Metropolitan police found guilty of "errors" that

[Pawn Power]

Met police guilty over De Menezes shooting (http://www.guardian.co.uk/menezes/story/0,,2203326,00.html)


The Metropolitan police was today found guilty of a catastrophic series of errors during the operation that led to firearms officers shooting Jean Charles de Menezes dead on the London underground.

The force was fined £175,000 and ordered to pay £385,000 costs after an Old Bailey jury found it had breached health and safety rules and failed in its duty to protect members of the public in the killing of the innocent Brazilian electrician at Stockwell station, south London, on July 22 2005.

[RedAnarchist]

De Menezes did nothing wrong. Everything that went wrong on that day was the fault of the Police. He didn't look anything like the suspct they were after, and he wasn't acting suspicious nor could he have been hiding any explosives on him.

[apathy maybe]

What this case demonstrates is that police refuse to accept responsibility.

It is obvious, and has been since the case was first made public, that the police fucked up big time.

Yet, they lied, and continue to deny doing anything wrong.


Fuck the police, if people need a reason as to why I am anti-police, well shit like this is a great reason.

[Luís Henrique]

For those who deny that there is "racism against Muslisms", a question:

Do you think Jean-Charles would have been killed if he didn't "look" Muslism?

Luís Henrique

[TC]

The stupidest thing about this is that theres a debate over whether or not Ian Blair should be sacked or not. The only debate should be whether Ian Blair, the shooters, and everyone in the chain of command between them and him, should be executed or merely imprisoned for life.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 02, 2007 02:01 pm
For those who deny that there is "racism against Muslisms", a question:

Do you think Jean-Charles would have been killed if he didn't "look" Muslism?

Luís Henrique
Probably not.

But a further complication is equating Arab with Muslim. What Jean-Charles looked like was "not-white" and perhaps arab to the cops. And it is because he "looked arab" that they assumed he must be dangerous, due to the racist notions of arabs being muslim extremists.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by Pawn [email protected] 03, 2007 01:39 am
But a further complication is equating Arab with Muslim. What Jean-Charles looked like was "not-white" and perhaps arab to the cops. And it is because he "looked arab" that they assumed he must be dangerous, due to the racist notions of arabs being muslim extremists.
Yeah, that's most likely what happened. Mediterranic caucasian = Arab = Muslism = Extremist = Terrorist = fair game.

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His name was "Menezes" or "Jean-Charles", or "Jean-Charles de Menezes"; never "De Menezes".

Luís Henrique

[MarxSchmarx]

My sister said (EDIT) the whole mess best:

"Racial profiling is bad enough. When you get the race wrong, it is even worse."

In all seriousness, my sincerest condolences to the Menezes family for this tragedy. Jean-Charles all too sadly is yet another victim in a long list of people murdered by capitalism and statism. His death will not be in vain.

[TC]

Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 03, 2007 03:40 am

Yeah, that's most likely what happened. Mediterranic caucasian = Arab = Muslism = Extremist = Terrorist = fair game.
Its not even that complicated. With regards to the police, being non-white and male means you're okay to shoot, being white (or a non-black female) means there might be consequences if you're shot.

I mean, imagine if instead of a dark foreign man, it was a blonde british 20 something business woman. What if it was a blonde british teenage girl from an affluent family! The level of outrage would be a magnitude greater, they wouldn't even try to defend it as an understandable mistake.

Alternatively, imagine if they shot an orthodox jewish british man (big black jacket, long beard, could be a terrorist right!?) .

Its not so much that dark men are presumed as terrorists as much as the fact that they're not accorded the same type of sympathy that other demographic groups are so sadistic cops who sign up for firearms duty because they really really get off on killing someone (which was undoubtably the case; the first shot was with expanding ammunition which would be illegal in warfare, into the victim's head, so it would have been mmediately fatal, yet the shooter continued to fire six more times, I mean, just imagine the type of psyche that would continue to squeeze the trigger six more times, mistaken identity or not this was someone who delighted in murder) .

[bezdomni]

With regards to the police, being non-white and male means you're okay to shoot

I am pretty sure there would be heavy consequences if Barack Obama got shot by police.

[CABO18]

Soviet Pants, I agree with what you say. Police is here to protect the bourgeoisie, it's the same from New York to Sidney, if you are a poor man trying to survive in this jungle, they do not care. So just imagine how better it could be, with a socialist republic. All equals with free health care. France has free health care, but France goes towards the privatization of all utility.

Power to the people !

[CABO18]

Police brutality (http://youtube.com/watch?v=3jIy4FUloxU)

UCLA Police brutality (http://youtube.com/watch?v=VMl4u1E2_bY)

[TC]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 08:51 pm

With regards to the police, being non-white and male means you're okay to shoot

I am pretty sure there would be heavy consequences if Barack Obama got shot by police.
Yes and there would be astronomically greater consequences if Hillary Clinton was shot compared to the consequences of shooting a non-celebrity blonde white business woman...but in the death of a blonde business woman would result in a far greater outcry than the death of a black man, the death of a white blonde teenage girl from an affluent family even moreso.

Celebrities are exceptional because because police (and everyone else) don't see them as a demographic but as individuals, even when they don't know them personally. Other strangers are treated according to how they look.