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Lenin II
10th November 2007, 05:59
So, I'm hearing more and more about this new Party called the National Bolshevik Party.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/National-Bolshevik-Party.png/800px-National-Bolshevik-Party.png

Does anyone know about their basic beliefs, practices, etc? I hear they are anti-capitalist, but also racist. If anyone has any information about these guys, please post.

bootleg42
10th November 2007, 06:31
They're fascist or just plain ULTRA-nationalists.

I mean they admired the old days of the Soviet Union (after Lenin of course when the revolution was betrayed) because Russia at that time was a world power (hence the reason why they're nationalist).

They are racist and FAR and ULTRA right- wing. They are extremely racist and can be put in the same category as neo-fascists and even some nazi parties in the world.

If anyone knows more about them, please do post. We need people to know that these people are not communists, nor are they leftists.

BobKKKindle$
10th November 2007, 06:37
The 'National Bolsheviks' comprises part of the 'Other Russia' coalition, which also includes several other political organizations and is the main opposition to Putin's government – although Putin's popularity has this far prevented them from attaining electoral success or building up a strong support base, even in regions that have been unable to benefit from sustained economic growth.

As you suggest, the party is based on a synthesis of ideas from opposition ends of the political spectrum and as such do not have any clear political orientation or policy proposals. This party should be treated as a fascist organization that aims to create internal divisions within the working class and serves as an imperative to establish an alternative organization that combines a radical critique of Russia's transition to a market economy with the struggle against all forms of racial discrimination. The current Communist party is based on nostalgia for the Soviet Union and draws its support primarily from the elderly who have suffered as a result of pension reductions – this party has also supported protests against the expansion of homosexual rights.

Tatarin
10th November 2007, 15:39
The nazbols also aims to take control of Europe and make it a part of their new Russian Empire. Aren't they also associated with strasserism?

PigmerikanMao
10th November 2007, 15:42
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevik_Party

Dros
10th November 2007, 15:50
The National Bolsheviks were third possition fascists. Notice the similarity to the Nazi banner.

Ismail
10th November 2007, 20:04
Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 10:50 am
The National Bolsheviks were third possition fascists. Notice the similarity to the Nazi banner.
Correct. Their image of Stalin is the typical "OH GOD HE WAS SO RUTHLESS I JUST CAME" which attracts 13-year-old powerhungry teenagers. (And sadly, 20-50 year old Russian men)

They're not Communists, nor Socialists. They have a bastardized view of Stalin that does not recognize his scientific and ideological contributions to Marxist-Leninism nor realizes his policies were due to the socio-economic conditions of the Soviet Union at that time. Anyone who does not support immigration rights, for example, and claims to be a hardline Communist may be a National "Bolshevik".

Lenin II
12th November 2007, 06:24
Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 03:50 pm
The National Bolsheviks were third possition fascists. Notice the similarity to the Nazi banner.
Oh, believe me, I did. Apparently they took the whole "National Socialist" thing literally. And yes, they are associated with Strasserism. I just don't understand this type of thinking. How can they support someone such as Stalin and an egalitarian society when by nature such a society cannot be "Strasserized?"

Ah, there I go again, trying to apply logic and reason to right-wing ideology. I cannot, because there is none.

long_live_the_revolution
12th November 2007, 16:01
i would like to hear russians, on this topic, they surely know more about this(i dont know mybe they already posted)

Goatse
12th November 2007, 16:33
The NB is just a group nostalgic of the Soviet Union... just fascists I guess.

Marxist Napoleon
12th November 2007, 19:29
They're stupid fascist-racist Hitler-lovers. They're absolutely insane and communists should make every effort to resist them. My guess is that they've received so much support in Russia is because capitalism obviously isn't working, there is a history of racist sentiment in Russia, and kids are looking towards the "glory days" of Stalin's Russia.

Cheung Mo
12th November 2007, 23:36
Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 06:37 am
The 'National Bolsheviks' comprises part of the 'Other Russia' coalition, which also includes several other political organizations and is the main opposition to Putin's government – although Putin's popularity has this far prevented them from attaining electoral success or building up a strong support base, even in regions that have been unable to benefit from sustained economic growth.

As you suggest, the party is based on a synthesis of ideas from opposition ends of the political spectrum and as such do not have any clear political orientation or policy proposals. This party should be treated as a fascist organization that aims to create internal divisions within the working class and serves as an imperative to establish an alternative organization that combines a radical critique of Russia's transition to a market economy with the struggle against all forms of racial discrimination. The current Communist party is based on nostalgia for the Soviet Union and draws its support primarily from the elderly who have suffered as a result of pension reductions – this party has also supported protests against the expansion of homosexual rights.
Every time an official from the "Communist" Party of the Russian Federation opens their mouth, I hear praise of Russian glory, of Stalin, and of nationalism but nothing of liberation, and human dignity, and revolutionary socdial progress.

