A question to vegans

[phasmid]

I was just wondering why some vegans refuse to eat certain vegetables like carrots or cabbages but they have no problem eating nuts or fruit. If there is an issue with "killing" the vegetable, isnt it also "killing" the fruit or nut? Because it contains the living embryo that will develop into a plant. I've never had the opportunity to speak to any vegans so I'd really like to hear your views.

[Dr Mindbender]

im not a vegan or vegetarian for that matter by any means but i guess the main rationale for them is that since vegetables and fruits arent sentient beings without brains or pain receptors they have no concept of pain or suffering in the same way that a mammal or bird would.

I have however heard of a philosophical branch known as the 'fruitarians' who are basically hardcore vegans with concerns about the issue you have mentioned. Not only do they refrain from any animal or dairy produce, they refuse to eat any plant vegetable or nut until they have been naturally ejected from the earth or tree since it can no longer be regarded as a living being since it is no longer part of the host plant therefore effectively 'dead'.

[phasmid]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 23, 2007 01:56 am
im not a vegan or vegetarian for that matter by any means but i guess the main rationale for them is that since vegetables and fruits arent sentient beings without brains or pain receptors they have no concept of pain or suffering in the same way that a mammal or bird would.

I have however heard of a philosophical branch known as the 'fruitarians' who are basically hardcore vegans with concerns about the issue you have mentioned. Not only do they refrain from any animal or dairy produce, they refuse to eat any plant vegetable or nut until they have been naturally ejected from the earth or tree since it can no longer be regarded as a living being since it is no longer part of the host plant therefore effectively 'dead'.
I dont see how it can be considered dead since if given the chance it will grow and live.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Alicia+October 23, 2007 01:59 am--> (Alicia @ October 23, 2007 01:59 am)
Ulster [email protected] 23, 2007 01:56 am
im not a vegan or vegetarian for that matter by any means but i guess the main rationale for them is that since vegetables and fruits arent sentient beings without brains or pain receptors they have no concept of pain or suffering in the same way that a mammal or bird would.

I have however heard of a philosophical branch known as the 'fruitarians' who are basically hardcore vegans with concerns about the issue you have mentioned. Not only do they refrain from any animal or dairy produce, they refuse to eat any plant vegetable or nut until they have been naturally ejected from the earth or tree since it can no longer be regarded as a living being since it is no longer part of the host plant therefore effectively 'dead'.
I dont see how it can be considered dead since if given the chance it will grow and live. [/b]
its no more a living thing than your sperm or ovule. If you eat your own cum you arent preventing a baby being concieved.

[Cult of Reason]

Well... they could always ingest the seeds and then shit out in the open, and then spread the plants' genes the way nature intended!

[phasmid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 02:05 am
Well... they could always ingest the seeds and then shit out in the open, and then spread the plants' genes the way nature intended!
Oh ha ha. Arent there any vegans on this board? I really want to know their opinions. Just out of curiosity, Im not going to put anyone down, you can preach your morals all you like if you want, I'm just interested.

[midnight marauder]

I'm a vegan and I have never heard of anyone doing anything like this, my guess would be that if these people exist, they're practically nonexistent and their views are being trumped up to make vegans look like extremists.

[which doctor]

I've never heard of such a "vegan" either.

[phasmid]

Originally posted by midnight [email protected] 23, 2007 03:34 am
I'm a vegan and I have never heard of anyone doing anything like this, my guess would be that if these people exist, they're practically nonexistent and their views are being trumped up to make vegans look like extremists.
Really? Well obviosly I've been fed a lot of hyped up crap. So if you're a vegan does that just mean you dont eat dairy products and eggs?

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by Alicia+October 23, 2007 03:46 am--> (Alicia @ October 23, 2007 03:46 am)
midnight [email protected] 23, 2007 03:34 am
I'm a vegan and I have never heard of anyone doing anything like this, my guess would be that if these people exist, they're practically nonexistent and their views are being trumped up to make vegans look like extremists.
Really? Well obviosly I've been fed a lot of hyped up crap. So if you're a vegan does that just mean you dont eat dairy products and eggs? [/b]
I think the correct definition of vegan is someone who doesn't eat any product which comes from an animal.

