.

[Raúl Duke]

Less of the latter and more of the former is evidence that the class struggle is being won by the good guys.

Not necessarily, since I don&#39;t see any change in the relationship between employer and employee. There&#39;s still a capitalist employer and no where is it mention any power gained by the employee over the means of production (except a better wage.).

Class struggle is being won when power is conceded to/gained by the working class.
The struggle can only be determined to be won if the working class takes control of society, of the means of production.

More E-commerce doesn&#39;t mean a victory in class struggle nor anything that empowers the workers (unless this specific E-commerce is a collective/cooperative).

Question:
Do you consider waste management/sewer management to be meaningless work?