IF they don't shape up, even the likes of Kasparov and Gorby would be much better.

Lenin II
11th January 2008, 20:02
I've heard thatthey support fascist corporatism and also the division of several races. is this true? Also, could someone define "corporatism" for me? I believe it has something to do with the hypotehtical fascist government empowering the petit-bourgeoisie. If the Nazbols support these practices, how can they call themselves anti-capitalist? Wouldn't this theory merely be another form of capitalism?

spartan
11th January 2008, 20:18
I've heard thatthey support fascist corporatism and also the division of several races. is this true? Also, could someone define "corporatism" for me? I believe it has something to do with the hypotehtical fascist government empowering the petit-bourgeoisie. If the Nazbols support these practices, how can they call themselves anti-capitalist? Wouldn't this theory merely be another form of capitalism?

They want to copy the old USSR Bureaucracy which was basically just one big corporation owning and controlling all productive forces in the terrirtory under its jurisdiction.

They want to unite the whole of the former USSR with all of Europe into a new superpower called Eurasia (1984 anyone?) which will basically be a racist version of the old USSR with its political and economic system and with Russian culture being the dominant culture of this "Eurasia".

They believe that this new society should be split into certain classes such as the workers, Bureaucracy and the leadership.

They believe that only white people (Though i think this could include Asian people) will live in this "Eurasia" and build "Socialism".

They are basically the same as most Stalin lovers here on revleft but with racism and more Fascist rhetoric thrown in (Something old "comrade" Stalin would have approved of no doubt seeing how he started persecuting Jews near the end of his reign).

Indeed the Communist party in Russia (The party that ruled and used to be the only party allowed in the USSR) used to allow the Natzbols to attend demonstrations side by side with them!

I think that the Natzbols prove that making the jump from Fascism to Stalinism and vice versa isnt that big a leap at all.

communard resolution
23rd May 2008, 02:22
They want to copy the old USSR Bureaucracy which was basically just one big corporation owning and controlling all productive forces in the terrirtory under its jurisdiction.

They want to unite the whole of the former USSR with all of Europe into a new superpower called Eurasia (1984 anyone?) which will basically be a racist version of the old USSR with its political and economic system and with Russian culture being the dominant culture of this "Eurasia".

They believe that this new society should be split into certain classes such as the workers, Bureaucracy and the leadership.

They believe that only white people (Though i think this could include Asian people) will live in this "Eurasia" and build "Socialism".

They are basically the same as most Stalin lovers here on revleft but with racism and more Fascist rhetoric thrown in (Something old "comrade" Stalin would have approved of no doubt seeing how he started persecuting Jews near the end of his reign).

Indeed the Communist party in Russia (The party that ruled and used to be the only party allowed in the USSR) used to allow the Natzbols to attend demonstrations side by side with them!

I think that the Natzbols prove that making the jump from Fascism to Stalinism and vice versa isnt that big a leap at all.

I'm not so sure they are racist. I often hear that claim, but haven't found any evidence. I understand they are ultra-nationalist, and I believe their party program states something along the lines of "anyone can be a good Russian, regardless of race, as long as they are ready to give everything/die for the great Motherland Russia, blah blah blah". They do seem to be anti-immigration for good measure, but in a mainstream rightwing way rather than in a 'racially conscious'/White Nationalist one.

I hear they're a very mixed bag and rather confused: depending on who you talk to, some NazBols are closer to Stalinist 'national socialism', others closer to Strasserist 'national socialism', and others still favour Mussolini style corporatism.

An anarchist from St Petersburg tells me they're not a very violent bunch and don't get involved in hate crimes, fascist street violence etc, so at least that's something. In fact, most of the time they try to recruit both leftists and nazis into their ranks and usually get beaten up by both. :lol:

Then there's also stories how in the early 90s, the NBP was formed by a bunch of attention-hungry artists and ex-punks who just wanted to stir some controversy. After the downfall of the Soviet Union, these ex-dissidents feared they might be rendered obsolete and thought "let's mix all the ideologies that are opposed to liberal capitalism into one" in order to raise maximum sand. But as membership grew, the NazBol party turned into an increasingly serious fascist movement. That's just one version of the story, though.

I'm never quite sure how seriously to take the NazBols. Their appeal is mainly in Soviet nostalgia and their admiration of Stalin for being a strong leader who turned the Soviet Union into a superpower, sent millions to the Gulag, etc. So they seem to represent a specifically Russian brand of fascism. But despite their love for everything totalitarian, my impression is that they're really the party of choice for self-important attention seekers who are just into the aesthetics of "radicalism".

BIG BROTHER
23rd May 2008, 02:52
I find it disturbing that with all the shit that its out there in the world already, a facist movement like this one is desecrating the name of communism, and it just divides working class(in this clase the russian ones) eve more.

Is there any actual communist party in russia? One that isn't facist or revisionist?

