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Led Zeppelin
1st November 2007, 15:03
Bad faith (from French, mauvaise foi) is a philosophical concept first coined by existentialist philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre to describe the phenomenon wherein one denies one's total freedom, instead choosing to behave as an inert object. It is closely related to the concept of self-deception and Friedrich Nietzsche's concept of ressentiment.

A critical claim in existentialist thought is that we are always radically free to make choices and guide our lives towards our own chosen goal (or 'project'). We cannot escape this freedom, even in overwhelming circumstances. For instance, even an armed mugger's victim possesses choices: to hand over his wallet; to negotiate; to beg; to run; to counter-attack; or to die.

Although we are limited by our circumstances (our facticity), these cannot force us, as radically free beings, to follow one course over another. For this reason, we choose in anguish: we know that we must make a choice, that it will have consequences, and that some choices are better than others. But for Sartre, to claim that one amongst our many conscious possibilities takes undeniable precedence (for instance, 'I cannot risk my life, because I must support my family') is to assume the role of an object in the world, merely at the mercy of circumstance - a being-in-itself that is only its own facticity

For Sartre this attitude is manifestly self-deceiving. As human consciousness, we are always aware that we are not whatever we are aware of - we cannot, in this sense, be defined as our 'intentional objects' of consciousness, including our facticity of personal history, character, bodies, or objective responsibility. Thus, as Sartre often repeated, 'human reality is what it is not, and it is not what it is': it can only define itself negatively, as 'what it is not'; but this negation is simultaneously the only positive definition it can make of 'what it is'.

From this we are aware of a host of alternative reactions to our objective situation - i.e., of freedom - since no situation can dictate a single response. Only in assuming social roles and value systems external to this nature as conscious beings can we pretend that these possibilities are denied to us; but this is itself a decision made possible by our freedom and our separation from these things. It is this paradoxical free decision to deny to ourselves this inescapable freedom which is 'bad faith'.

Sartre cites a café waiter, whose movements and conversation are a little too "waiter-esque". His voice oozes with an eagerness to please; he carries food rigidly and ostentatiously. His exaggerated behaviour illustrates that he is play acting as a waiter, as an object in the world: an automaton whose essence is to be a waiter. But that he is obviously acting belies that he is aware that he is not (merely) a waiter, but is rather consciously deceiving himself.

Another of Sartre’s examples involves a young woman on a first date. She ignores the obvious sexual implications of her date's compliments to her physical appearance, but accepts them instead as words directed at her as a human consciousness. As he takes her hand, she lets it rest lifelessly in his, refusing either to return the gesture or to revoke it. Thus she delays the moment when she must choose to either acknowledge and reject his advances, or submit to them. She conveniently considers her hand only a thing in the world, and his compliments as unrelated to her body; thus playing on her dual human reality as a physical being, and as a consciousness separate and free from this physicality.

Sartre tells us that by acting in bad faith, the waiter and the woman are denying their own freedom; but actively using this freedom itself. Thus they manifestly know they are free, but do not acknowledge it. Bad faith is paradoxical in this regard: when acting in bad faith, a person is both aware, and, in a sense, unaware, that they are free.

Sartre tells us that the consciousness with which we generally consider our objective surroundings is different from the consciousness of ourselves being conscious of these surroundings (pre-reflective and reflective consciousness respectively); though neither can properly be called unconsciousness. An example he gives is of running after a bus; one is certainly not unaware of running after it, but only after stopping would one reflect and think 'sacre bleu, I was really running there'.

In this sense consciousness always entails being self-aware (being-for-itself). Since for Sartre consciousness also entails a consciousness of our separation from the world, and hence freedom, we are also always aware of this. But we can manipulate these two levels of consciousness, so that our reflective consciousness interprets the factual limits of our objective situation as insurmountable, whilst our pre-reflective consciousness remains aware of alternatives.

One convinces oneself, in some senses, that one is bound to act by external circumstance, in order to escape the anguish of our freedom. Sartre says man is condemned to be free: whether he adopts an 'objective' moral system to do this choosing for him, or follows only his pragmatic concerns, he cannot help but be aware that they are not - fundamentally - part of him. Moreover, as possible intentional objects of one's consciousness, one is fundamentally not part of oneself, but rather exactly what one, as consciousness, defines oneself in opposition to; along with everything else one could be conscious of.

Fundamentally, Sartre believes one cannot escape responsibility by adopting an external moral system, as the adoption of a moral system is in itself a choice that we endorse, implicitly or explicitly, and which one must take full responsibility for. Sartre argues that, one cannot escape responsibility, as each time one attempts to part oneself from one's freedom of choice, the very act in itself is a choice exercised freely.

