Finland school shooting

[Vanguard1917]

As we've all probably heard by now, 18 year-old school student Pekka-Eric Auvinen killed seven of his fellow pupils and his headmistress, before killing himself, in a mindless killing spree yesterday at his school in Finland.

As this fascinating short article by Frank Furedi points out, Auvinen seems to have been inspired not by things like Hollywood films and gangsta rap music, but by the environmentalist misanthrophy in mainstream Western culture.

Any thoughts?

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Finnish school shooting: self-loathing goes global (http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/4057/)
In declaring ‘war against humanity’, might 18-year-old Pekka-Eric Auvinen have been doing his bit to save the planet?
Frank Furedi

Self-loathing has been around for a long time. There have always been individuals who have acted on feelings of disgust for themselves and for others.

However, today self-loathing is underwritten by a powerful cultural script of misanthrophy; by a cultural outlook which sees humanity as a polluter rather than a problem-solver. It strikes me that Pekka-Eric Auvinen, who has been named as the Finnish school shooter who yesterday killed his headmistress, seven fellow pupils and then himself, may have been acting out this cultural script.

Online, Auvinen went by the name Sturmgeist89. In the various YouTube videos and the 1,000-word manifesto that have been credited to him, he sent out a straightforward message. He declared that ‘not all human lives are important or worth saving’.

In one video he wore a t-shirt that said ‘Humanity is overrated’. This chilling slogan does not come from some violent Hollywood movie or gangsta rap track - which are usually blamed for sending young people off the rails - but rather from the critically-acclaimed US drama House, in which British actor Hugh Laurie plays a cynical doctor who works in the field of infectious diseases. Indeed, you can buy ‘Humanity is overrated’ t-shirts from the House website here.

Auvinen described himself as an ‘anti-human humanist’ - he must have known that this sentiment would resonate with many of his peers who, like schoolchildren across Europe, will likely have been educated to hate themselves and their fellow human beings; to see humanity as something of a plague on the planet, which is how one leading British intellectual describes us (1).

Similarly, Cho Seung-Hui, the American student who massacred 32 students and teachers at Virginia Tech in America in April, expressed some rather mainstream anti-human and anti-consumerist ideas in his rambling manifestos. He berated his fellow students for their ‘Mercedes…golden necklaces…and trust funds’, and attacked their ‘hedonistic’ lifestyles (2).

In many ways, while Auvinen may have been a lone gunman, he was not acting alone. Rather, contemporary Western culture continually instructs people to believe that humans are a dreadful and destructive species. Increasingly, humans are represented as parasites on all other life-forms. Today, human activity is rarely presented in its classical transformative, creative and progressive form; instead, the term ‘human impact’ is used by environmentalists to indict humanity.

We the public are always being told that there are too many of us inhabiting the planet. As I have argued previously on spiked, ‘There is an increasingly popular idea that there is too much human life around, and that it is killing planet Earth’ (3). Having a large family is looked upon as an ‘eco-crime’, while the solution put forward for Africa, and increasingly for the West too, is ‘population control’ (4).

Reducing the number of human beings is extolled as an ethical imperative to save the world from humanity. Is it possible that, in declaring a one-man ‘war against humanity’ and against the ‘weak-minded masses’, an impressionable 18-year-old in Finland may have been trying to do his bit the save the planet?

Frank Furedi’s Invitation To Terrorism: The Expanding Empire of The Unknown is published by Continuum and will be reviewed in the November issue of the spiked review of books. (Buy this book from Amazon(UK).) Visit Frank’s website here.

reprinted from: http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/4057/

[spartan]

He was a memebr of the forum soviet-empire.com and his username was Ubermensch, or something similar, which is of course the german spelling of the famous "superman" term coined by German philosopher Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche.

Apparently before he started shooting he shouted out "the revolution starts here".

In either the video or letter he made he praised people like Hitler and Stalin and said that he hated the "inferior masses of people" whom he felt were taking over, via Capitalism i think?, the superior people and their once perfect way of life.

[RedAnarchist]

thread on s-e about this (http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=43175&highlight=&sid=04819bbcee7f25a688f12da6ebc63ae6)

[S.O.I]

this guy may have been a stalinist, but he was also right wing and nazi.

