Just the Symbionese Liberation Army?

[PigmerikanMao]

Does anyone know of any communist revolutionary attempts other than the actions of the SLA?

[RedAnarchist]

any communist revolutionary attempts other than the actions of the SLA


Thats like saying do you know any other languages besides Frisian :lol:

[PigmerikanMao]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 08:21 pm

any communist revolutionary attempts other than the actions of the SLA


Thats like saying do you know any other languages besides Frisian :lol:
Well, I mean well known ones- duh. :rolleyes:

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 08:18 pm
Does anyone know of any communist revolutionary attempts other than the actions of the SLA?
there has been many "propaganda of the deed" communist groups in the USA. The weathermen, black liberation army, some tendencies inside the black panther party etc

its a fucking stupid tactic but whatever

[KC]

The SLA wasn't even communist or revolutionary; they were a joke. I think this guy's just trolling.

[RedAnarchist]

Aren't they the guys who kidnapped that rich woman and did bank robberies?

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by Marmot+November 10, 2007 03:23 pm--> (Marmot @ November 10, 2007 03:23 pm)
[email protected] 10, 2007 08:18 pm
Does anyone know of any communist revolutionary attempts other than the actions of the SLA?
there has been many "propaganda of the deed" communist groups in the USA. The weathermen, black liberation army, some tendencies inside the black panther party etc

its a fucking stupid tactic but whatever [/b]
I've never really understood what 'propaganda of the deed' means. What does it mean anyway?

I think what PigmerikanMao is interested in is a true insurgency, training in the mountains or something. I wish I could help him out, but all I can say is that he should look into starting one.

[Marsella]

Originally posted by COMRADE CRUM+November 11, 2007 06:33 am--> (COMRADE CRUM @ November 11, 2007 06:33 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 03:23 pm

[email protected] 10, 2007 08:18 pm
Does anyone know of any communist revolutionary attempts other than the actions of the SLA?
there has been many "propaganda of the deed" communist groups in the USA. The weathermen, black liberation army, some tendencies inside the black panther party etc

its a fucking stupid tactic but whatever
I've never really understood what 'propaganda of the deed' means. What does it mean anyway?

I think what PigmerikanMao is interested in is a true insurgency, training in the mountains or something. I wish I could help him out, but all I can say is that he should look into starting one. [/b]
How and why in fuck's name would you start an insurgency in America?!

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by Martov+November 10, 2007 04:04 pm--> (Martov @ November 10, 2007 04:04 pm)
Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 11, 2007 06:33 am

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 03:23 pm

[email protected] 10, 2007 08:18 pm
Does anyone know of any communist revolutionary attempts other than the actions of the SLA?
there has been many "propaganda of the deed" communist groups in the USA. The weathermen, black liberation army, some tendencies inside the black panther party etc

its a fucking stupid tactic but whatever
I've never really understood what 'propaganda of the deed' means. What does it mean anyway?

I think what PigmerikanMao is interested in is a true insurgency, training in the mountains or something. I wish I could help him out, but all I can say is that he should look into starting one.
How and why in fuck's name would you start an insurgency in America?! [/b]
For the obvious purpose of overthrowing capitalism.

[Marsella]

And a group like the RAF or the Weatherman can achieve that?

Do you really think that a group of say, 20 people, can overthrow capitalism?

Doesn't America strike you as the sort of place where you would not what to attempt to start an insurgency?

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by Martov+November 10, 2007 04:21 pm--> (Martov @ November 10, 2007 04:21 pm) And a group like the RAF or the Weatherman can achieve that?

Do you really think that a group of say, 20 people, can overthrow capitalism? [/b]
It worked in Cuba.


Martov

Doesn't America strike you as the sort of place where you would not what to attempt to start an insurgency?
I don't see why not. Other methods of resistance haven't done it here.

[Marsella]

The Cuban situation is vastly different.

There was popular support against Batista, and against the very system itself.

The American people are hardly critical of their leaders, let alone the status quo.

That isn't even to mention that the RAF, Weatherman and numerous other 'terrorist' factions have failed completely.

But by all means, go off and start the campaign in Central Park.


I don't see why not. Other methods of resistance haven't done it here.

How about a Communist revolution?

Really what does this amount to?

Teenage boys posting fantasy dreams about leading an armed struggle. I doubt PigmerikanMao has even seen a gun, let alone be equipped to lead an armed struggle against the entire US military force.

Utopian in the extreme.

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by Martov+--> (Martov)The American people are hardly critical of their leaders, let alone the status quo.[/b]
Atrocity propaganda will change that.


Martov
How about a Communist revolution?

An actual one will work. There are too many shuch and jive groups out there that are too into book and paper selling to actually do anything revolutionary.

