New nazi murder.

[Autonome-Antifa]

20th of October in Moscow nazis killed 23 years old Ovanes Ajriumian.

He was antifascist and drummer from Toxic Trace. They attacked him when he walked to home. Nazis stabed knife 30 times into his body.

[jaffe]

Dit is al de zoveelste in een korte periode. Het is daar goed mis.

RIP

[Led Zeppelin]

Moved to anti-fascism.

[Autonome-Antifa]

Hoch die Anti- Nationale Solidariteit.

[1968]

Originally posted by Autonome-[email protected] 25, 2007 07:10 am
20th of October in Moscow nazis killed 23 years old Ovanes Ajriumian.

He was antifascist and drummer from Toxic Trace. They attacked him when he walked to home. Nazis stabed knife 30 times into his body.
tragic. RIP.

[UndergroundConnexion]

laf. stelletje hyenas met zn allen op 10 man gaan.
rest in peace companero

[socialistpunk]

fucking facist scum !!!!

[Organic Revolution]

Russia needs an organization to combat these murderers. Where is the damn AFA/ARA??

[Cmde. Slavyanski]

Nearly every political group in Russia is full of shit one way or another. Left, Right, or otherwise.

[AntifaHooligan]

Im getting so fucking sick of all these nazi murders. We should revenge them!
GO OUT THERE AND KILL SOME NAZIS!

[Red_Hooligan]

His murder won't go un-avenged; leave it to the comrades over there to take care of it. You don't think they have plans for retaliation?

We may or may not hear about it, especially if you're a keyboard jockey. I wouldn't worry about it...they get one of ours, we'll get two of them. It happens.

How many of the murders/beatings/attacks on EITHER side do you think you actually hear about via this site?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Originally posted by Northern Front
facts that the Fash are far more violent and perhaps age has something to do with itare you trying to terrorize the Antifa with that statement of your? <_<
every single person could be more violent than the other, not just those Fashits, damn with how violent they are, eye for an eye, fight back guys&#33; kill the murderer&#33;

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by Maya+November 12, 2007 05:30 pm--> (Maya &#064; November 12, 2007 05:30 pm)
Northern Front
facts that the Fash are far more violent and perhaps age has something to do with itare you trying to terrorize the Antifa with that statement of your? <_<
every single person could be more violent than the other, not just those Fashits, damn with how violent they are, eye for an eye, fight back guys&#33; kill the murderer&#33; [/b]
Agreed&#33;

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by Maya+November 12, 2007 12:30 pm--> (Maya &#064; November 12, 2007 12:30 pm)
Northern Front
facts that the Fash are far more violent and perhaps age has something to do with itare you trying to terrorize the Antifa with that statement of your? <_<
every single person could be more violent than the other, not just those Fashits, damn with how violent they are, eye for an eye, fight back guys&#33; kill the murderer&#33; [/b]
No, what he&#39;s saying is in most cases correct, the far-right has a much greater history of violence, particularly in Eastern Europe, than the left does. You&#39;re correct in saying that this can be changed easily, but what Northern Front said about the feeling of hopelessness and the "nothing left to lose attitude" found among many in the far-right definitely attributes to their willingness to use violence.

P.S. Without sounding like an armchair revolutionary, because I am not, I want to point out that I much prefer the statement "two eyes for one eye" ;) .

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by Northern [email protected] 12, 2007 05:19 pm
Agreed. Although I find it&#39;s very rare we here of any Antifa killing Fascists. Beating yes, but straight out murder,no. I suspect it may be due to facts that the Fash are far more violent and perhaps age has something to do with it.

When looking at the age demographics between the violent far left and the far right, the far right tend to be more of a wider age group, from late teens to 50+, whereas the far left seems to be more mid-teens to late 20&#39;s,students,artists with something positive to look for in the future.

The violent far right tend to be stuck in tin cans from 9-5 and struggling for everything in their opinion, jail could be seen as a &#39;minor setback&#39; or &#39;3 squares and a cot&#39;.

Agree or disagree?

No mate, I don&#39;t know anyone in Antifa under 20, most are over 30. And are hard working, decent lads. Perhaps the same is true of the far right. I&#39;m don&#39;t know.

[Red_Hooligan]

In response to the poster that mentioned you never hear about antifa killing Nazis, let me just say this...

In the US, its very unheard of. But every so often, I&#39;ll hear by word of mouth (not internet bs) of a bonehead getting offed, either in Latin America or Europe, usually.

Just because those comrades don&#39;t brag about their victories on the internet, doesn&#39;t mean they don&#39;t happen. And I&#39;d rather it stay this way, lest we fall victim to the insane amounts of FBI informants that the Nazis have in their ranks.

[jaffe]

I&#39;m quite sure it does happen often, inside prison or where ever.

I only know one case where a naziskin got &#39;killed&#39;. Tomek Wilkoszewski from Poland was may times beaten up by a nazi gang. When got attacked by naziskins again he defended himself, one naziskin died of losing to much blood. He got 15 years and is still in prison.