Bear MacMillan
23rd May 2008, 03:00
I don't know if the organization followed in these movies are National Bolsheviks, but their rhetoric pretty much sounds the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rra6R8RUwy8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vchq2hvdZ8k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb58x7pXAVA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-Jb-JRE3ck&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ncs02Esdf0&feature=related

I can't find the 6th video, but I think this is enough.

3A CCCP
23rd May 2008, 04:37
Comrades:

I am attaching to this post my English translation of the Russian National Bolshevik Party Program (1994). The original Russian version is below my English translation or you can go to the Russian National Bolshevik Party website:

http://nbp-info.ru/new/partia/programm.html (http://nbp-info.ru/new/partia/programm.html)

Photos and more recent items can be found at (also in Russian):
http://nazbol.ru/

The Russian NBP's English website doesn't have the program and alot less
information than their main Russian language site.

3A CCCP!
Mikhail

THE PROGRAM OF THE NATIONAL BOLSHEVIK PARTY (1994)

ESSENCE OF THE IDEOLOGY
1. The essence of National Bolshevism - incinerating hate for the
anti-human system of the trinity of liberalism/democracy/capitalism.
The persona of revolt, the National Bolshevik sees his mission in the
destruction of the SYSTEM to the foundation. On the ideals of
spiritual courage, social and national justice will be built a
traditional hierarchical society.

ENEMIES
2. External enemies of National Bolshevism: The Big Satan - USA
and monopolists of Europe, United in NATO and the UN. Internal
enemies: the class of "sports jackets" - boyar bureaucrats,
robber "new" Russians, the cosmopolitan intelligentsia.

GOAL
3. The global goal of National-Bolshevism is the creation of an
empire from Vladivostok to Gibraltor on the basis of Russian
civilization. The goal will be achieved in four stages:
a) thechanging of the Russian Federation into the national state of Russia
by means of revolution,
b) the annexation of the territories of the former Soviet republics that are populated by Russians,
c) A coming together around the Russian Eurasian peoples of the former USSR,
d) the creation of a gigantic continental Empire.

THE STATE
4. Upon coming to power, the NBP will conduct a revolutionary, in
its scale, reformation in Russia, will build a TOTAL STATE, the
rights of the individual will take a back seat to the rights of the
nation. Inside the country there will be established iron Russian
order, a climate of discipline, militarism, and the love of labor.

5. The Parliament of Russia will consist of two chambers: the
Chamber of Deputies (450 seats) will be elected and the legislative
chamber; the Chamber of Representatives (900 seats), will be the
non-elected consultative chamber. Representatives of the People
will be appointed to the second chamber by the Peoples'
recommendation; there will be represented professions, ages, social
and religious authorities. The head of the government will rely on
the Chamber of Representatives, receiving recommendations from it.

6. Russia will be divided into strategic districts that will be
ruled from the center. National republics and regions will be
abolished, and their "presidents" dispersed.

GEOPOLITICAL
7. We will denounce the Byelovyezhsky Treaty and, as a result, the
borders of Russia will be reviewed. We will unite all Russians in
one state. The territories broken away from our "republic" where
the Russian population is over 50% will be annexed to Russia by
means of local referendums that will be assisted by Russia (Crimea,
northern Kazakhstan, Narvsky r-n, etc.). The desire by national
minorities for separatism will by mercilessly crushed.

8. In external politics we will turn our back on the United States
and look to Asia. On the continent there is the possibility of
friendship with Germany, Iran, India, and Japan.

9. We will terminate all treaties with the West. First and
foremost, we will send the International Monetary Fund treaty to
hell. We will refuse to pay credits and arrest all foreign
investment in Russia. We will throw out the dollar under a back
leg, stop the aggressive invasion of foreign goods and their low
life mass culture, lower a protective iron curtain on our borders.
Entry into the world market economy killed the economy of Russia.
It is harmful to us. Russia has everything.

ECONOMY
10. Russian Socialism will be created, an economic system oriented
on the welfare of the majority of the population. The economy will
be built on the principle of progressive nationalization. If 5
people work at an enterprise it is able to be private, 55 - it
should be a collective, 555 - it is in the possession of the region,
5,555 - it belongs to the state. During the interim period the NBP
will establish an economic dictatorship.

11. Soldiers, people on a budget, pensioners, the entire lower paid
layer of the population will be completely exempt from paying
taxes. Housing will be gratuitously given over to the people
living there. Empty apartments will be given to the veterans of
Chechnya and Afghanistan, to families with many children and young
families. We will establish a level of salaries not lower than the
minimum needed to live, the cost of apartments and utilities will be
frozen, We will impose firmly fixed prices on the basic food
products: bread, potatoes, butter, groats, milk and meat.

12. Land will only belong to the State, that is to everyone.
Income from its leasing will go into the State Budget. The State
will encourage large specialized facilities based on Collective and
State Farms and any facility of a new type that would benefit the
people.