Insurgency groups don't even have to be violent, they can conduct direct action and sabotage as well.

[PigmerikanMao]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 09:37 pm
Teenage boys posting fantasy dreams about leading an armed struggle. I doubt PigmerikanMao has even seen a gun, let alone be equipped to lead an armed struggle against the entire US military force.
Well that was hardly called for- but I might as well correct you if you REALLY are trying to insult me.

- I am 21
- I own an AK 74 as well as some lesser guns
- I am a part of a group of about 5 Maoists who also own guns

Anyways, I don't think starting a revolution in the United States is very tactical until class consciousness can be raised to some level- like that which was seen in the late 60's, early 70's. We have a while to go before that happens.

Seriously- was any of that really called for? Just flat out insulting me like that? All I asked was a simple history question and people are accusing me of trolling? Huh, funny how the people accusing others of trolling are usually the hypocrites as well.

-Pigmerikan :P

[Marsella]

Atrocity propaganda will change that.

:lol:

Yeah, I'm sure that blowing buildings up is really going to help people get on our side.

Just like 9/11 gained Bin Laden support amongst the American people.

More likely, they will look on the perpetrators as terrorist pigs.

Unsurprisingly.


An actual one will work. There are too many shuch and jive groups out there that are too into book and paper selling to actually do anything revolutionary.

Yeah I agree.

I'm sick of the same old parties just as much as anyone is.

But we don't need to go the other extreme, however, and start blowing shit up.


Insurgency groups don't even have to be violent, they can conduct direct action and sabotage as well.

Yes they do.

That is the whole part of an insurgency group. I have never heard of a peaceful insurgency.

Direct acts and sabotage are violent acts, or at least viewed by society as violent acts, and they will eventually lead to violent incidents.

I'm not saying violence doesn't have a purpose, but it needs to be grounded in reality.

[PigmerikanMao]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 09:55 pm
Yes they do.
Ever hear of the EZLN?

[Marsella]

Well that was hardly called for- but I might as well correct you if you REALLY are trying to insult me.

- I am 21
- I own an AK 74 as well as some lesser guns
- I am a part of a group of about 5 Maoists who also own guns

If you are 21, which I doubt you are, act your fucking age.

I don't give a flying fuck if you own a gun. So do I.

But you, in this thread and in your other threads, have demonstrated your complete disassociation with reality - with what killing is all about.

Its not pretty and usually serves no purpose.

If you want to join the FARC or some other pseudo-Communist clique then that choice is up to you. It isn't heroic like being in a Maoist peasant vanguard. You will be shovelling shit just like every follower.


Seriously- was any of that really called for? Just flat out insulting me like that? All I asked was a simple history question and people are accusing me of trolling? Huh, funny how the people accusing others of trolling are usually the hypocrites as well.

Two options: you are retarded or you are a troll. Generally, this is applicable:

http://fstdt.com/funnyimages/uploads/423.png

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by Martov+November 10, 2007 04:55 pm--> (Martov @ November 10, 2007 04:55 pm)
Atrocity propaganda will change that.

:lol:

Yeah, I'm sure that blowing buildings up is really going to help people get on our side.

Just like 9/11 gained Bin Laden support amongst the American people.

More likely, they will look on the perpetrators as terrorist pigs.

Unsurprisingly. [/b]
Actually, I was talking of publicizing American military atrocities. Atrocity propaganda.

Luckily there are many atrocities being committed by the mil both here and abroad.


Originally posted by [email protected]


An actual one will work. There are too many shuch and jive groups out there that are too into book and paper selling to actually do anything revolutionary.

Yeah I agree.

I'm sick of the same old parties just as much as anyone is.

But we don't need to go the other extreme, however, and start blowing shit up.

Well, what should we do?


Martov


Insurgency groups don't even have to be violent, they can conduct direct action and sabotage as well.

Yes they do.

That is the whole part of an insurgency group. I have never heard of a peaceful insurgency.

Direct acts and sabotage are violent acts, or at least viewed by society as violent acts, and they will eventually lead to violent incidents.

I'm not saying violence doesn't have a purpose, but it needs to be grounded in reality.
It's time to start targeting the war effort, infrastructure/recruitment wise.

[PigmerikanMao]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 10:06 pm
If you are 21, which I doubt you are, act your fucking age.

I don't give a flying fuck if you own a gun. So do I.

But you, in this thread and in your other threads, have demonstrated your complete disassociation with reality - with what killing is all about.

