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ellipsis
14th November 2007, 00:35
Anybody have any insight into the urban guerrilla movements in south america during the 60s and 70s, like the Tupamaros?

bcbm
14th November 2007, 07:19
Yes: epic fail.

Luís Henrique
14th November 2007, 12:49
Petty bourgeois movements, completely isolated from the working class, working under the delusion that "the masses" would uprise in response to a few "heroic" acts.

Luís Henrique

ellipsis
14th November 2007, 15:05
Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 14, 2007 12:49 pm
Petty bourgeois movements, completely isolated from the working class, working under the delusion that "the masses" would uprise in response to a few "heroic" acts.

Luís Henrique
Here is an excerpt from my thesis which I think sort of disproves your argument:

The Uruguayan anarcho-syndicalist Revolutionary Popular Organization (OPR-33) supported and helped to win strikes in favor of cement and railroad workers, in the latter example in collaboration with the Worker-Student Resistance (ROE) and the Uruguayan Anarchist Federation (FAU). Guillén contrasts this to the Tupamaros’ backing of a political party, which lost. He continues, highlighting the case most similar and relevant to the FLQ:

the strike at SERAL, a footwear manufacturer, lasted more than a year. Where the Communist-controlled unions failed, OPR-33 and ROE succeeded. The anarcho-syndicalists initiated the strike at SERAL; they endured hunger, asked for collections in the streets of Montevideo and mobilized popular support. But the owner, an ex-worker, could not be moved. Finally, his son disappeared. OPR-33 was apparently behind the operation but, unlike the Tupamaros, admitted nothing. No ransom was asked; words were unnecessary. In view of the circumstances it was tacitly understood that the owner, Malaguero, could recover his son by negotiating with the workers. In this way the most difficult strike in Uruguay was won: workers were compensated for lost pay; their union was recognized as the only legal bargaining agent.

bcbm
14th November 2007, 16:44
Sounds like the early Brigate Rote, in terms of supporting ongoing worker actions. In those terms, the urban guerrilla can perhaps be mildly effective (while still displacing power from the mass of workers to a specialized unit). Unfortunately, most of them tended towards the "strategy of tension" ideologically, which was a complete failure and only made things worse in their countries.

ellipsis
14th November 2007, 18:18
Originally posted by black coffee black [email protected] 14, 2007 04:44 pm
Unfortunately, most of them tended towards the "strategy of tension" ideologically, which was a complete failure and only made things worse in their countries.
what do you mean by strategy of tension?

Dr. Rosenpenis
17th November 2007, 00:53
Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 14, 2007 09:49 am
Petty bourgeois movements, completely isolated from the working class, working under the delusion that "the masses" would uprise in response to a few "heroic" acts.

Luís Henrique
Is the success of the PT the uprising of the working class, LH?

Luís Henrique
17th November 2007, 16:39
Originally posted by Dr. Rosenpenis+November 17, 2007 12:53 am--> (Dr. Rosenpenis @ November 17, 2007 12:53 am)
Luís [email protected] 14, 2007 09:49 am
Petty bourgeois movements, completely isolated from the working class, working under the delusion that "the masses" would uprise in response to a few "heroic" acts.

Luís Henrique
Is the success of the PT the uprising of the working class, LH? [/b]
That's a tu quoque argument.

Luís Henrique

Dr. Rosenpenis
19th November 2007, 18:16
So?
I don't pretend like I'm part of a working class movement. You do. Is it really that?