13. The State will have the exclusive right to export and sell raw
materials, electro-energy, precious metals, gas, oil, and arms.
Gold will be produced exclusively by the State. The arms
manufacturing industry will also belong to the State.

14. The goal of the economic reforms of the NBL will be the
creation of the full economic independence of Russia.

CULTURE, SCIENCE, FREEDOMS
15. The NBP firmly believes that culture should grow like a wild
tree. We don't intend to prune the tree. Full freedom, "Do what
you wish" will be the one rule.

16. All fundamental science that is vital to our nation will have
priority funding from the State Budget. We will create heavenly
conditions for scientists and inventors.

17. The freedom of the nation from the aggression of capitalism is
the trade off of the freedom of individualism. The NBP is for
contemporary modernization, vanguard, but we are extreme opponents
of forcibly tying us to Western values and overseas "master-
teachers."

PUNISHMENTS
18. We will try and punish those guilty of crimes against the
State, that were committed by the highest ranking government
officials from January 1, 1986.

19. We will confiscate all income and savings of those who caused
Russia economic damage by having fooled and manipulated their fellow
citizens from January 1, 1986.

20. Inside the State Security System a special section will be
formed for the return of Russian capital flowing abroad. The
thieves will be seized there and will be forced to return all that
was stolen. The heads of criminal Funds, banks, and companies will
be given over to the concern of the investors.

21. We will annihilate the criminal world. Its best
representatives will go over to the service of the nation and
State. The rest will be destroyed by military means.

22. Former bureaucrats of the CPSS right up to the level of
Secretaries of the savkomovs will be forbidden to be involved in
political and commercial operations.

THE RANKS
23. The NBP is neither a left or right wing party, but a national
party of the Russian people. Being Russian is not determined by
blood or by religious conviction. HE WHO CONSIDERS THE RUSSIAN
LANGUAGE HIS, THE HISTORY OF RUSSIA HIS HISTORY, WHO SPILLS AND IS
PREPARED TO SPILL HIS AND FOREIGN BLOOD IN THE NAME OF RUSSIA, AND
ONLY FOR RUSSIA'S SAKE, AND DOES NOT THINK OF ANOTHER NATION AS HIS
MOTHERLAND, IS RUSSIAN.

24. The NBP in its activities relies exclusively on the actively
participating minority. Above all on the socially disaffected
youth, country people, "businessmen", workers, soldiers, students,
marginals, police officers. Russia will always belong to us.

SLOGAN, GREETING, BANNER
25. The slogan is: "Russia is all - everything else is nothing!"
The greeting is: A closed fist thrown forward and then to the side
while saying: "Yes, Death!" The banner is red with a white circle
in the middle, in the circle a black hammer and sickle. The Party
symbol is the image of a hand grenade, "limonka" (little lemon -
Russian slang for hand grenade. - Mikhail)
1994

ПРОГРАММА НАЦИОНАЛ-БОЛЬШЕВИСТСКОЙ ПАРТИИСУЩНОСТЬ ИДЕОЛОГИИ

1. Сущность национал-большевизма - испепеляющая ненависть к античеловеческой СИСТЕМЕ троицы: либерализма/демократии/капитализма. Человек восстания, национал-большевик видит свою миссию в разрушении СИСТЕМЫ до основания. На идеалах духовной мужественности, социальной и национальной справедливости будет построено традиционалистическое, иерархическое общество.

ВРАГИ

2. Внешние враги национал-большевизма : Большой Сатана - США и мондиалисты Европы, объединенные в НАТО и ООН. Внутренние враги: класс "пиджаков" - бояр-чиновников, мародеры-новые русские, космополитическая интеллигенция.

ЦЕЛЬ

3. Глобальная цель национал-большевизма создание Империи от Владивостока до Гибралтара на базе русской цивилизации. Цель будет достигнута в четыре этапа: а) Превращение РФ в национальное государство Россию путем Русской Революции, б) Присоединение населенных русскими территорий бывших союзных республик, в) Сплочение вокруг русских евразийских народов бывшего СССР. г) Создание гигантской континентальной Империи.

ГОСУДАРСТВО

4. Придя к власти, НБП произведет революционные по своим масштабам преобразования в России, построит ТОТАЛЬНОЕ ГОСУДАРСТВО, права человека уступят место правам нации. Внутри страны будет установлен железный русский порядок, климат дисциплины, воинственности и трудолюбия.

5. Парламент России будет состоять из двух палат: Палата депутатов (450 мест) будет законодательной и выборной: второй палатой станет Палата представителей (900 мест), совещательная и невыборная. Во вторую палату будут выдвигаться представители народа по народным предложениям: представлены будут профессии, возрасты, авторитеты общественные и религиозные. Глава правительства будет опираться на Палату представителей, получая от нее рекомендации.

