Spanish king Juan Carlos I tells Chavez to shut up

[Herman]

He literally said "Why don't you shut up?"

Here's the article.

In Spanish: http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacion...lpepuint_13/Tes (http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Rey/Chavez/callas/elpepuint/20071110elpepuint_13/Tes)

In English: http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publi...cle_13530.shtml (http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_13530.shtml)

[Goatse]

Haha, brilliant

[Faux Real]

Lol. Yeah I figured that bastard would defend a fascist.

Why are representatives of Spain going to a Latin American summit anyway?

[Herman]

Why are representatives of Spain going to a Latin American summit anyway?

They happen to have the same language, so the Spanish leaders, still with their imperialist attitude, think they know what's best for latin America. Zapatero said he was going to invest more than 1,500 million euros to Latin America, so that everyone had access to drinking water and better rural conditions. Of course, Chavez and Ortega were completely right in denouncing the Spanish companies like REPSOL for their exploitation of Latin American's resources and workers.

I do think that perhaps Chavez should have calmed down though.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

SANTIAGO (Reuters) - Spain's King Juan Carlos told Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Saturday to "shut up" during closing speeches by leaders from the Latin world that brought the Ibero-American summit to an acrimonious end.

"Why don't you shut up?" the king shouted at Chavez, pointing a finger at the president when he tried to interrupt a speech by Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.

Zapatero was in the middle of a speech at the summit of mostly leftist leaders from Latin America, Portugal, Spain and Andorra, and was criticizing Chavez for calling former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar a fascist.

Chavez, a leading leftist foe of Washington, also attacked Spanish businessman Gerardo Diaz Ferran earlier in the week after he questioned the safety of foreign investments in Venezuela.

"I want to express to you President Hugo Chavez that in a forum where there are democratic governments ... one of the essential principles is respect," Zapatero told the leaders gathered in the Chilean capital, Santiago.

"You can disagree radically, without being disrespectful," Zapatero, a socialist, said sternly, drawing applause from some of the other heads of state.

Chavez, a former soldier, made his mark on the three-day summit from the start, announcing his arrival earlier in the week with defiant lyrics from a Mexican ballad.

"With the truth in hand, I do not offend, I do not fear," Chavez said on Saturday. "The government of Venezuela reserves the right to respond to any aggression."

PULP MILL FIGHT

The 19 leaders at the summit were nearly all leftists and the gathering was mostly friendly, although tension flared between neighbors Argentina and Uruguay over a controversial pulp mill along a border river.

Uruguay granted a long-awaited start-up permit to a Finnish group for the pulp mill on Thursday, drawing swift criticism from Argentina and deepening a long-running dispute.

The official theme of the summit was social cohesion, but many of the region's top leaders took advantage of the event to hold bilateral meetings on energy.

Latin American economies have expanded rapidly in recent years, putting pressure on energy supplies due to rising consumer demand and factory output in countries such as Chile and Argentina.

While most heads of state were due to leave Chile on Saturday, Chavez joined some of South America's most left-leaning leaders at a rally of about 3,000 people gathered for a "People's Summit" in a Santiago stadium.

Chavez interrupted his speech at the rally to call Cuba's Fidel Castro, who he considers his mentor. Chavez paraphrased a message from Castro congratulating Chileans who fought against former dictator Augusto Pinochet.

"Well Fidel, what a shame that we don't have speakerphone on this mobile, the people wanted to hear you," said Chavez, dressed in a red T-shirt.

Joining Chavez at the rally were Bolivia's Evo Morales, Cuban Vice President Carlos Lage and Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega. In his closing remarks from the leaders summit, Morales accused other countries of perceiving him as a lackey of the Venezuelan president.

"They treat us like animals because of the unconditional cooperation from comrade Hugo Chavez ... him as the big one and me as the little one," Morales told summit leaders.

[Colonello Buendia]

In these situations moderation is the best option. but I think the fact that he pissed of the king of spain clears him of wrong doing :D :lol:

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by King Fuckface
"Why don't you shut up?" the king shouted at Chavez
The nerve of that fuckmunch.

That 'king' looks like an asswipe, but I think getting cussed out by him makes Chavez look good. :)

[Herman]

The nerve of that fuckmunch.

That 'king' looks like an asswipe, but I think getting cussed out by him makes Chavez look good.

I know! Thing is, the Spanish media (newspapers, radio and TV) have all been supportive of the king saying things like, "It's time someone put that clown [Chavez] into place! Thanks your majesty!".

[R_P_A_S]

LOL. i watched this video. this was funny. I cant believe Spain still has a fucking King. fuck him

[PigmerikanMao]

Spain has a king? I thought they would've all died by now. :lol:

[Faux Real]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 04:52 pm
Spain has a king? I thought they would've all died by now. :lol:
Nah, he was handpicked by Franco as his personal successor to rule the country.

[Herman]

Nah, he was handpicked by Franco as his personal successor to rule the country.

Yup, and he's still there, sucking from our taxes to pay for his holidays, palaces, mansions, etc. His job is a piece of cake, he does nothing except attend a few events and visit some countries to "represent" Spain.