[spartan]

this guy may have been a stalinist, but he was also right wing and nazi.
Stalinists are right wing Nazis :lol:

[S.O.I]

this guy may have been a stalinist, but he was also right wing and nazi.
Stalinists are right wing Nazis :lol:

oh yeah.. lol

fascists.

but wtf was he doing on a communist forum?

[Wanted Man]

What is this CIA methods? It is obvious that he was a right-wing Stalinist nazi fascist libertarian environmentalist.

Come on people, this is retarded.

Still, I do like the explanation on Vanguard's favourite crypto-libertarian website: it's not video games, it's not the availability of guns, it's not the liberal media... it's environmentalism!

[Goatse]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 04:08 pm


this guy may have been a stalinist, but he was also right wing and nazi.
Stalinists are right wing Nazis :lol:

oh yeah.. lol

fascists.

but wtf was he doing on a communist forum?
Soviet-Empire isn't a communist forum.

[Wanted Man]

No, it's not a communist forum. It's a forum for the discussion of communism. That's where it differs from RevLeft. Anyway, not everybody who posts there is a Stalinist. See: http://soviet-empire.politicsforum.org/uss...pic.php?t=34944 (http://soviet-empire.politicsforum.org/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=34944)

[Goatse]

Originally posted by Van [email protected] 08, 2007 04:38 pm
No, it's not a communist forum. It's a forum for the discussion of communism. That's where it differs from RevLeft. Anyway, not everybody who posts there is a Stalinist. See: http://soviet-empire.politicsforum.org/uss...pic.php?t=34944 (http://soviet-empire.politicsforum.org/ussr/viewtopic.php?t=34944)
I was under the impression that SE was just another website nostalgic of the USSR..? :unsure:

[spartan]

I was under the impression that SE was just another website nostalgic of the USSR..? :unsure:
That is probably how it started out but it has since evolved into much more than just a simple USSR nostalgia forum.

I am a memebr of soviet-empire and i enjoy it just as much as i enjoy being a member of revleft (Which is alot).

[Colonello Buendia]

This guy was insane. no two ways about it. Though he sympathised whith Hitler and Stalin he was nether a Stalinist nor a nazi. He was just a phsycopath as far as I'm concerned.


ANd yes I agree Stalinists and Fascists are the exact same thing, but why do some Stalinists post here?

[Wanted Man]

Spartan, I never knew you were on SE! What's your name there?

Goatse: it started as a forum-based micronation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation) based on the USSR. It eventually collapsed and was then turned into a discussion forum. It is far from a nostalgia forum, there is in fact a lot of focus on current events.

CCCP: because we like to.

[spartan]

Spartan, I never knew you were on SE! What's your name there?
My name on SE is Albion.

I am guessing you are also a member of SE so what name do you go by Van Binsbergen?

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

ANd yes I agree Stalinists and Fascists are the exact same thing, but why do some Stalinists post here?

Why do you have a Che avatar? Do you know what Che wrote and thought about Stalin?

"Stalinism" and fascism have nothing to do with one an other. You should really study. Saying things like this, which come from the mouthpieces of the bourgeoisie, just help to spread anti-communist lies and distortions.

[Guerrilla22]

Another kid, who was clearly disturbed, detatched from reality and who had a gun, why does this sound so familiar?

[Dimentio]

Actually, we should see Eric Harris as a genius. He has perfected fascism into it's full, complete essence of worship of violence. He is probably the epithome of fascism, it is not possible to get any more fascist.

http://www.nndb.com/people/921/000110591/eric-harris.jpg

Has anyone tried to look up the class background of the perpetrators of these massacres. All seem to share some common features.

Naturalselector89 was known as the most virulent Harris-worshipper on youtube before he self-pwned.

http://rstvideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/natural-selector-7.png


Originally posted by Naturalselector89

Natural Selector’s Manifesto

How Did Natural Selection Turn Into Idiocratic Selection?