Two options: you are retarded or you are a troll. Generally, this is applicable:

http://fstdt.com/funnyimages/uploads/423.png
I really don't care if you don't think I'm acting out of age- I shouldn't be required to conform to expectations set by a moron on the internet who makes wild accusations on the internet and when finding out they are wrong- only makes more. You accuse me of being retarded or a troll when I have not attacked or provoked you in any way. You seriously need to rethink who's the "retard." (Way to insult and group the mentally challenged, by the way, you ignorant jerkoff).

:D

[spartan]

Terrorism is a bad idea though i dont actually think PigmerikanMao is advocating this RAF style "urban guerrilla" thing.

Economic sabotage is far better as it is less likely to kill innocent people, the results of the sabotage affect the Proletarians more then anyone else (Thus making them look for an alternative to Capitalism which is where our propaganda will come in good) and the sabotage will be virtually untraceable to you.

The way to sabotage is to become an employee of the industry you plan on sabotaging.

[Herman]

Of course! No communist had ever thought of overthrowing the government of the US of A!

Violence, murder, pillage and rape, free for all! Let's infiltrate every industry and plant C4 bombs in them, all coordinated a la TV series 24.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 10, 2007 10:07 pm
Luckily there are many atrocities being committed by the mil both here and abroad.
What a weird thing to say.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 09:55 pm
- I am 21
- I own an AK 74 as well as some lesser guns
- I am a part of a group of about 5 Maoists who also own guns
And I am glad I'm not one of the other four.

What next, will you post their names and addresses here too?

Luís Henrique

[IronColumn]

No one's mentioned the most glaring and important thing to know about the SLA: it was run by a police agent. It was no joke, this was the creation of fake "militant" opposition by capitalism. Similarly, no one has mentioned how the RAF, WU, in fact all the "urban guerrilla" armed struggle groups have been heavily infiltrated by state forces. Largely this infiltration is facilitated by the fact that armed struggle is itself a bourgeois Jacobin conception of revolution, so even if a group wasn't rife with informers it would still promote the aims of capitalism.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 11:48 pm
Terrorism is a bad idea though i dont actually think PigmerikanMao is advocating this RAF style "urban guerrilla" thing.

Economic sabotage is far better as it is less likely to kill innocent people, the results of the sabotage affect the Proletarians more then anyone else (Thus making them look for an alternative to Capitalism which is where our propaganda will come in good) and the sabotage will be virtually untraceable to you.

The way to sabotage is to become an employee of the industry you plan on sabotaging.
So basically, we make the poor even poorer to the point where they can't stand the capitalist system anymore? Tad ultra-leftist don't you think? In this case, what's the point in supporting striking workers? Why not let their bosses treat them like garbage and hope they develope a revolutionary consciousness?

Now I know you might not be saying that, so correct me if I'm wrong. But that's what I took from your post.

[Bilan]

As Marx said, the times of small bands of revolutionary groups over throwing the government is over.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by Proper Tea is [email protected] 12, 2007 12:15 pm
As Marx said, the times of small bands of revolutionary groups over throwing the government is over.
And so it should be - a social revolution requires the informed support of the people within that society.

[Black Dagger]

Originally posted by COMRADE CRUM
Actually, I was talking of publicizing American military atrocities. Atrocity propaganda.

Ok, but what do you think left-wing groups have been doing... for the past century? That's hardly an original or effective tactic - critical consciousness is not something you can feed people with the 'correct' 'propaganda'.

[Devrim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 09:55 pm
- I am 21
- I own an AK 74 as well as some lesser guns
- I am a part of a group of about 5 Maoists who also own guns

I think that this poster is dangerous.
Devrim

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by devrimankara+November 12, 2007 03:07 pm--> (devrimankara @ November 12, 2007 03:07 pm)
[email protected] 10, 2007 09:55 pm
- I am 21
- I own an AK 74 as well as some lesser guns
- I am a part of a group of about 5 Maoists who also own guns

I think that this poster is dangerous.
Devrim [/b]
Either that or hes deluded/lying.

[Devrim]

Originally posted by Red_Anarchist+November 12, 2007 03:11 pm--> (Red_Anarchist @ November 12, 2007 03:11 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 03:07 pm

[email protected] 10, 2007 09:55 pm
- I am 21
- I own an AK 74 as well as some lesser guns
- I am a part of a group of about 5 Maoists who also own guns

I think that this poster is dangerous.
Devrim
Either that or hes deluded/lying. [/b]
deluded/lying is still dangerous.
Devrim

[Axel1917]

History has richly shown that you will not get anywhere when you substitute a small group of people for the conscious movement of the working class.

Cuba did not really like Batista to begin with, and the bourgeoisie learned from the example of Cuba - they have a tendency to nip guerrilla movements in the bud, as they always start off as small and weak. To top things off, when you go out there without the support of the bulk of the working class, you are either going to get wiped out easily or fight for years on end without advancing the class struggle a single inch.