As a human, one cannot claim our actions are determined by forces exterior to the self; this is the core statement of existentialism. One is 'doomed' to this eternal freedom; human beings exist before the definition of human identity exists. One can not define oneself as a thing in the world, as one has the freedom to be otherwise. One is not “a philosopher”, as at some point one must/will cease the activities that define the self as "a philosopher". Any role that one might adopt does not define one as there is an eventual end to one's adoption of the role; i.e. other roles will be assigned to us, "a chef", "a mother". The self is not constant, it cannot be a thing in the world. Though one cannot assign a positive value to definitions that may apply to oneself, one remains able to say what one is not. For example, an adult human male may not be a man, but he is certainly not a woman. Therefore, one is defined by what one is not.

This inner anguish over moral uncertainty is a central underlying theme in existentialism, as the anguish demonstrates a personal feeling of responsibility over the choices one makes throughout life. Without an emphasis on personal choice, one may make use of an external moral system as a tool to moralize otherwise immoral acts, leading to negation of the self. According to existentialism, dedicated professionals of their respective moral codes - priests interpreting sacred scriptures, lawyers interpreting the Constitution, doctors interpreting the Hippocratic oath - should, instead of divesting the self of responsibility in the discharge of ones duties, be aware of ones own significance in the process. This recognition involves the questioning of the morality of all choices, taking responsibility for the consequences of one's own choice and therefore; a constant reappraisal of one's own and others' ever-changing humanity. One must not exercise bad faith by denying the self's freedom of choice and accountability. Taking on the burden of personal accountability in all situations is an intimidating proposition - by pointing out the freedom of the individual Sartre seeks to demonstrate the social roles and moral systems we adopt to protect us from being morally accountable for our actions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith_%28existentialism%29

I personally believe it's pretty well argued by Sartre, and explains a certain type of behavior by most people.

Led Zeppelin
11th December 2007, 18:58
Rosa, I would like to know your opinion on the matter.

Rosa Lichtenstein
11th December 2007, 21:57
Sorry, LZ -- I stopped worying about anything Sartre said 20 odd years ago.

The only regret I have is that I did not do it earlier. :(

[In my view, the last French philosopher, other than Rousseau, worth bothering with was Jean Buridan, who lived 700 years ago.]

I am sure others here will help you out. :)

apathy maybe
12th December 2007, 05:14
In my mind, it is an interesting concept, but hardly worth bothering with.

After all, while it should be obvious to anyone who has thought about the matter that we have the "choice" to do anything (and I use the word advisedly), it doesn't actually mean that we do.

I'll try and explain, the first things that impinge on our "free will" (as it were), is the physical universe, we cannot fly unaided, because our bodies are not able to, and gravity prevents us from doing so. Beyond that though, our bodies are those of animals. We are animals.

With that, comes certain drives (to stay alive, to procreate etc.), all these impact on what we do.

And further, we are then constrained by thoughts of the future. While it is true that I am free to run around the house smashing everything, I do not do so, because I live here. If I smashed everything, my future existence would be less comfortable then my present existence.


And so, while it is true that we are "free", it is the freedom of the capitalist. You can work, or you can die. In in such cases, is it really a free choice?

Rosa Lichtenstein
12th December 2007, 05:43
I notice you are still using that empty philosophical phrase "free will" AM.

Die Neue Zeit
12th December 2007, 05:59
Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 11, 2007 02:56 pm
[In my view, the last French philosopher, other than Rousseau, worth bothering with was Jean Buridan, who lived 700 years ago.]

I am sure others here will help you out. :)
Why then, do you still aspire to the heavily philosophical French socialism? :huh:

Rosa Lichtenstein
12th December 2007, 06:35
JR:


Why then, do you still aspire to the heavily philosophical French socialism?

Er, where have I said that?

Led Zeppelin
12th December 2007, 13:42
Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 12, 2007 05:13 am
And so, while it is true that we are "free", it is the freedom of the capitalist. You can work, or you can die. In in such cases, is it really a free choice?
Free choice within the bounds of material reality is still a free choice, correct?

I disagree with your narrowing down of the meaning of the definition to either "work or die", there's much more to it than that.

Take for example the freedom of choice a deeply religious person has, compared to the freedom of choice an existentialist has. The former cannot drink alcohol (depending on the religion), cannot engage in sexual activity before marriage, cannot believe in certain scientific theories no matter how much they have been verified, and basically live a life which is very restricting.