Today the process of natural selection is totally misguided. It has reversed. Human race has been devolving very long time for now. Retarded and stupid , weak-minded people are reproducing more and faster than the intelligent, strong-minded people. Laws protect the retarded majority which selects the leaders of society. Modern human race has not only betrayed its ancestors, but the future generations too. Homo Sapiens, HAH! It is more like a Homo Idioticus to me! When I look at people I see every day in society, school and everywhere… I can’t say I belong to same race as the lousy, miserable, arrogant, selfish human race! No! I have evolved one step above!

Naturality has been discriminated through religions, ideologies, laws and other mass delusion systems. Individual, who is going through his/hers natural power process and trying to live naturally, but is being told that the way he acts or thinks is wrong and stupid, will usually have some reactions which might be considered as “psychological disorders” by the establishment. In reality they are just natural reactions to the disruption of natural power process. They will have some of the following (depending on individual’s personality): feelings of inferiority / superiority, hostility, aggression, frustration, depression, self-hatred / hatred towards other people, suicidal / homicidal thought etc… and it is completely normal.

Humans are just a species among other animals and world does not exist only for humans. Death and killing is not a tragedy, it happens in nature all the time between all species. Not all human lives are important or worth saving. Only superior (intelligent, self-aware, strong-minded) individuals should survive while inferior (stupid, retarded, weak-minded masses) should perish.

There is also another solution to the problem: stupid people as slaves and intelligent people as free. What I mean is that they who have free minds, are capable of intelligent existential and philosophical thinking and know what justice is, should be free and rulers… and the robotic masses, they can be slaves since they do not mind it now either and because their minds are on so retarded level. The gangsters that now rule societies, would of course get what they deserve.

Of course there is a final solution too: death of entire human race. It would solve every problem of humanity. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better… no one should be left alive. I have no mercy for the scum of earth, the pathetic human race.

Collective Deindividualization: Totalitarianism & Delusions Of Democracy

Collective deindividualization is a phenomenon where individual will be trained as part of the mindless herd controlled by state, corporation, church or some other organization, group, ideology, religion or mass delusion system and adopt it’s rules, morality and codes of conduct. This phenomenon has been familiar in all despotic, authoritarian, totalitarian, monarchist, communist, socialist, nazi, fascist and religious societies troughout history. Also, the modern western democratic republics have the same phenomenon. It is just done so that people will think they are free and don’t realize they are being enslaved. Majority of people in society are weak-minded and ignorant retards, masses that act like programmed robots and accept voluntarily slavery. But not me! I am self-aware and realize what is going on in society! I have a free mind! And I choose to be free rather than live like a robot or slave. You can say I have a “god complex”, sure… then you have a “group complex”! Compared to you retarded masses, I am actually godlike.

Totalitarian governments rule people through education system, consumerism, mass media, monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force (police, military) and laws discriminating people who think differently than the majority. Democracy… you think democracy means freedom and justice? You are wrong. Democracy is a dictatorship of the moral majority… and the majority is manipulated and ruled by the state mafia. Modern western democracy has nothing to do with freedom or justice; it is totalitarian and corrupted system. Laws are made over the heads of the people and people are being brainwashed to support the system and connected to the institutional structures immediately after their birth. Societies are being ruled by manipulative and charismatic politicians who only care about the interests of majority, and who do not base their decisions on reason but emotions and feelings of the masses. These masses let the authorities of state to make all the important decisions for them. The masses will get an education, they study, get a job, go to work and vote in elections. They think they are free and don’t criticise or question the system. They have become robots. It is like a constructed mechanism in mind, that leaves little choice for an individual to think, talk and act independently.

Three Kinds Of Humans

There are three kinds of human personality types in this world:
1)individualistic human (3% of the world population)
2)manipulative human (3% of the world population)
3)mass human (94% of the world population)

#1 & #2 type of personalities are intelligent, creative and self-aware. They have chosen bit different paths paths. #3 type of personalities are less intelligent and less creative, weak-minded people controlled by #2 type of personalities. The percentages are only estimations though but are based on Gaussian distribution and history of human race and how humans have organized into societies. And this is the way it has always been ever since humans started to organize into communities.