6. Россия будет разделена на управляемые из центра стратегические округа; национальные республики и края будут упразднены, а их "президенты" разогнаны.

ГЕОПОЛИТИКА

7. Денонсируем Беловежский договор, и как следствие, границы России будут пересмотрены. Объединим всех русских в одном государстве. Территории отколовшихся от нас "республик", где русское население составляет более 50%, будут присоединены к России путем проведения местных референдумов и их поддержки Россией (Крым, Северный Казахстан, Нарвский р-н и пр.) Стремления нац. меньшинств к сепаратизму будут безжалостно подавлены.

8. Во внешней политике повернемся к США спиной, лицом к Азии. На континенте возможна дружба с Германией, Ираном, Индией, Японией.

9. Расторгнем все договора с Западом. Прежде всего пошлем МВФ на три буквы. Откажемся отдавать кредиты и арестуем все иностранные вложения в России. Доллар вышвырнем от нас под зад ногой. Дабы остановить агрессивное нашествие иностранных товаров и их низкопробной масскультуры, опустим железный оградительный занавес на наших границах. Вступление в мировую рыночную экономику убило экономику России. Нам оно вредно. В России есть все.

ЭКОНОМИКА

10. Будет создан Русский Социализм, экономическая система, ориентированная на благо большинства населения. Экономика будет основана на принципе прогрессивной национализации. 5 человек работает на предприятии - оно может быть частным, 55 - должно быть коллективным, 555 - находится в собственности региональной, 5555 - принадлежит государству. В переходный период НБП установит экономическую диктатуру.

11. Военнослужащие, бюджетники, пенсионеры, все низкооплачиваемые слои населения будут полностью освобождены от налогов. Жилье будет безвозмездно передано в пользование проживающих в нем. Ветеранам войн в Чечне и Афганистане, многодетным и молодым семьям будут переданы пустующие квартиры. Установим уровень зарплаты не ниже прожиточного минимума, квартирная и плата за коммунальные услуги будут заморожены. Введем твердые, фиксированные цены на основные продукты питания: хлеб, картошку, масло, крупы, молоко, говядину.

12. Земля будет принадлежать только государству, т.е. всем нам. Доходы от ее аренды будут поступать в госбюджет. Государство будет поощрять крупные специализированные хозяйства как на базе колхозов и совхозов, так и любые хозяйства нового типа, приносящие пользу нации.

13. Вывоз и продажу вне России сырья, электроэнергии, драгоценных металлов, газа, нефти и оружия, а также золота будет производить исключительно государство. Ему же будет принадлежать оборонная промышленность.

14. Целью экономических реформ НБП будет создание полной хозяйственной автаркии (самодостаточности) России.

КУЛЬТУРА. НАУКА. СВОБОДЫ.

15. НБП твердо уверена, что культура должна расти как дикое дерево. Подстригать ее мы не собираемся. Полная свобода. "Делай, что хочешь" будет твоим единственным законом.

16. Все жизненно важные для нации фундаментальные науки будут приоритетно финансироваться из бюджета государства. Ученым и изобретателям создадим райские условия.

17. Свобода нации от агрессии мондиализма является залогом свободы индивидуума. НБП - за современность, модернизацию, авангард, но мы оголтелые противники насильственного навязывания нам западных ценностей и заморских "господ- учителей".

НАКАЗАНИЯ

18. Будем судить и накажем виновных за государственные преступления, совершенные высшими должностными лицами государства с 1 января 1986 года.

19. Конфискуем все доходы и сбережения лиц, причинивших России экономический ущерб, обманувших и обобравших сограждан с 1 января 1986 года.

20. При госбезопасности будет сформирован спецотдел для возвращения русских капиталов, утекших заграницу. Воры будут захвачены и там, и будут принуждены отдать награбленное. Руководители мошеннических фондов, банков и кампаний будут отданы на растерзание вкладчиков.

21. Разгромим преступный мир. Лучшие его представители пойдут на службу нации и государства. Остальные будут уничтожены военными методами.

22. Бывшим чиновникам КПСС вплоть до уровня секретарей завкомов запретим заниматься и политической, и коммерческой деятельностью. Запрещение не будет распространяться на рядовых членов КПСС.

КАДРЫ

23. НБП не левая и не правая, но национальная партия русских. Русский определяется не по крови и не по вероисповеданию. ТОТ, КТО СЧИТАЕТ РУССКИЙ ЯЗЫК И РУССКУЮ КУЛЬТУРУ СВОИМИ, ИСТОРИЮ РОССИИ - СВОЕЙ ИСТОРИЕЙ, КТО ПРОЛИЛ И ГОТОВ ПРОЛИТЬ СВОЮ И ЧУЖУЮ КРОВЬ ВО ИМЯ РОССИИ И ТОЛЬКО РАДИ НЕЕ, И НИКАКОЙ ДРУГОЙ РОДИНЫ И НАЦИИ НЕ МЫСЛИТ, ЕСТЬ РУССКИЙ.

