Cuban Military Coup

[Faux Real]

George Bush today appeared to invite the Cuban military to mount a coup against the Castro-led government.

In his first major speech on Cuba for four years, Mr Bush called on governments worldwide to back pro-democracy movements in the country.

He called on ordinary Cubans to take action, saying they had the power to shape their own destiny. "You can bring about a future where your leaders answer to you," he said.

In what pro-Castro groups interpreted as a plea for military intervention, he directed comments to senior officers: "You may have once believed in the revolution. Now you can see its failure."

He was speaking at the state department to an invited audience that included Cuban dissidents, including families of prisoners.

Some Democratic members of US Congress have been advocating a change in US policy to one in which the US ends its blockade and engages with the Cubans. But Mr Bush rejected their pleas.

Hillary Clinton, the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination, is committed to maintaining the hard line towards Cuba.

Fidel Castro, who handed over power to his brother Raul last year, in comments published ahead of Mr Bush's widely-trailed speech, said: "Bush is obsessed with Cuba. Don't attack others, don't threaten humanity with nuclear war. People will defend themselves, and in that inferno we will all perish."

Sarah Stephens, director of the Centre for Democracy in the Americas, said: "The president's speech was ill-informed and unwise - the transition on Cuba has already taken place and his speculation that force might be used by Cubans against Cubans is unwise and irresponsible.

"This vision of upheaval on Cuba runs counter to what Cubans want and avoiding violence should be the policy of the United States."
Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/cuba/story/0,,2198329,00.html).

After Iraq, and possibly Iran, I'm pretty sure the next military ventures for the US will be in countries like Venezuela, Cuba, and maybe Bolivia; if they don't halt this "21st century socialism" model.

Maybe if Americas economy becomes crippled by peak oil and resource wars it wouldn't be able to do such things, as well as bringing revolutionary sentiment amongst it's peoples.

[Marsella]

Why would GWB call for the Cuban military of ALL people to mount a coup?

Isn't Raul the head of the military?!

Great, just what we can look forward to - Cuba run under another military dictatorship.

Some democracy... <_<

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by Martov+October 24, 2007 07:01 pm--> (Martov @ October 24, 2007 07:01 pm) Why would GWB call for the Cuban military of ALL people to mount a coup?

Isn&#39;t Raul the head of the military?&#33;

Great, just what we can look forward to - Cuba run under another military dictatorship.

Some democracy... <_< [/b]
I think Bush will occupy Cuba, since Raul will never listen to him, but still--America has never met a latin-american military dictator it didn&#39;t like.

Chile 1973 = Cuba 2007?


Shrub
"You may have once believed in the revolution. Now you can see its failure."

I think that applies more to the 1776 American &#39;revolution&#39;&#33; :lol:

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I think Bush will occupy Cuba, since Raul will never listen to him

That&#39;s a silly assertion. The U.S. military is stretched thin anyways. If the U.S. wanted to invade, they would have in the 90&#39;s.

Besides the military in Cuba is pretty "conservative" meaning they support the status quo, and the military is almost a state within a state, in some ways seperated from the rest of society, and it is tightly controlled and officers as said are very loyal to the government.

[Robespierre2.0]

Absolutely sickening. I can&#39;t think of anything else to say- I&#39;m just so disgusted that an evil cocksucker like Bush can talk about &#39;democracy&#39;- especially towards our comrades in Cuba.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Who are those "comrades"?

Cubans generally think of westerners as rich spoiled sunburned men and women who can&#39;t dance, and certainly not "comrades".

[blackstone]

Originally posted by Karl Marx&#39;s [email protected] 25, 2007 09:28 am
Who are those "comrades"?

Cubans generally think of westerners as rich spoiled sunburned men and women who can&#39;t dance, and certainly not "comrades".
I&#39;m not a "Westerner" and i got Souuuul. If i goto Cuba, they&#39;d probably think i&#39;m an Afro-Cuban.

[Robespierre2.0]

Originally posted by Karl Marx&#39;s [email protected] 25, 2007 02:28 pm
Who are those "comrades"?

Cubans generally think of westerners as rich spoiled sunburned men and women who can&#39;t dance, and certainly not "comrades".
I&#39;m talking about my fellow communists. Yeah, I get sunburnt easily, and can&#39;t dance, but I&#39;m definitely not rich. Why can&#39;t I call other communists my comrades?

