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Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg
31st October 2007, 15:21
It seems that the Uk and US governments are preparing for war on Iran. it seems grotesquly similar to the build up to Iraq...economic war first and soon military war.

Aparently, just like Iraq, Iran has:

WMD...could attack us at any time
A dictator.....oppresive tyrrant, a threat to peace in the region and the woldr
And of course....arming terrorists, endangering "our boys" in Iraq.

The UN have found no nuclear wepons after months of inspections, no concreate links between terrorist and Iran, and like the US and UK give a fuck about democracy in Iran...

Once again the public is being fooled into a war with Iran. Another oil war.

We must mobalise now in protest against any actions taken against Iran.

Comrade Nadezhda
31st October 2007, 15:40
The US and UK are using the war on terror as an excuse for invading foreign nations on false pretenses with the intention of using it for their own advantage-- to serve in their bourgeois states' interests-- it has nothing to do with "terror" it is simply just an excuse to cover up their intentions- consistent of only their ruling class' personal interests- domination of world power, resources and along with it-- capital.

spartan
31st October 2007, 16:13
Comrade Nadezhda is right!

They use this "war on terror" thing as an excuse to invade resource rich nations, which usually happen to be Muslim countries, so the western Bourgeoisie have a new market and lots of resources to invest in.

But i personally believe that the USA does not have the guts to invade Iran.

Why?

Well because for one Iran is too big a country to occupy with ground troops and if the USA do go in there with infantry well there whole army is going to have to go in and this will leave America's intrests around the world very vulnerable (Japan is vulnerable to China and the DPRK, South Korea is vulnerable to the DPRK, Taiwan is vulnerable to China, etc).

There is also the fact that the USA's military forces will be in 3 countries, Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq, which are all bordering each other.

You would have thought that America would have learnt their lesson after Vietnam but even after Afghanistan and Iraq they are still intent on going into other sovereign nations with their army and force regime change.

At the end of the day after years of war the majority of the American people, just like at the end of the Vietnam war, are sick and tired of war and wont support this type of action again for a good few years.

Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg
31st October 2007, 16:20
I dont think they will invade on the ground, more likely to be an air strike on nuclear facilities thus causing an Iranian chernoble

spartan
31st October 2007, 16:29
I dont think they will invade on the ground, more likely to be an air strike on nuclear facilities thus causing an Iranian chernoble
That is what i thought would be the likely scenario!

But would'nt that be what the current leadership of Iran wants as it could unify the majority of Iranians against the Americans, thus giving more support to the current Iranian leadership which has not been in the majority of it's people good books recently what with rising fuel prices and all amongst other things, and could result in Iran launching an all or nothing offensive into Afghanistan and Iraq!

The Iranians will already have the help of their allies, the Shi'ite militia forces, in Iraq whilst i am sure that the Taliban will have no problem working with the Iranians if it means they get back into power and reinstate Islamic law (Something i am sure the current Iranian leadership will support).

I think that if this indeed happened it could result in the Americans being forced to breaking point in the middle east and their future decline being speeded up very fast as they would have lost even more credit then they have now!

Y Chwyldro Comiwnyddol Cymraeg
31st October 2007, 16:44
At a high cost...thousands of Iranian would be infected by radiation and scare the nation for generations. But as you said it wold unify the people.

Im opposed to Americas persence in the region, and as much as i respect their rigt to self-determination the si'ite forces and others are reilgious fundamentalist and would dangerously fuse the state with religion.

spartan
31st October 2007, 16:52
Im opposed to Americas persence in the region, and as much as i respect their rigt to self-determination the si'ite forces and others are reilgious fundamentalist and would dangerously fuse the state with religion.
Oh yes i know and i am not supporting the Religious fundamentalist ideology and politics in any way!

But the fact remains that the Religious fundamentalists are the biggest anti-Imperialist forces in these countries currently under Imperialist control and they are also the only forces giving a good fight and killing those damn US Imperialists troops who are enforcing Imperialist control over the conquered countries resources and their rule.

Comrade Nadezhda
31st October 2007, 17:04
Originally posted by spartan+October 31, 2007 10:13 am--> (spartan @ October 31, 2007 10:13 am)You would have thought that America would have learnt their lesson after Vietnam but even after Afghanistan and Iraq they are still intent on going into other sovereign nations with their army and force regime change.

At the end of the day after years of war the majority of the American people, just like at the end of the Vietnam war, are sick and tired of war and wont support this type of action again for a good few years.[/b]
I don't necessarily think the United States is concerned with this-- because they have not only been able to use certain "claims" to their advantage but to use them to fuel the war on terror, which it is certainly what they will continue to do, especially in regards to Iran and North Korea.


Y Chwildro Comiwnyddol [email protected] 31, 2007 10:20 am
I dont think they will invade on the ground, more likely to be an air strike on nuclear facilities thus causing an Iranian chernoble
Likely-- however, it seems evident that how the US and UK choose to carry this out will be determined by how they can use it for their advantage to fuel the war on terror further to secure the ruling class' interests.



I dont think they will invade on the ground, more likely to be an air strike on nuclear facilities thus causing an Iranian chernoble
That is what i thought would be the likely scenario!

But would'nt that be what the leadership of Iran wants as it could unify the majority of Iranians against the Americans, thus giving more support to the Iranian leadership which has not been in the majority of it's people good books with rising fuel prices amongst other things, and could result in Iran launching an all or nothing offensive into Afghanistan and Iraq!

The Iranians will already have the help of their allies the Shi'ite militia forces in Iraq and this could result in the Americans being forced to breaking point in the middle east?
If that was the case, the US and UK would use it as a way to recruit blind sleep into going to war to fight for their bourgeois states-- possibly even impose a draft.

That is what seems the US is attempting to do in regards to North Korea-- insisting that North Korea is transfering nuclear weapons to the Middle East. That is the same thing they are arguing in regards to Iran. If anything, their actions in regards to Iran will likely be based upon the such intention-- so the way they choose to carry it out may in fact not even be influenced by the result-- but that they could use it as a ploy to gain support for the war so they can secure their efforts in attaining their bourgeois interests.


At a high cost...thousands of Iranian would be infected by radiation and scare the nation for generations. But as you said it wold unify the people.

Im opposed to Americas persence in the region, and as much as i respect their rigt to self-determination the si'ite forces and others are reilgious fundamentalist and would dangerously fuse the state with religion.
Regardless, the US and UK may use the result(s) of the such to secure their presence in the region-- it may not be determined by the actual results but how they could go about using these results to their advantage in securing their own bourgeois interests as well.

Red Terror Doctor
31st October 2007, 17:25
I'm glad you guys put up this thread because I've been expecting the fascist Bush oil and gas junta to have invaded Iran a long time ago, only the war next door prevented them from doing so. Now it looks like they will try. I hate to say it but it looks like World War III is on the horizon. What can we do? A word from William Blum:

Usually when I'm asked "But what can we do?", my reply is something along the lines of: Inasmuch as I can not see violent revolution succeeding in the United States (something deep inside tells me that we couldn't quite match the government's firepower, not to mention their viciousness), I can offer no solution to stopping the imperial beast other than: Educate yourself and as many others as you can, increasing the number of those in the opposition until it reaches a critical mass, at which point ... I can't predict the form the explosion will take.

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/aer50.htm