In prison colour decides which group/gang you &#39;must&#39; join.
And maybe guys from white power prison gangs got killed but I don&#39;t see them as active/political nazis. For example one of the leaders of the white prison gang from what I believe was called aryan guard was Jewish.

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 09:47 am

I&#39;m quite sure it does happen often, inside prison or where ever.

I only know one case where a naziskin got &#39;killed&#39;. Tomek Wilkoszewski from Poland was may times beaten up by a nazi gang. When got attacked by naziskins again he defended himself, one naziskin died of losing to much blood. He got 15 years and is still in prison.

In prison colour decides which group/gang you &#39;must&#39; join.
And maybe guys from white power prison gangs got killed but I don&#39;t see them as active/political nazis. For example one of the leaders of the white prison gang from what I believe was called aryan guard was Jewish.
Daniel Wretstrøm, swedish fash that got beaten up and stabbed by a gang of anti-racists.
And i know that a fash was beaten to death in the USA a few months ago.
Also, i know some cases in Germany where fascists been killed by antifa.

[jaffe]

And I know.....
do you have sources ore links ??


swedish fash that got beaten up and stabbed by a gang of anti-racists
a gang of anti-racists????? :huh:
Who was it?? MS-13 doing anti-racist bussines?? :wacko:

[AntifaHooligan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 03:47 pm
sources??
Cant find any right now, except for on Daniel Wretstrøm, but I think most of them are in swedish. Actually, the murder on Daniel Wretstrøm is the reason for the nazi march in Salem. The march is on the same date as the murder (8. december).

[jaffe]

I know I asked a swedish RF member about it.
But stop making claims without sources because otherwise anyone can make their own story. And then everything on this board is hard to believe or to trust.

[Autonome-Antifa]

Young antifascist killed in Madrid


The young antifascist Carlos was killed yesterday (11 november) morning, he was killed after being stabbed by a nazi-skin. The incident occurred at Legazpi metro station, one more antifascist was seriously injured from the same nazi-skin.
According to local police 5 persons have been arrested, one supposedly the murderer of Carlos, who was also injured with several other nazi-skins.


Young antifascist killed in Madrid

The young antifascist Carlos was killed yesterday (11 november) morning, he was killed after being stabbed by a nazi-skin. The incident occurred at Legazpi metro station, one more antifascist was seriously injured from the same nazi-skin.
According to local police 5 persons have been arrested, one supposedly the murderer of Carlos, who was also injured with several other nazi-skins.

The circumstances of the tragic death was a fascist & racist demonstration announced by the "Las juventudes de Democracia national" (Nazi-party)
This party has a legal status as a political party, their demonstration was going to take place with the approval of the head national police in Madrid.
This is a serious issue, since the government hereby is accepting Nazi demonstration to take place, -despite the Spanish law against racism & xenophobia.

Spontaneous demonstrations took place in Madrid, as-well as other major Spanish cities, to condemn the Nazi violence.
In Madrid the demonstration led to fights with the police.

There has been a increase of nazi aggressions in Madrid during the last year.
Due to this Antifascist groups had decided to confront the demonstrations like the one that took place yesterday.
Even after Carlos&#39; death Antifascist attacked the Nazi demonstration, which was being protected by the police.

[RNK]

Actually, the news probably wouldn&#39;t even report the dead Nazi as a Nazi -- it&#39;d probably just be about someone getting murdered.

But I must say, Antifas really need to become more violent and really do need to start using lethal force against Nazis.

[jaffe]

yeah...

and you&#39;re probably not the one who is doing it.
I really am sick/getting tired of all these people on this board talking shit about killing nazis, bombing them, take the same violent strategys as them bla bla bla....

Some times I wonder how much of you ever witnesed/had a fight?
It&#39;s not a fun thing to do/watch and absolutly not a thing to glorify.
I have all the respect for the people who are really standing up against neo-nazis. Esspecialy those who are in the worst places like Russia, Eastern Germany etc.
Sitting safe behind a desk and say people should get more violent is such an easy thing to do.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by Northern [email protected] 14, 2007 06:54 am

In prison colour decides which group/gang you &#39;must&#39; join.
And maybe guys from white power prison gangs got killed but I don&#39;t see them as active/political nazis. For example one of the leaders of the white prison gang from what I believe was called aryan guard was Jewish.

The Aryan Brotherhood. 1 leading member was half jewish, Tyler Bingham. The Heroin Brotherhood in America is ruthless, I read some stats about their numbers, something along the lines of, they make up 1% of the prison population, yet are accounted for 18% of all prison murders. Granted, the murders are all drug related, somebody shot somebody&#39;s profit into their own arms, etc.

Seems to me, most Fash on the street get it by people of other races, weather it&#39;s black/Latino etc.
Are the Heroin and Aryan Brotherhoods the same thing? :huh:

[Fawkes]

Originally posted by Red_Anarchist+November 15, 2007 04:41 pm--> (Red_Anarchist @ November 15, 2007 04:41 pm)
Northern [email protected] 14, 2007 06:54 am

In prison colour decides which group/gang you &#39;must&#39; join.
And maybe guys from white power prison gangs got killed but I don&#39;t see them as active/political nazis. For example one of the leaders of the white prison gang from what I believe was called aryan guard was Jewish.