How I dream to establish the third republic!

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 10:55 pm

The nerve of that fuckmunch.

That 'king' looks like an asswipe, but I think getting cussed out by him makes Chavez look good.

I know! Thing is, the Spanish media (newspapers, radio and TV) have all been supportive of the king saying things like, "It's time someone put that clown [Chavez] into place! Thanks your majesty!".
Media, socialist or liberal, always worships symbolic head of states.

[RedStarOverChina]

Yeah, that&#39;s a heck of a refutation, "why don&#39;t you shut up?" <_<

[PigmerikanMao]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 12:59 am
Yeah, that&#39;s a heck of a refutation, "why don&#39;t you shut up?" <_<
Lol, at first I thought you were talking to Serpent. :lol:

[RedStarOverChina]

Originally posted by PigmerikanMao+November 10, 2007 08:17 pm--> (PigmerikanMao @ November 10, 2007 08:17 pm)
[email protected]ovember 11, 2007 12:59 am
Yeah, that&#39;s a heck of a refutation, "why don&#39;t you shut up?" <_<
Lol, at first I thought you were talking to Serpent. :lol: [/b]
No, we don&#39;t talk to each other. ;)

[ComradeR]

"Why don&#39;t you shut up?"
Worst, refutation, ever.

[RedAnarchist]

Why was the King accepted in Spain after Franco? Was there no opposition to him?

[Raúl Duke]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 07:48 am
Why was the King accepted in Spain after Franco? Was there no opposition to him?
Maybe the white terror after the civil war and further suppression minimized the opposition...etc.

[Colonello Buendia]

sounds plausible, I mean in some towns there is still the fascist bars and the republican bars. sort of like America before Martin Luther King had an effect

[Herman]

Why was the King accepted in Spain after Franco? Was there no opposition to him?

He was supported by centrist parties, but mostly he was forced to be king by Franco himself. Spanish people "thank" him for allowing "democracy" to be born. Even the PCE accepted the king during the transition (of course, the PCE was eurocommunist so what would you expect?).
Also, in 1981 (or 1982 can&#39;t remember), there was a coup attempt by some of the most facist generals in the army. The king is also thanked for having "stoop up" against this coup.

[Colonello Buendia]

I think he probably only fought the coup because he enjoys the power

[вор в законе]

Put his head in the guillotine.

[metalero]

Redherman, I supposed you&#39;re from Spain, I can&#39;t imagine the fucking liberal media praising the bastard autocrat, maybe he got so offended since Chavez called his lackey Aznar fascist and reminded him of the brutal legacy Franco handed to him; Or perhaps he tought he was still talking to his servants in the colonies, since Uribe and some other latin american pricks act just like that. I&#39;m glad Chavez stood up to defend Venezuela and the other leftists movements from the constant verbal agression coming from Aznar and the spanish oligarchy. It also seemed quite hypocrite from Zapatero to demand respect for aznar while ignoring his constant attacks to venezuela, and his support of the coup in 2002. Is there any newspaper is spain covering the new without the all "majesty" crap? any statement from Izquierda unida?

[Schrödinger's Cat]

I would have preferred Chavez respond, "Why don&#39;t you resign?"

What right does Spain have at a Latin American summit?

[Devrim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 11:35 pm
LOL. i watched this video. this was funny. I cant believe Spain still has a fucking King. fuck him
Yes, seven of the EU&#39;s 27 states are monarchies.
Devrim

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by devrimankara+November 11, 2007 06:32 pm--> (devrimankara @ November 11, 2007 06:32 pm)
[email protected] 10, 2007 11:35 pm
LOL. i watched this video. this was funny. I cant believe Spain still has a fucking King. fuck him
Yes, seven of the EU&#39;s 27 states are monarchies.
Devrim [/b]
Yup. Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Britain.

[Eleftherios]

I can&#39;t believe a head of state that wasn&#39;t even elected had the nerve to tell Chavez, head of one of the most democratic countries on earth, to shut up. Kings shouldn&#39;t even be around anymore.

[Devrim]

Originally posted by Van Binsbergen+November 11, 2007 06:42 pm--> (Van Binsbergen @ November 11, 2007 06:42 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 06:32 pm

[email protected] 10, 2007 11:35 pm
LOL. i watched this video. this was funny. I cant believe Spain still has a fucking King. fuck him
Yes, seven of the EU&#39;s 27 states are monarchies.
Devrim
Yup. Spain, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Britain. [/b]
Norway isn&#39;t a member, Luxembourg is.
Devrim

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Chavez, a former soldier, made his mark on the three-day summit from the start, announcing his arrival earlier in the week with defiant lyrics from a Mexican ballad.

In regards to the author of the article... Why is the fact that he is a former soldier relevant here?

[UndergroundConnexion]

what a **** that juan carlos.
Saying bullshit like this , but then walking away when Ortega , very politely says something that displeases him. What a disgusting appearance that king

[bootleg42]

I wish wish a slow painful cancer on the king.

[Red Rebel]

I don&#39;t really see how I can expand on this besides saying lol.