[Morello]

Originally posted by Makaveli+October 23, 2007 01:34 pm--> (Makaveli @ October 23, 2007 01:34 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 03:46 am

midnight [email protected] 23, 2007 03:34 am
I'm a vegan and I have never heard of anyone doing anything like this, my guess would be that if these people exist, they're practically nonexistent and their views are being trumped up to make vegans look like extremists.
Really? Well obviosly I've been fed a lot of hyped up crap. So if you're a vegan does that just mean you dont eat dairy products and eggs?
I think the correct definition of vegan is someone who doesn't eat any product which comes from an animal. [/b]
I was under the impression a "Vegetarian" doesn't eat meat like beef and pork but eats dairy and poultry, and a Vegan eats only vegetables and I suppose fruit.

[Revolucija]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarianism

[Lynx]

ovo-vegetarian
lacto-vegetarian
If a vegetarian eats both eggs and milk they might be considered ovo-lacto vegetarian.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 01:49 am
I was just wondering why some vegans refuse to eat certain vegetables like carrots or cabbages but they have no problem eating nuts or fruit.
No vegan has a problem with eating any fruit or vegetables. That would be a Frutarian. Just to clarify.

I've spoken to loads because my ex girlfriend was infact a vegan, and simply told me that Frutarians, may have a point (!?) but can't survivie of of the limited food groups.

[Sam_b]

I was just wondering why some vegans refuse to eat certain vegetables like carrots or cabbages but they have no problem eating nuts or fruit.

This occours quite a lot in the Jain diet as well.

The answer I would pose, as the Jain logic, is that when you pull a vegetable out of the ground (eg carrots, potatoes), there is a risk of causing harm to insects and other small creatures. Whereas the majority of nuts and fruits grown on bushes and trees.

Hope this helps.

[which doctor]

Originally posted by Morello+October 23, 2007 09:11 am--> (Morello @ October 23, 2007 09:11 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 01:34 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 03:46 am

midnight [email protected] 23, 2007 03:34 am
I'm a vegan and I have never heard of anyone doing anything like this, my guess would be that if these people exist, they're practically nonexistent and their views are being trumped up to make vegans look like extremists.
Really? Well obviosly I've been fed a lot of hyped up crap. So if you're a vegan does that just mean you dont eat dairy products and eggs?
I think the correct definition of vegan is someone who doesn't eat any product which comes from an animal.
I was under the impression a "Vegetarian" doesn't eat meat like beef and pork but eats dairy and poultry, and a Vegan eats only vegetables and I suppose fruit. [/b]
Vegetarians don't eat poultry, pork, beef, fish, game, or shellfish. Vegans won't eat any of that or any animal by-products such as eggs, dairy products, honey, etc. Vegans can eat fruits, vegetables, wheat products, nuts, beans, basically anything that grows in the ground.

[More Fire for the People]

You can eat fruits without ending their life-cycle. Hence, fructarians like Ghandi.

[Eleftherios]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 08:32 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruitarianism
Why don't they just stop eating while their at it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia

[dannthraxxx]

Originally posted by Alicia+October 23, 2007 03:46 am--> (Alicia @ October 23, 2007 03:46 am)
midnight [email protected] 23, 2007 03:34 am
I'm a vegan and I have never heard of anyone doing anything like this, my guess would be that if these people exist, they're practically nonexistent and their views are being trumped up to make vegans look like extremists.
Really? Well obviosly I've been fed a lot of hyped up crap. So if you're a vegan does that just mean you dont eat dairy products and eggs? [/b]
I'm vegan. Vegans simply refrain from eating any animal by-product.


Carrots, do not come from animals. Also, I've never heard of anyone not eating carrots or the such. The only reason someone would refrain from eating say, carrots or asparagus is because it makes your cum taste funny. I've heard of that, but never for the fact that it's killing them. heh.

[Vanguard1917]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 08:52 pm
Vegetarians don't eat poultry, pork, beef, fish, game, or shellfish. Vegans won't eat any of that or any animal by-products such as eggs, dairy products, honey, etc. Vegans can eat fruits, vegetables, wheat products, nuts, beans, basically anything that grows in the ground.
Yes, vegans are basically vegetarians who can't have butter and honey on toast.

And people think Islamic dietary laws are restrictive...

[Bilan]

You silly sausage, Vanguard.

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It's as simple as this.
Vegetarians = No meat. Not from Chickens, not from cows. None.
Vegans = no products that come from animals, though there are some who do eat honey.

Vegetables are not sentiment beings; No vegan has anything against eating vegetables, fruits or anything like that.