The Aryan Brotherhood. 1 leading member was half jewish, Tyler Bingham. The Heroin Brotherhood in America is ruthless, I read some stats about their numbers, something along the lines of, they make up 1% of the prison population, yet are accounted for 18% of all prison murders. Granted, the murders are all drug related, somebody shot somebody&#39;s profit into their own arms, etc.

Seems to me, most Fash on the street get it by people of other races, weather it&#39;s black/Latino etc.
Are the Heroin and Aryan Brotherhoods the same thing? :huh: [/b]
It&#39;s just a play on words displaying the fact that the Aryan Brotherhood cares little about "Aryans" and more about heroin.

[_v_]

Originally posted by Autonome&#045;[email protected] 13, 2007 04:22 pm
Young antifascist killed in Madrid


The young antifascist Carlos was killed yesterday (11 november) morning, he was killed after being stabbed by a nazi-skin. The incident occurred at Legazpi metro station, one more antifascist was seriously injured from the same nazi-skin.
According to local police 5 persons have been arrested, one supposedly the murderer of Carlos, who was also injured with several other nazi-skins.


Young antifascist killed in Madrid

The young antifascist Carlos was killed yesterday (11 november) morning, he was killed after being stabbed by a nazi-skin. The incident occurred at Legazpi metro station, one more antifascist was seriously injured from the same nazi-skin.
According to local police 5 persons have been arrested, one supposedly the murderer of Carlos, who was also injured with several other nazi-skins.

The circumstances of the tragic death was a fascist & racist demonstration announced by the "Las juventudes de Democracia national" (Nazi-party)
This party has a legal status as a political party, their demonstration was going to take place with the approval of the head national police in Madrid.
This is a serious issue, since the government hereby is accepting Nazi demonstration to take place, -despite the Spanish law against racism & xenophobia.

Spontaneous demonstrations took place in Madrid, as-well as other major Spanish cities, to condemn the Nazi violence.
In Madrid the demonstration led to fights with the police.

There has been a increase of nazi aggressions in Madrid during the last year.
Due to this Antifascist groups had decided to confront the demonstrations like the one that took place yesterday.
Even after Carlos&#39; death Antifascist attacked the Nazi demonstration, which was being protected by the police.
I was told about this a couple of days ago.

RIP Carlos, Companero

[dty06]

Originally posted by Autonome&#045;[email protected] 13, 2007 04:21 pm
Young antifascist killed in Madrid


The young antifascist Carlos was killed yesterday (11 november) morning, he was killed after being stabbed by a nazi-skin. The incident occurred at Legazpi metro station, one more antifascist was seriously injured from the same nazi-skin.
According to local police 5 persons have been arrested, one supposedly the murderer of Carlos, who was also injured with several other nazi-skins.


Young antifascist killed in Madrid

The young antifascist Carlos was killed yesterday (11 november) morning, he was killed after being stabbed by a nazi-skin. The incident occurred at Legazpi metro station, one more antifascist was seriously injured from the same nazi-skin.
According to local police 5 persons have been arrested, one supposedly the murderer of Carlos, who was also injured with several other nazi-skins.

The circumstances of the tragic death was a fascist & racist demonstration announced by the "Las juventudes de Democracia national" (Nazi-party)
This party has a legal status as a political party, their demonstration was going to take place with the approval of the head national police in Madrid.
This is a serious issue, since the government hereby is accepting Nazi demonstration to take place, -despite the Spanish law against racism & xenophobia.

Spontaneous demonstrations took place in Madrid, as-well as other major Spanish cities, to condemn the Nazi violence.
In Madrid the demonstration led to fights with the police.

There has been a increase of nazi aggressions in Madrid during the last year.
Due to this Antifascist groups had decided to confront the demonstrations like the one that took place yesterday.
Even after Carlos&#39; death Antifascist attacked the Nazi demonstration, which was being protected by the police.
And here i was thinking that with such horrors like the Spanish Inquisition, they&#39;d be appalled that this has happened yet again.

So much for the "leftist" prime minister of Spain.

RIP, i hope that your death is not in vain.

[wefreepunk823]

horrible :( RIP

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by Northern [email protected] 14, 2007 01:53 am

In prison colour decides which group/gang you &#39;must&#39; join.
And maybe guys from white power prison gangs got killed but I don&#39;t see them as active/political nazis. For example one of the leaders of the white prison gang from what I believe was called aryan guard was Jewish.


Kind of off topic--but isn&#39;t prison where most skinhead gangs recruit new members?

Even if the answer is no, there&#39;s overwhelming evidence that capitalist prisons breed crime, rather than counter it.

[socialistpunk]

anyone reminded of the statement "an eye for a eye and the world is blind" although i agree i don&#39;t see how fighting will help even though in the past i have said i would want to fight them it just might be what they want to get the left all riled up about it and use it against us

[w0lf]

Horrible. Nazi scum.