24. НБП опирается в своей деятельности исключительно на активное меньшинство. Прежде всего на социально неудовлетворенную молодежь: провинциалов, "предпринимателей", рабочих, военных, студентов, маргиналов, милиционеров. Кто был ничем, тот станет Дзержинским, Геббельсом, Молотовым, Ворошиловым, Чиано, Герингом, Жуковым. Россия вся будет принадлежать нам.

25. В целях предотвращения вырождения правящей верхушки, как это случилось с КПСС, НБП будет осуществлять перманентную революцию и чистки в своих, и не только в своих, рядах.

ЛОЗУНГ. ПРИВЕТСТВИЕ. ЗНАМЯ

26. Лозунг НБП: "Россия - все, остальное ничто!" Приветствие: выброшенная вперед и в сторону рука со сжатым кулаком, и возглас: "Да, смерть!". Знамя красное, с белым кругом посередине, в круге черные серп и молот. Партийный символ: изображение гранаты "лимонки".


1994 г.
[ ПАРТИЯ ] (http://nbp-info.ru/new/partia/index.html)

BIG BROTHER
23rd May 2008, 05:14
that has written NAZI all over it.

communard resolution
23rd May 2008, 11:12
Thanks for posting this, 3A CCCP. Any idea whether this has been amended since 1994? As far as I'm aware, part of the NazBols have since separated from Limonov and have formed their own "National Bolshevik Front" splinter group because Limonov was becoming too much of a liberal? Presumably, these NazBol diehards were the ones who actually took the party and its pathetic programme seriously - unlike media savvy attention whore Eduard Limonov who just seeks personal power and fame through controversy.

Re point 2: funny how they throw Islamist speak into the mix - the "Big Satan" USA? :lol: I saw a NazBol propaganda poster that depicted the Ayatollah Khoemeni with the NazBol flag. I guess Khoemeni is a sufficiently reactionary asshole to be considered a honorary National Bolshevik, never mind his specific ideology.

Re point 3: They're obviously calling for war, which could be dangerous if they ever gain any real power. Chances are they won't, though.

Point 7 seems to be the "Anschluss" and Danzig Corridor bit.

Point 9 is like their pledge to nullify the Versailles Treaty. One can't help sympathizing with their intention to kick capitalism out of the country, but they seem to draw a distinction between good/'national' capital and bad/international capital just like the Nazis did. Which is obviously a ridiculous and deceptive concept by any stretch.

Re point 10: Here's the Strasserite element. Strasser's brand of 'socialism' placed a heavy emphasis on protecting the interests of the petty bourgeoisie and small businesses. The NazBols still manage to make it sound somewhat arty/conceptual, though: how about those stylish 55, 555, 5555, etc figures? :lol:

Re point 23: Yeah, that's the one I was referring to in my previous post. So at least they aren't racist. Note how they don't mention immigration in their programme at all: it doesn't seem to be central to their rhetoric. They have made public statements about "limiting immigration", but I think that's just catering towards the broader public sentiments in Russia, which at present are extremely xenophobic: "Immigration? Um... oh yeah, of course we want to limit it, so there you go". Compared to the parties that are currently in the Duma, the NazBols' xenophobia seems rather mild.

Re point 15: I love how they honour their roots by nodding to all the eccentric/confused/attention-seeking artists that make up half of their followers. How the libertarian "wild tree of culture" is supposed to merge with the "iron Russian order, a climate of discipline, militarism, and the love of labor" they promise in point 5 is anyone's guess.

3A CCCP
23rd May 2008, 13:07
[quote=Caligula Z;1152973]Thanks for posting this, 3A CCCP. Any idea whether this has been amended since 1994? As far as I'm aware, part of the NazBols have since separated from Limonov and have formed their own "National Bolshevik Front" splinter group because Limonov was becoming too much of a liberal? Presumably, these NazBol diehards were the ones who actually took the party and its pathetic programme seriously - unlike media savvy attention whore Eduard Limonov who just seeks personal power and fame through controversy.


I looked over the site quickly and found a 2004 Party Program that isn't as detailed, but isn't really any different in substance from the 1994 program.

From the quick perusal of their site it looks like Limonov is still in firm control of the Party. He just wrote an article on May 21st about the "National Assembly" ("other" Russia meeting) in St. Petersburg and NazBol participation.

I found the site of the Eurasian Union of Youth with whom the National Bolshevik Front united:

http://russia3.ru/zayavlenie_nbf?PHPSESSID=32be4bc8998dc7949d31c8dd2 c02e72c

In short, they praise the NBF for breaking off with Limonov and babble about how they are brothers in arms. I have to work on Saturday, but if I have time I could do a translation of some stuff.

3A CCCP!
Mikhail

communard resolution
23rd May 2008, 18:59
I have to work on Saturday, but if I have time I could do a translation of some stuff.