Another way how to divide people is bit different but is based on the same facts, human nature and history. The division is based on the level of intelligence and quality of mentality:
1)intelligent (3% of the world population)
2)slightly retarded, so called “normal people” or “robots” (94% of the world population)
3)highly retarded, “vegetables” (3% of the world population)

Total War Against Humanity

Hate, Im so full of it and I love it. That is one thing I really love. Some time ago, I used to believe in humanity and I wanted to live a long and happy life… but then I woke up. I started to think deeper and realized things. But it was not easy to become existential… knowing as much as I know has made me unhappy, frustrated and angry. I just can’t be happy in the society or the reality I live. Due to long process of existential thinking, observing the society I live and some other things happened in my life… I have come to the point where I feel nothing but hate against humanity and human race.

Life is just a meaningless coincidence… result of long process of evolution and many several factors, causes and effects. However, life is also something that an individual wants and determines it to be. And I’m the dictator and god of my own life. And me, I have chosen my way. I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.

You might ask yourselves, why did I do this and what do I want. Well, most of you are too arrogant and closed-minded to understand… You will proprably say me that I am “insane”, “crazy”, “psychopath”, “criminal” or crap like that. No, the truth is that I am just an animl, a human, an individual, a dissident.

I have had enough. I don’t want to be part of this fucked up society. Like some other wise people have said in the past, human race is not worth fighting for or saving… only worth killing. But… When my enemies will run and hide in fear when mentioning my name… When the gangsters of the corrupted governments have been shot in the streets… When the rule of idioracy and the democratic system has been replaced with justice… When intelligent people are finally free and rule the society instead of the idiocratic rule of majority… In that great day of deliverance, you will know what I want.

Long live the revolution… revolution against the system, which enslaves not only the majority of weak-minded masses but also the small minority of strong-minded and intelligent individuals! If we want to live in a different world, we must act. We must rise against the enslaving, corrupted and totalitarian regimes and overthrow the tyrants, gangsters and the rule of idiocracy. I can’t alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems. The system discriminating naturality and justice, is my enemy. The people living in the world of delusion and supporting this system are my enemies.

I am ready to die for a cause I know is right, just and true… even if I would lose or the battle would be only remembered as evil… I will rather fight and die than live a long and unhappy life.

And remember that this is my war, my ideas and my plans. Don’t blame anyone else for my actions than myself. Don’t blame my parents or my friends. I told nobody about my plans and I always kept them inside my mind only. Don’t blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read. No, they had nothing to do with this. This is my war: one man war against humanity, governments and weak-minded masses of the world! No mercy for the scum of the earth! HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It’s time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks!

Justice renders to everyone his due.

- Pekka-Eric Auvinen (aka NaturalSelector89, Natural Selector, Sturmgeist89 and Sturmgeist).
I also use pseydonym Eric von Auffoin internationally.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 08:55 pm

Spartan, I never knew you were on SE! What's your name there?
My name on SE is Albion.

I am guessing you are also a member of SE so what name do you go by Van Binsbergen?
I'm Matthijs, I moderate the Red Square.

[Tatarin]

That is scary. Of what I can see on his testimony, he didn't know much about capitalism. For example, he mentioned "communism" as one forms of system that opresses people.

[spartan]

For example, he mentioned "communism" as one forms of system that opresses people.
He probably meant Soviet style Bureaucratic State Capitalism?

[Tatarin]

He probably meant Soviet style Bureaucratic State Capitalism?

Well, yes. Just like he mentioned "socialism, communism" like many other right-wingers do when they do not know what they are talking about.

[Vladislav]

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/08/470_finland_main.jpg

[lvatt]

No idea what made the guy snap and do what he did, but IMO he most definitively had some kind of psychiatric disorder.

His rabbleifesto is filled with nonsense and contradictions. This is the kind of guy we call anti-social. He doesn't fit in a human system and just end up hurting others and justifying it with bullshit rhethoric. It's tragic, but still I believe even a guy like that was not beyond help. I'm pretty sure even the most depressed and deluded antisocial guy on the planet can be made to understand that life is only bad if you let it be. People have the potential to achieve control over their emotions and get over their hatred and despair. Unfortunately, many people let themselves be slaves to their emotions and it leads to tragedy... such as this Pekka-Eric fellow.