[Colonello Buendia]

Yeah, though we of the west aren&#39;t as soulful we aren&#39;t all rich... and anyway all leftists call eachother comrade

[RedStarOverChina]

Cuba needs all the help it can get from South America. I&#39;m really worried about Cuba&#39;s future.

Trying to form a South American union should be the top priority for Cuba, Venezuela and others.

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Karl Marx&#39;s [email protected] 25, 2007 02:28 pm
Who are those "comrades"?

Cubans generally think of westerners as rich spoiled sunburned men and women who can&#39;t dance, and certainly not "comrades".
Fellow communists. Yes, they are most definitely comrades, much to your dismay. I&#39;m not sure why you&#39;re so eager to disparage the connections between genuine communists (actually, on second thought, I have a good idea). By the way, in case anyone&#39;s keeping score, some of the more impressive dancing styles in the world have come from the US. Furthermore (on edit), hip hop is wildly popular in Cuba and growing. Nice try Karl Marx&#39;s Camel, but your drivel won&#39;t go anywhere here.

In any case, this is to be expected. We must be ready to support and aid our Cuban comrades in any situation.

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by Karl Marx&#39;s Camel+October 25, 2007 07:55 am--> (Karl Marx&#39;s Camel @ October 25, 2007 07:55 am)
COMRADE CRUM
I think Bush will occupy Cuba, since Raul will never listen to him

That&#39;s a silly assertion. The U.S. military is stretched thin anyways. If the U.S. wanted to invade, they would have in the 90&#39;s.

Besides the military in Cuba is pretty "conservative" meaning they support the status quo, and the military is almost a state within a state, in some ways seperated from the rest of society, and it is tightly controlled and officers as said are very loyal to the government. [/b]
Bush is not exactly renown for good &#39;strategerie&#39;. It will be ill-advised, but I think Bush, or the next Repubican president (if there is another one) will attempt to invade Cuba.

I may be wrong, they may just send spies and &#39;advisors&#39;, but the US WILL continue to interfere with Cuba&#39;s internal affairs.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I&#39;m not a "Westerner" and i got Souuuul. If i goto Cuba, they&#39;d probably think i&#39;m an Afro-Cuban.
True.


Furthermore (on edit), hip hop is wildly popular in Cuba and growing.

Yes, so?

I dare say most people in the West don&#39;t know how to dance hip hop, and besides we are talking about the way Cubans move their bodies when they dance, which is quite special.


I&#39;m talking about my fellow communists.

"Communists" in Cuba is generally different than communists in other places. If you are regime loyal (for whatever reason) you are communist. That&#39;s often how easy it is.


Yeah, I get sunburnt easily, and can&#39;t dance, but I&#39;m definitely not rich. Why can&#39;t I call other communists my comrades?

I&#39;m not rich either, but since I look European and am European they think I am.

[Goatse]

I doubt the US will be invading Cuba in the near future. Its military is stretched thin as it is, and they&#39;d have a much harder time convincing the population to support (or stand by and watch) an invasion of Cuba.

[Comrade Rage]

Why wouldn&#39;t the US invade Cuba? The US has been meddling in it&#39;s affairs for over a century, they hate communists, and they&#39;re being run by a madman who believes there is next to no restraint on his power-who won&#39;t face the music about his military...

Why wouldn&#39;t the US invade Cuba?

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Why wouldn&#39;t the US invade Cuba?


The U.S. military is stretched thin anyways. If the U.S. wanted to invade, they would have in the 90&#39;s.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 25, 2007 05:34 pm
Why wouldn&#39;t the US invade Cuba?
Because they haven&#39;t the resolve. With a professional army they don&#39;t have enough strenght to be in Afghanistan and Iraq simultaneously; Cuba is too much for them. And can you figure draft reinstation in the US?

It&#39;s not going to happen.

Luís Henrique

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by Luís Henrique+October 25, 2007 01:30 pm--> (Luís Henrique @ October 25, 2007 01:30 pm)
COMRADE [email protected] 25, 2007 05:34 pm
Why wouldn&#39;t the US invade Cuba?
Because they haven&#39;t the resolve. With a professional army they don&#39;t have enough strenght to be in Afghanistan and Iraq simultaneously; Cuba is too much for them. And can you figure draft reinstation in the US?

It&#39;s not going to happen.

Luís Henrique [/b]
I&#39;m not saying it&#39;ll be successful--I&#39;m just saying that they&#39;ll try and fail miserably.

Bush is out of touch with reality, he thinks he can continue the occupation--and invade Iran&#33;&#33; Iran is a much larger country than Cuba, so why would he have any reservations about Cuba?