"Urban guerrilla" movements essentially amount to individual terrorism these days. If substituting a small group of people for the conscious movement of the working class actually worked, capitalism would have been smashed a long time ago.

If the countless horrors of life by themselves are not stirring people into action right now, what makes one think that a small group of people shooting stuff up will?

[black magick hustla]

The Cuban guerrillas were backed by general strikes, riots, etc.

It was a much different situation than a bunch of SDS college wankers blowing up police stations.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 10:07 pm
I think that this poster is dangerous.
Devrim
no he's not, but he absolutely is an arrogant prick, that obvious ;)

[spartan]

no he's not, but he absolutely is an arrogant prick, that obvious ;)
Fighting for what you believe in makes him an arrogant prick? :huh:

Poor old Che Guevara then as by your definition Che would be one big arrogant prick for fighting for what he believed in!

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 06:03 pm

no he's not, but he absolutely is an arrogant prick, that obvious ;)
Fighting for what you believe in makes him an arrogant prick? :huh:

Poor old Che Guevara then as by your definition Che would be one big arrogant prick for fighting for what he believed in!
Well that kid from Finland was fighting for what he believed in when he shot his fellow students dead.

'Fighting for what you believe in' is not necessarily admirable in all situations. Trying to start insurrection in the US at the current time is one of those situations.

[spartan]

Well that kid from Finland was fighting for what he believed in when he shot his fellow students dead.

'Fighting for what you believe in' is not necessarily admirable in all situations. Trying to start insurrection in the US at the current time is one of those situations.
I agree with you that not all beliefs should be worth fighting for (Well any beliefs that are'nt leftist and anti-Capitalist that is :D ).

I was mostly refering to people who are against others fighting for their leftist beliefs.

I just cant understand why there are so many people here who are dead set against people going to another country to volunteer to fight for a huge leftist guerrilla force against our enemies?

I mean FARC controls a third of all of Colombia's territory and borders a Socialist friendly state in Venezuela!

Every militant leftist should be going to Venezuela right now to cross the border and volunteer for FARC as we might regret a lost opportunity.

The USA is already increasing the amount of "advisors" over in Colombia to help the Colombian forces in their drug war.

If we dont act soon, and whilst the USA is weak from Afghanistan and Iraq, we wont be able to take advantage of a very good situation.

Can you imagine it a Socialist Colombia bordering Socialist Venezuela and a left friendly Ecuador!

This would be great for any future Latin American Socialist bloc.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 01:03 am
Fighting for what you believe in makes him an arrogant prick? :huh:


what i meant with arrogant is he telling us here that he had a gun and blah...blah ..blah...you surely misunderstanding my post aren't you?

[spartan]

what i meant with arrogant is he telling us here that he had a gun and blah...blah ..blah...you surely misunderstanding my post aren't you?
Yes i understand.

The only reason he said that he had a gun was because another member accussed him of being some teen kid with romantic ideals of revolutionary fighting who has probably never fired a gun before in his life.

So he was just pointing out the truth when he said that he owned guns.

He was'nt being arrogant.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 06:32 pm
The only reason he said that he had a gun was because another member accussed him of being some teen kid with romantic ideals of revolutionary fighting who has probably never fired a gun before in his life.
And if someone accuse him of lying about his 5 Maoist comrades he will prove us wrong by giving their adresses so that we can check it out?


So he was just pointing out the truth when he said that he owned guns.

Or he was lying, and we cannot evidently know it on the internet.


He was'nt being arrogant.

He was arrogant with all that "my co-workers are stupid" babble.

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 06:28 pm
I just cant understand why there are so many people here who are dead set against people going to another country to volunteer to fight for a huge leftist guerrilla force against our enemies?
I am not against people going to another country to volunteer to fight for a huge leftist guerrilla force against our enemies. Or I may be, but that's not even the issue here.

I am against coming to an open internet board to ask which guerrilla group to join.

I am against people joining things that they don't know about enough to understand why to join or not.

I am against confusing wild fantasies with reasoned, viable projects.

I am against people not doing what they have to do in the place in which they live at this moment, and wanting to convince us that if they were in the proper place, they would do wonders.

I am against people going to places where they don't know the culture, perhaps not even the language, thinking that they will make a difference. If you feel you have to go to Somewheristan to fight, learn about its culture, learn its language, live there until you understand what is going on - and then join something.

What was that sentence about the guerrillas being among the peasantry like fish in the water - was it Mao, or Ho Chi Min?

I agree with devrim. This guy is dangerous.

Luís Henrique

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

Bring on the Revolution!!! After all: Resistance is growing in atleast parts of the USA. All it needs is a class perspective