That would be amazing, Mikhail. By the way, are you familiar at all with Yegor Letov and Grazhdanskaya Oborona?

Unicorn
24th May 2008, 08:07
They are basically the same as most Stalin lovers here on revleft but with racism and more Fascist rhetoric thrown in (Something old "comrade" Stalin would have approved of no doubt seeing how he started persecuting Jews near the end of his reign).
Think what you want of Stalin but he was NOT a racist.

communard resolution
24th May 2008, 08:53
Think what you want of Stalin but he was NOT a racist.

If it's true that Stalin started persecuting Jews as spartan claims, does it really matter whether he was a racist at heart or not?

Back to NazBols.

3A CCCP
24th May 2008, 13:11
If it's true that Stalin started persecuting Jews as spartan claims, does it really matter whether he was a racist at heart or not?

Back to NazBols.

I don't have time today to argue about the slanders against comrade Stalin. However, he was not NOT an anti-semite or a racist (at heart or otherwise) as spartan claims. This is off-topic, but so were other remarks ripping the Soviet Union in a number of posts. I ignored them up to this point so as not to drag this interesting thread into an off-topic flame war.

It seems that some people have a compulsion to push their anti-Soviet, anti-Stalin agenda no matter what the theme of a thread. I realize that the majority of members on this list are anti-Soviet, anti-Stalin, and pro-Trotsky (or social democrats). But, if they want to make off-topic attacks, I'm not going to sit back and let these people slander my Soviet Motherland and comrade Stalin.

If that's what they want, then let's get it on!

3A CCCP!
Mikhail

communard resolution
24th May 2008, 13:21
I agree we shouldn't let our differences of opinion on Stalin get in the way of the NazBol discussion. I guess I got distracted by the info that Stalin began persecuting Jews, which was a new one to me - I suggest we open a new thread on that, now or later.

Let's get back to the NazBols. My overall impressions are that they're either

a) attention-seekers, provocators, clowns, weirdos, conceptual artists, postmodernists, etc. who seek notoriety and/or personal power

or

b) Third Positionists, pseudo-socialist nationalists, 'left-wing' nazis comparable to Strasser's Black Front or Ernst Roehm's SA, with the racism replaced by Russian chauvinism and ultra-nationalism.

Or maybe just a very confused troupe to which both a and b apply to some extent.

Unicorn
24th May 2008, 17:04
If it's true that Stalin started persecuting Jews as spartan claims, does it really matter whether he was a racist at heart or not?
He didn't persecute them as Jews. He treated harshly some Zionists who happened to be of Jewish ethnic background. Stalin had nothing against people of any race, non-Zionist Jews were Communist party members in good standing. Lazar Kaganovich was a member of the Politburo.

3A CCCP
25th May 2008, 14:05
Comrades:

Below my English translation you will find the original Russian text of the August, 2006 declaration of the Eurasian Union of Youth regarding the newly formed National Bolshevik Front after it broke away from Limonov's National Bolshevik Party.

The original can also be accessed at:

http://russia3.ru/zayavlenie_nbf?PHPSESSID=32be4bc8998dc7949d31c8dd2 c02e72c

3A CCCP!
Mikhail

August 31, 2006 The NBF will become our friend and brother organization
Statement of the Federal Network Headquarters of the ECM regarding the initial meeting of the National Bolshevik Front on August 29, 2006.

1. The ECM (Eurasian Union of Youth) welcomes the decision of the many representatives of the NBP (National Bolshevik Party) to reform its structure, stained by the National Bolshevik ideology of mindless hooliganism, betrayal of national interests, cooperation with liberals, oligarchs, foreign funds, and the orange politicians. We also support its decision to denounce its self-appointed leader, the Kharkov writer, Eduard Savenko (Limonov).

2. We hope that the creation of the National Bolshevik Front will put an end to the history of ideological degeneration of the NBP from the patriotic non-conformist, social-orientation of youthful forces to the suppliers of the guarded structures for Kasparov, Kasyanov, and Marina Litvinovich, and begin a new stage in the history of National Bolshevism by returning to its roots - anti-fascism (Nikish, Ustryalov), sovereignty (“Russia is everything, everything else is nothing!”), and social (“oligarchs to the lamp”).

3. The Federal Network Headquarters of the ECM unanimously accepts the proposal of the newly formed NBF regarding its entrance as a collective member into the ECM with the retention of structural autonomy and with the acknowledgement of all the main points of the Eurasian program and of Eurasian world view.

4. Because of the personal traits of the writer Savenko, “national bolshevism” is associated today in the eyes of the population with an anti-state, anarchist, mindless sect of the fascist type that serves the interests of the USA, the oligarchs, and other anti-Russian bastards. In fact, this world view is entirely Eurasian, patriotic, and is a leader in the corner of social justice. The creation of the NBF is a call to return its ideology to its original meaning.

