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letsgetfree
3rd November 2007, 19:33
If you believe that God knows you're sinning, why are you doing it?
Are you insane?
Don't you know that you're doing wrong by the most powerful being in existence?
You'd either have to be crazy or having a temporary lack of belief in order to offend the omniscient and omnipotent.
And if you can have temporary lapses of faith, how can you call yourself a believer at all? You believe when you want and disbelieve when you want?
Serious questions. Why would you knowingly disobey the all-knowing, all-powerful creator?
If you say it's okay because he's all-loving, then aren't you taking advantage of his love? Why would you take advantage of the all-knowing, all-powerful, most benificent Lord?
If you say it's in human nature to sin, why would God ask you to do something impossible in defying your nature? More importantly, why would God create a sinful creature if he didn't want his creations to sin against him?
If you say life is a test from God, why would God carry out the test when he knows the outcome? You give a test to see what will happen. If God already knows what will happen, then this is not a test.
And even if it were a test, a test is meant to prepare someone for something more difficult. What greater challenge does God have planned? If there's a heaven and hell, are they after the greater challenge or before it?
Comrade Rage
3rd November 2007, 19:40
You would already have to be half-nuts to believe in that anyway, but if it were real 'god' would NEED sin so he could have power over people.
Look at the bible, especially the old testament-----EVERYTHING'S a sin in there.
RedStarOverChina
3rd November 2007, 19:52
Why would we obey a violent, twisted, murderous, racist, misorgynist "god" when we all know "he" is fake?
Why would we ever care about "sinning" when we all know it's a meaningless word made up to scare off uneducated peasants?
As leftists, why would we ever tolerate these utterly reactionary ideas?
Demogorgon
3rd November 2007, 20:25
Well presuming there were a God, firstly people can't always do the right thing even if they know what they are meant to be doing. And secondly why would this God give a flying fuck about our petty little indiscretions anyway?
AntifaHooligan
3rd November 2007, 20:26
About that, we have a pretty sick TV show in Norway right now. Kristoffer Schau (crazy guy) is testing christianity by commiting all the seven the seven deadly sins one by one. The last episode was about amour propre, and he:
- had 15 botox injections into his forehead
-"cloned" his own penis
- dressed up as a lady and joined the "gay pride" festival in LA
Next episode: Eating at a restaurant until he pukes several times
As i said, CRAZY guy
Fun show though :lol:
Pawn Power
3rd November 2007, 20:36
If your catholic you can always repent.
synthesis
3rd November 2007, 23:07
Yeah, I was about to comment on how there is a facet of the Christian God that is all-forgiving and so on. I wondered for a time why it is not a bigger sin to judge people in life when that is supposed to be the domain of God after death, but I reminded myself that religion always adapts to new situations, especially when it is placed in the hands of the powerful.
Sickle of Justice
4th November 2007, 01:13
people who beleive in god and believe in sin rarely knowingly do things that are sin. if you believe that if you have sex, you will go to hell, you'll probably be chaste.
that said, few people actually believe that stuff wholeheartiedly, and also, everyone is human. not everyone is rational all the time (if they were, organizeed religion would not exist at all) and we often get caught up in the moment. sin IS human nature. this is one of the many paradoxs within religion, they claim that "god" made us, and crafted our instincts. our instincts contradict what "god" supposedly wants us to do. if there was a god, our basic instincts would probably be EXACTLY what he wanted us to do.
but in my opinion, the forces that govern this world arn't assholes like that. they pretty much let you do what you want, as long as you let others do the same.
Yardstick
4th November 2007, 02:33
You guys should try following all the rules sometime, ain't as easy as it sounds.
Module
4th November 2007, 05:02
Here's what I think.
I'd say that most of those that follow a religion, around these parts, don't believe in God in the depths of their hearts. They like the thought of God, and so say they are believers, but rarely is there a 100% belief in the scriptures. The most religious Christian I know, for instance, went through a phase of stealing almost everything she could. The most religious Jew I know, for instance, is in a sexual relationship with her boyfriend, and also describes herself as a 'Kleptomaniac' (although mind you that's probably a complete lie, the point remains.).
Both, however, rigorously (one of them, almost violently) defend their religion, and belief in God.
A lot of people are brought up with religion almost as a parental force in their lives - something that provides them with rules and laws that they are taught that they should obey, and they believe that they should for good reason.
They are also similarly rules and laws that they will disobey when they personally feel that they need to.
Although these laws are those they are brought up to believe dictate a proper 'right and wrong', their natural beliefs of what is right and wrong will occasionally override it, depending on how strongly their religion is engrained in their conscience.
Whilst this happens, however, they will still have the guilt of disobeying what they are taught is the 'proper' right and wrong, the religious morality. Since they'll still believe that it is indeed the proper right and wrong, they will still defend it as 'just', and will still claim to follow the religion and the God, much out of a sense of guilt, and fear of God, the same way a child fears their parent's wrath when they disobey one of their orders.
dty06
17th November 2007, 07:34
any "god" that needs to be worshiped has a superiority complex. if you're the most powerful thing in existence, what difference would it make to you if people believed in you or not? Why put so much effort into humanity?
and if there is a "god", it would not stop me from living my life. If it means that i'll rot in "hell" with everyone else, so be it. it'd suck to be the only one in "heaven" wouldnt it?
phasmid
20th November 2007, 03:58
I think a lot of the revulsion and scorn for "God" and the Bible is the fault of christian religions. Anyone who got a whiff of that convoluted crap would want to run a mile rather than have anything to do with it.
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