This means that they become an object in the world, instead of an individual. The difference between the two is that the former merely plays out his or her role (as a religious person, a husband who has to provide for his kids, a politician etc.) while the latter could also do all those things, but still be aware of the fact that he or she has the freedom of choice to decorate their life in whatever manner they please.

apathy maybe
13th December 2007, 11:23
OK, I understand your point, but does it really matter?

Yes, work or die is a simplification of the options in capitalist society (we can live outside the economy, live off the refuge of society etc.), but ultimately our options are irrelevant. Most people will work, because they desire comfort. Meh, I'm giving up this discussion now, I'm not sure what I'm trying to say...



(Oh, and Rosa, I posted something about my use of the term "free will" (I don't actually believe in it, which is why I quoted it), but it didn't get posted :(. I also mentioned that I was looking forward to discussing the matter with you when I eventually turn up in England. Not free will as such, but what the alternatives are, which I wasn't really satisfied with last time we discussed it here.)

Led Zeppelin
13th December 2007, 19:17
Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 13, 2007 11:22 am
OK, I understand your point, but does it really matter?
Of course it matters!

Would you rather people be an object in the world, living a life of alienation?

Although we are limited by our circumstances (our facticity), these cannot force us, as radically free beings, to follow one course over another. For this reason, we choose in anguish: we know that we must make a choice, that it will have consequences, and that some choices are better than others. But for Sartre, to claim that one amongst our many conscious possibilities takes undeniable precedence (for instance, 'I cannot risk my life, because I must support my family') is to assume the role of an object in the world, merely at the mercy of circumstance - a being-in-itself that is only its own facticity.

That is what would be living a pretty shit life, don't you agree? And sadly, the vast majority of humanity lives like that today, indoctrinated by capitalism to live a life of alienation. Existentialism is a philosophical movement to counter that, and hence I personally support it, and am one myself.

Led Zeppelin
14th December 2007, 13:50
Originally posted by Rosa [email protected] 12, 2007 05:42 am
I notice you are still using that empty philosophical phrase "free will" AM.
How is that an empty phrase?

Rosa Lichtenstein
14th December 2007, 19:27
Check this out:

http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic...st&p=1292288126 (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=64547&view=findpost&p=1292288126)

Particularly the first link.

Trystan
15th December 2007, 06:14
Sartre's philosophy of absolute freedom is incredibly flawed, if you ask me. The key to our freedom he says is 'nothingness', a kind of gap between us and our pasts and futures. How does he know this? Phenomenology was his method, but this is hardly a real science in my opinion. Determinism is true, I think. If we live in a physical universe and we don't have a "non-physical" (whatever that is) mind or soul then we simply cannot have "free will".

Led Zeppelin
15th December 2007, 15:36
Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 06:13 am
If we live in a physical universe and we don't have a "non-physical" (whatever that is) mind or soul then we simply cannot have "free will".
That doesn't make sense.

Care to elaborate?

Volderbeek
16th December 2007, 05:06
I have to say, I completely agree with Satre here. It reminds me of one of Marx's criticisms of capitalism where he says that it forces people into specialization instead of allowing them to freely pursue their passions. It's also reminiscent of the world mediated by images.

peaccenicked
22nd December 2007, 01:09
In my veiw 'bad faith' is a very important philosophical concept. It is tied up with commodity fetishness. Money and trust are not good bedfellows. It is also at the root of Stalinism, many of the victims of Stalinism had good faith in the system ostensibly socialist but it had bad faith in them.

I also refuse to argue with some people because their arrogant self-defence of their own dogma takes precedence over the truth be it historical or philosophical.

Rosa Lichtenstein
22nd December 2007, 03:00
Peace:


I also refuse to argue with some people because their arrogant self-defence of their own dogma takes precedence over the truth be it historical or philosophical.

Translated, this still means: "Although I know no logic, but I, Peacenicked, will continue to pontificate about it..."

Trystan
27th December 2007, 17:28
Originally posted by Led Zeppelin+December 15, 2007 03:35 pm--> (Led Zeppelin @ December 15, 2007 03:35 pm)
[email protected] 15, 2007 06:13 am
If we live in a physical universe and we don't have a "non-physical" (whatever that is) mind or soul then we simply cannot have "free will".
That doesn't make sense.

Care to elaborate? [/b]
In physics every event (apart from at a subatomic level) is caused by some other event. If out minds are also material then determinism obviously would affects us on a cognitive level and therefore we have no "free will".

Rosa Lichtenstein
27th December 2007, 17:31
Trystan, as I have pointed out several times, you can only make this work if you are prepared to anthropomorphise nature:

http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic...st&p=1292288126 (http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=64547&view=findpost&p=1292288126)