5. Historic Eurasianism (Trubyetsky, Savitsky, Alekseyev) and National Bolshevism (Ustryalov, the apostasy) was born simultaneously like two sides of the one and the same process of reconsideration of the logic of Russian history and meaning of the October Revolution in the middle of the White emigration. In the majority of points these ideologies are in agreement. It is full justified that they should come together and today form the Eurasian Union of Youth, the heir of the historic Eurasian Movement, and the National Bolshevik Front, the heir of the Russian and European National Bolsheviks (anti-fascists).

6. The disintegration and degeneration of the so-called “NBP” was obvious long ago to attentive observers, but many members of this organization, coming to the call of the ideology and early heroic and patriotic pages of history, still experienced illusions that the process was reversed. After the participation of the Kharkov writer Savitsky together with Kasyanov, Kasparov, and other orange rabble in “Another Russia,” on the payroll of the Soros Fund, YUKOS, Nyevsliny, and other Atlantic forces, the continued participation of ideological National Bolsheviks in this organization became impossible. As a result, around 30 regional organization took the decision of the reformation of the “NBP” and the creation of the “NBF.”

7. We hope that the NBF will become our friend and brother organization and together with the ECM will follow a mutual course in the development of the neo-oprichinny, in the battle with the enemies of Russia (internal and external), in the realization of the high ideals of Russia-3, in the defense of social justice and the building of the great Eurasian Empire from Vladivostok to Dublin.


ORIGINAL RUSSIAN TEXT:

31 Августа 2006 года
НБФ станет нам дружественной и братской организацией

Заявление федеральной сетевой ставки ЕСМ по поводу прошедшего 29 августа 2
1. ЕСМ приветствует решение многочисленных представителей т.н. «НБП» расформировать эту структуру, запятнавшую национал-большевистскую идеологию бессмысленным хулиганством, предательством национальных интересов, сотрудничеством с либералами, олигархами, зарубежными фондами и оранжевыми политическими деятелями и низложить ее самозванного руководителя харьковского писателя Эдуарда Савенко (Лимонова).


2. Мы надеемся, что создание Национал-большевистского Фронта ставит точку в истории идейного вырождения т.н. «НБП» от патриотической, нонконформистской, социально-ориентированной молодежной силы в поставщиков охранных структур для Каспарова, Касьянова и Марины Литвинович, и начинает новый этап в истории национал-большевизма, возвращающегося к своим корням – антифашистким (Никиш, Устрялов), державным («Россия все, остальное ничто!») и социальным («олигархов на фонарь»).



3. Федеральная Сетевая Ставка ЕСМ единодушно принимает предложение вновь образованного НБФ о вступлении коллективным членом в ЕСМ с сохранением структурной автономии с признанием всех основных пунктов Евразийской Программы и евразийского мировоззрения.



4. Из-за личных особенностей харьковского писателя Савенко «национал-большевизм» ассоциируется сегодня в глазах обывателей с антигосударственной, анархической, безыдейной сектой «фашистского» типа, обслуживающей интересы США, беглых олигархов и прочей антирусской сволочи. На самом деле, это мировоззрение целиком евразийское, патриотическое и ставящее во главу угла социальную справедливость. Создание НБФ призвано возвратить идеологии ее исходное значение.



5. Исторически евразийство (Трубецкой, Савицкий, Алексеев) и национал-большевизм (Устрялов, сменовеховство) зародились одновременно как две стороны одного и того же процесса переосмысления логики русской истории и значения Октябрьской революции в среде белой иммиграции. В большинстве пунктов эти идеологии сходятся. Вполне закономерно, что они сливаются и сегодня в форме Евразийского Союза Молодежи, наследника исторического Евразийского Движения, и Национал-Большевистского Фронта, наследника русских и европейских национал-большевиков («оборонцы», антифашисты).



6. Распад и вырождение т.н. «НБП» был очевиден давно для внимательных наблюдателей, но многие члены этой организации, пришедшие на зов идеологии и из-за ранних героических и патриотических страниц истории, еще испытывали иллюзии, что процесс обратим. После участия харьковского писателя Савенко вместе с Касьяновым, Каспаровым и прочим оранжевым отребьем в мероприятии «Другая Россия», проплаченного Фондом Сороса, недобитым ЮКОСом, беглым Невзлиным и другими атлантистскими силами, пребывание идейных национал-большевиков в этой организации стало невозможным. В результате около 30 региональных организаций приняли решение о расформировании «НБП» и создании НБФ.



7. Мы надеемся, что НБФ станет нам дружественной и братской организацией и будет вместе с ЕСМ следовать общим курсом в развитии нео-опричнины, в борьбе с врагами России (внутренними и внешними), в реализации высокого идеала России-3, в отстаивании социальной справедливости и строительстве великой Евразийской Империи от Владивостока до Дублина.