[Ismail]

Fuck him and his manifesto. Like many nihilists, he had no understanding of natural selection and survival of the fittest when applied to humans, and was indeed affected by the "HUMAN BEINGS ARE EVIL!" approach taken by primitivists and ultra-environmentalists, among other things of course. In his manifesto he clearly defended individualism, and called anyone who didn't believe in it either "dumb" or corporations.

Many people admire Stalin. Most (I'd like to think) admire him for his defense of Marxist-Leninism against the revisionists. Many, however, view him as a nationalist figure who "got things done" and shed much blood, which is a completely incorrect way to view him. These types are not "Stalinists", but rather Fascists, pseudo-anarchists, and individualistic nihilists. It is extremely insulting to EVER compare "Stalinists" with Fascists.

[Vanguard1917]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 03:08 am
Fuck him and his manifesto. Like many nihilists, he had no understanding of natural selection and survival of the fittest when applied to humans, and was indeed affected by the "HUMAN BEINGS ARE EVIL!" approach taken by primitivists and ultra-environmentalists, among other things of course.
Yes, but i would extend that to mainstream environmentalists also, rather than just self-identified 'primitivists' and 'deep greens'. Misanthropy is at the heart of the environmental movement, which is itself now at the heart of mainstream politics and culture. This Auvinen person wouldn't have had to look very hard to find inspiration for his 'anti-human' feelings.

[Overman]

Fuck him and his manifesto. Like many nihilists, he had no understanding of natural selection and survival of the fittest when applied to humans, and was indeed affected by the "HUMAN BEINGS ARE EVIL!" approach taken by primitivists and ultra-environmentalists, among other things of course. In his manifesto he clearly defended individualism, and called anyone who didn't believe in it either "dumb" or corporations.

Fuck him? Yeah, I guess so. It doesn't really excuse all the bloody mess he created does it? But, what other bloody messes have the unthinking, hysterical "mass human" as he has referred to created? A lot more bloody messes than a lone psychopath I would think.

The hard painful truth is that there is a lot more distance between the creative engineering genius who invented the combustion engine and the mass of people who get to ride around in their chimp-mobiles today.

[Bilan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 01:38 am
As we've all probably heard by now, 18 year-old school student Pekka-Eric Auvinen killed seven of his fellow pupils and his headmistress, before killing himself, in a mindless killing spree yesterday at his school in Finland.

As this fascinating short article by Frank Furedi points out, Auvinen seems to have been inspired not by things like Hollywood films and gangsta rap music, but by the environmentalist misanthropy in mainstream Western culture.

Any thoughts?


I'm slightly disturbed that this is your concern.
Are you hijacking what happened and trying to twist it to suit your anti-environmentalist shit?
If so, you're a fucking arsehole.

If not, I apologize.

[Vanguard1917]

No. I'm trying to to understand where this Finnish teenager got his misanthropic ideas from. What is being suggested is that such ideas are, in fact, highly prevalent in contemporary mainstream European culture, and that Auvinen would not have had to search very hard to find inspiration for his hatred of human beings.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 03:35 pm
No. I'm trying to to understand where this Finnish teenager got his misanthropic ideas from. What is being suggested is that such ideas are, in fact, highly prevalent in contemporary mainstream European culture, and that Auvinen would not have had to search very hard to find inspiration for his hatred of human beings.
http://www.anus.com

And he was a big fan of Linkola as well.

[metalero]

SE is something of a crypto-political forum where social-chauvinist and ultra right-wingers pose as communists.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 07:27 am
SE is something of a crypto-political forum where social-chauvinist and ultra right-wingers pose as communists.
Compared to Socialist Paradise, it is quite sane.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 08:27 am
SE is something of a crypto-political forum where social-chauvinist and ultra right-wingers pose as communists.
How deep did you have to dive to pull that one out of your arse? I bet you've never even been there. Kudos on sneaking in no less than two buzzwords: "social-chauvinist" and "ultra-right-wingers" (who are usually the first targets for banning from SE). Not to mention the invention of the new word "crypto-political". Do you know what "crypto" means, metalero? You're basically accusing SE of being political in secret.

[piet11111]

the sad thing about guys like him is that they are instinctually aware of how fucked up the capitalist society is but just dont manage to really understand that the problem is the system and not the masses at the bottom trying to survive.

with help this guy could have been salvaged and transformed into a leftist.