[manic expression]

Originally posted by Karl Marx&#39;s [email protected] 25, 2007 05:21 pm
Yes, so?

I dare say most people in the West don&#39;t know how to dance hip hop, and besides we are talking about the way Cubans move their bodies when they dance, which is quite special.
Yes, so? American styles of expression (which include music, dance, graphic arts and poetry) are popular in Cuba. That many Americans don&#39;t understand them perfectly is, again, irrelevant. Everyone knows that Cubans are great at dancing, but I&#39;m just setting the story straight here: American dance is beyond respectable and its genre is popular in Cuba.

More info that might help you out:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...earch&plindex=0 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2279664345934159589&q=freshest+kids&total=1191&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Anyway, back on topic, the US doesn&#39;t need to invade, it is more likely to attempt a CIA action that doesn&#39;t call for as many resources. However, the Cuban workers are familiar with these tactics and have beaten the reactionaries before.

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by manic [email protected] 25, 2007 01:37 pm
Anyway, back on topic, the US doesn&#39;t need to invade, it is more likely to attempt a CIA action that doesn&#39;t call for as many resources. However, the Cuban workers are familiar with these tactics and have beaten the reactionaries before.
I hope they send Felix Rodriguez, so the Cuban people can get their revenge on his ass. :che:

[Guerrilla22]

LoL, no one takes Bush seriously. He&#39;s becoming increasingly irrelevant.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Maniac expression, my own personal observation is that there aren&#39;t too many Americans in Cuba, and those who are seem to be on vacation from their home in Florida, that is, they are exile-cubans.

There is more to "westerner" than "American". We are talking about Europeans and Canadians too, and often it is people in their 40&#39;s and 50&#39;s who travel to Cuba. I don&#39;t know any 50 year olds dancing to hip hop. Anyways, this is really off topic.

[Tatarin]

My guess is that Bush is trying to gather in as much Cubans-in-exile as he can for the next corporate elections next year (for the Republicans).

Both Iran and Cuba have been oppressed by the US for decades, so it will be far more difficult to do anything there, I&#39;d guess because there won&#39;t be hundreds of cells like in Iraq, but one big Cuban resistance and one big Iranian resistance.

[Ultra-Violence]

i hope Cuba an Venezuela have like a merger or something and the shit that comes out of Bushe&#39;s mouth is funny really but i doubt seeing this hapening really as how previous people pointed out the Military is STRETCHED thin and were in a war right now in wich 60% of the population dont belive in but eh

[OneBrickOneVoice]

The Speech is sickening. Its disgusting that Bush would dare to say that Cuba should have leaders who answer to the people, when it is the US government which deprives the people of its healthcare, education, and wages endless war against the will of the majority.


Why wouldn&#39;t the US invade Cuba?

Because its not as good of an investment for US capitalists then invading Iran would be yet it would be just as, if not more costly, (a very, very large sector of the civilian population are trained in paramilitary unlike Iran)

I&#39;m not saying that its off the table though, I definately think its a very real threat. But I think Iran, Syria, and Venezuela are first, Cuba is second

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25, 2007 06:27 pm
The Speech is sickening. Its disgusting that Bush would dare to say that Cuba should have leaders who answer to the people, when it is the US government which deprives the people of its healthcare, education, and wages endless war against the will of the majority.


Why wouldn&#39;t the US invade Cuba?

Because its not as good of an investment for US capitalists then invading Iran would be yet it would be just as, if not more costly, (a very, very large sector of the civilian population are trained in paramilitary unlike Iran)

I&#39;m not saying that its off the table though, I definately think its a very real threat. But I think Iran, Syria, and Venezuela are first, Cuba is second
You&#39;re probably right about that.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

(a very, very large sector of the civilian population are trained in paramilitary unlike Iran)

I thought Iran had a huge paramilitary?



The Basij (or Baseej) is a paramilitary volunteer force controlled by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards; it includes about 90,000 full-time, active-duty uniformed Basij members, up to 300,000 reservists, and a further 11 million men and women who could be mobilized.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iran

But when it comes to military, quality is more important than quantity.

[ComradeR]

Any attack undertaken by the US be it against Iran, Cuba etc. will be done from the air with US ground forces offering support to whatever international force they can scrape together. They simple do not have enough forces to carry out an invasion on they&#39;re own, and barring a draft they will use troops from other nations and/or armed dissident groups for the bulk of the ground fighting and occupation.