[Herman]

Redherman, I supposed you&#39;re from Spain, I can&#39;t imagine the fucking liberal media praising the bastard autocrat, maybe he got so offended since Chavez called his lackey Aznar fascist and reminded him of the brutal legacy Franco handed to him; Or perhaps he tought he was still talking to his servants in the colonies, since Uribe and some other latin american pricks act just like that.

It might be hard to imagine, but it&#39;s true. For example I was watching the news in The Sixth (La Sexta, a Spanish channel) and the news woman (can&#39;t remember how to say the word in English) was there all serious, when suddenly she says this, "...and Chavez, who could have bit his tongue, was told by the king, "Why don&#39;t you shut up?". And there is a general feeling in Spain (as in most other countries) that there is no "left" or "right" in politics, that it&#39;s just about giving solutions to current problems. People believe that "centrism" is good whereas "extremes" are bad&#33;


I&#39;m glad Chavez stood up to defend Venezuela and the other leftists movements from the constant verbal agression coming from Aznar and the spanish oligarchy. It also seemed quite hypocrite from Zapatero to demand respect for aznar while ignoring his constant attacks to venezuela, and his support of the coup in 2002. Is there any newspaper is spain covering the new without the all "majesty" crap? any statement from Izquierda unida?

Well, Izquierda Unida&#39;s most prominent representative Gaspar Llamazares said that it was "incorrect" that the king lost his nerve with Chavez.

[ComradeR]

Originally posted by Karl Marx&#39;s [email protected] 11, 2007 08:38 pm

Chavez, a former soldier, made his mark on the three-day summit from the start, announcing his arrival earlier in the week with defiant lyrics from a Mexican ballad.

In regards to the author of the article... Why is the fact that he is a former soldier relevant here?
I would say it&#39;s more of the same old trying to paint Chavez as a militaristic despot bull.

[Wanted Man]

Devrim: I knew that, I was just keeping you all on your toes&#33; :P

Bootleg: right. Thanks for your contribution, I&#39;m sure everyone will love it.

Anyway, Chávez has hit back today. He said that the king acted like a crazy bull, but "I am a great bullfighter, olé&#33;" He also suggested that Spain pledged its support to Carmona during the 2002 coup, and that the king personally authorized it. (source (http://www.planet.nl/planet/show/id=67777/contentid=896396/sc=49e1d2))

Personally, I think Chávez could have expressed himself differently, as it is sometimes better to shut up, but he is definitely in the right. I also would not see the need to be polite if someone talked to me like a colonial subject, or acted as an apologist for Aznar&#39;s government, which did some fucked up things to say the least. Politeness does not mean that you can&#39;t show a man like Aznar for what he is.

[ComradeR]

It&#39;s just simply amazing what kind of idiotic views some people have on this. Did you read some of those comments on that article? Good god it&#39;s painful I couldn&#39;t even get through half of them.

[Wanted Man]

Very funny comments, indeed. I&#39;m sure that Juan Carlos is a lovely guy. Born in Italy in 1938, got into a gun accident which killed his brother in 1956, lived in the comforts of the fascist regime and ardently supported Franco until it was no longer profitable to do so. Sounds like a great fellow.

[blackstone]

Sometimes i wish Chavez will shut up too

[marcelina44]

i agree with the comments on the board, and chavez has a point- but sometimes you just have to do it a bit differently. and like the post above me, sometimes i wish he would shut up too. anyways...i don&#39;t know what else to say. i just thought it was kind of rude how he was interupting the guy over and over again.

[piet11111]

Originally posted by Karl Marx&#39;s [email protected] 11, 2007 08:38 pm

Chavez, a former soldier, made his mark on the three-day summit from the start, announcing his arrival earlier in the week with defiant lyrics from a Mexican ballad.

In regards to the author of the article... Why is the fact that he is a former soldier relevant here?
soldiers have the reputation of being rude and not too smart.

[Le Libérer]

King Juan Carlos is a fascist&#33; Jolly well to Chavez for telling it like it is&#33;

I ncan just invision the King fanning the air with his little red handkerchief as he spouts, "Chut up&#33;" :)

[The Living Red]

Agree with all the above. Why should Chavez sit and listen politely to a speech by a man who supported an undemocratic coup against him?

Can anyone provide a source as to the relationship between the King and the Fascist regime? It sounds very interesting.

[Cheung Mo]

Why is Zapatero reading off the same lieberal talking points about Chavez as DNC trash like Nancy Pelosi?

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Originally posted by The Living [email protected] 12, 2007 05:09 pm
Agree with all the above. Why should Chavez sit and listen politely to a speech by a man who supported an undemocratic coup against him?

Can anyone provide a source as to the relationship between the King and the Fascist regime? It sounds very interesting.
If it had been an American coup, the King would be looking at having his head strung through a noose. I can&#39;t blame people, though. The corporate media has successfully convinced the population that Chavez is preparing to ascend as dictator.

[erupt]

Ughh, another "king".

Tssk, tssk, tssk.

[Cheung Mo]

Chavez: Hand-picked by 65% of Venezuelans.

Juan Carlos: Hand-picked by a fascist general who won a dirty war due to Western money and Stalinist betrayal.