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 02:00 am
the sad thing about guys like him is that they are instinctually aware of how fucked up the capitalist society is but just dont manage to really understand that the problem is the system and not the masses at the bottom trying to survive.

with help this guy could have been salvaged and transformed into a leftist.
His ideology was a dangerous pot of nihilism and idealism. He wanted to punish the world for not being as he liked it to be, while condemning the majority of the human beings.

His idol is Pentti Linkola, who makes Mussolini and Hitler look liberal.

[metalero]

Originally posted by Van Binsbergen+November 10, 2007 08:17 pm--> (Van Binsbergen @ November 10, 2007 08:17 pm)
[email protected] 10, 2007 08:27 am
SE is something of a crypto-political forum where social-chauvinist and ultra right-wingers pose as communists.
How deep did you have to dive to pull that one out of your arse? I bet you've never even been there. Kudos on sneaking in no less than two buzzwords: "social-chauvinist" and "ultra-right-wingers" (who are usually the first targets for banning from SE). Not to mention the invention of the new word "crypto-political". Do you know what "crypto" means, metalero? You're basically accusing SE of being political in secret. [/b]
sorry, my mistake! serpent correctly pointed at Socialist Paradise, I meant that one.

[Vanguard1917]

Originally posted by Serpent+November 09, 2007 07:20 pm--> (Serpent @ November 09, 2007 07:20 pm)
[email protected] 09, 2007 03:35 pm
No. I'm trying to to understand where this Finnish teenager got his misanthropic ideas from. What is being suggested is that such ideas are, in fact, highly prevalent in contemporary mainstream European culture, and that Auvinen would not have had to search very hard to find inspiration for his hatred of human beings.
http://www.anus.com

And he was a big fan of Linkola as well. [/b]
How predictable.

[Wanted Man]

Originally posted by metalero+November 11, 2007 04:30 pm--> (metalero @ November 11, 2007 04:30 pm)
Originally posted by Van [email protected] 10, 2007 08:17 pm

[email protected] 10, 2007 08:27 am
SE is something of a crypto-political forum where social-chauvinist and ultra right-wingers pose as communists.
How deep did you have to dive to pull that one out of your arse? I bet you've never even been there. Kudos on sneaking in no less than two buzzwords: "social-chauvinist" and "ultra-right-wingers" (who are usually the first targets for banning from SE). Not to mention the invention of the new word "crypto-political". Do you know what "crypto" means, metalero? You're basically accusing SE of being political in secret.
sorry, my mistake! serpent correctly pointed at Socialist Paradise, I meant that one. [/b]
No harm! :D I can agree about the SP, there's so much crapola in there.

[rouchambeau]

LOL enviro-fascism

[Dimentio]

http://rstvideo.com/2007/11/07/jokela-high...e-fortsattning/ (http://rstvideo.com/2007/11/07/jokela-high-school-massacre-fortsattning/)

Here is his video and manifesto available (on English)

[Dimentio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGscnCn9fNY

Debate between TheAmazingAtheist and NaturalSelector89 (Pekka-Eric Auvinen)

[Red Scare]

Originally posted by Van [email protected] 08, 2007 02:43 pm
Spartan, I never knew you were on SE! What's your name there?

Goatse: it started as a forum-based micronation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation) based on the USSR. It eventually collapsed and was then turned into a discussion forum. It is far from a nostalgia forum, there is in fact a lot of focus on current events.

CCCP: because we like to.
Wait, did it used to be called new soviet empire?

[Dimentio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3ZljfZHD5Q

[Red October]

I've never heard of that Linkola guy, but he seems fucking insane. How much support does he actually have in Finland and Europe?

[ellipsis]

my response to this can be found on my blog, The Revolution Script (http://therevolutionscript.blogspot.com/2007/11/in-response-to-finnish-school-shooter.html)

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 13, 2007 10:00 pm
I've never heard of that Linkola guy, but he seems fucking insane. How much support does he actually have in Finland and Europe?
Very little, even if there are some organised groups especially in Scandinavia and USA which are supporting him (ANUS, NSBM-types, some fringe deep ecologists). But at last, his the only honest primitivist around yet.