Bush wont apologize for Burying a Canadien ALIVE

[Mkultra]

Democratic and Republican congressmembers are calling on the Bush administration to apologize to Maher Arar for his wrongful imprisonment and torture. Arar is the Canadian citizen seized by U.S. officials during a stopover flight in New York in 2002. He was secretly sent to Syria as part of the Bush administration’s extraordinary rendition program.

In Syria, Arar was held for almost a year in a grave-like cell and repeatedly tortured. He was released without ever being charged with a crime. On Thursday, Arar testified to the House Judiciary and Foreign Affairs Committee by video-conference because he remains barred from entering the United States. The Bush administration maintains that Arar poses a national security threat.

Democratic Congressmember Gerald Nadler of New York said he reviewed Arar’s confidential file and found the government has no evidence against him. Nadler said: “This was a kidnapping… There is nothing there to justify the continuation of this campaign of vilification against you or to deny you entry into this country.”

Republican Congressmember Dana Rohrabacher, a backer of the administration’s rendition program, added: “I join in offering an apology and I wish our government could join me in doing this officially.”

[lvleph]

Source?

[Mkultra]

http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/268463

[RedStarOverChina]

You AREN'T supposed to do that? Not even to a Canadian? :blink:

[AGITprop]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 08:53 pm
You AREN'T supposed to do that? Not even to a Canadian? :blink:
fuck you..lol Canadians are awesome people.

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just goes to show how anything wrong those right-wing bastards do cannot be acknowledged by them because it ruins their integrity.

who am i kidding, they have no integrity, just what they show to the media and the masses as what they believe to be integrity.

[Tommy-K]

Apology? Apology??? They want a fucking apology. They torture him for a year, keep him in a grave-like cell, and congressmen are asking Bush to say sorry??? I don't think an apology is quite enough, do u?

[ComradeR]

This is all just a political show, you think those bourgeois bastards ever feel remorse for the shit they do in the pursuit of their interests? I'm sure shit like this is far more common then most people think and will continue as long as the bourgeoisie rule.

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by Tommy-[email protected] 20, 2007 10:09 am
Apology? Apology??? They want a fucking apology. They torture him for a year, keep him in a grave-like cell, and congressmen are asking Bush to say sorry??? I don't think an apology is quite enough, do u?
well hes also tryen to get Bush to admit that hes an evil sadistic retarded pig in the process but evil sadistic retarded pigs are never sorry for anything

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 11:48 am
This is all just a political show, you think those bourgeois bastards ever feel remorse for the shit they do in the pursuit of their interests? I'm sure shit like this is far more common then most people think and will continue as long as the bourgeoisie rule.
Bush fits the profile of your classic psychopath--he is beyond Redemption--he needs to be put in a dark hole somewhere forever and never be allowed to walk in the light

[Dimentio]

I cannot understand all this personal hate against Bush.

[Robespierre2.0]

Awww guys don't be so hard on Bush. He's just a simple country bumpkin, and I get the impression he doesn't even know what he's doing. I actually feel sorry for the guy- being the most hated person on earth just because he followed the whims of his overlords.

Besides, the bourgeoisie always do this shit- whenever we completely fuck up like in Vietnam or Iraq, we're led to believe that "the big, bad republican president" is the one truly responsible for the disaster, when it's actually the same corporate fatcat cocksuckers who've been behind every U.S. military action since the 19th century.

Historical materialism, people. History is shaped by masses, not individuals.

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 06:09 pm
I cannot understand all this personal hate against Bush.
then your not living in America--come here and Behold the Monster up close

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by Marxosaurus [email protected] 20, 2007 06:09 pm
Awww guys don't be so hard on Bush. He's just a simple country bumpkin, and I get the impression he doesn't even know what he's doing. I actually feel sorry for the guy- being the most hated person on earth just because he followed the whims of his overlords.

Besides, the bourgeoisie always do this shit- whenever we completely fuck up like in Vietnam or Iraq, we're led to believe that "the big, bad republican president" is the one truly responsible for the disaster, when it's actually the same corporate fatcat cocksuckers who've been behind every U.S. military action since the 19th century.

Historical materialism, people. History is shaped by masses, not individuals.
hes not some simple country bumpkin hes an inbred Ruling class retarded-sadistic pig who gets physically aroused by the deaths of others with an arrogant sense of entitlement just cause he was born with a silver spoon up his nose--Our Country once fought a Revolution against a King that was a far less of a Tyrant then him

[Dimentio]

Originally posted by Mkultra+October 20, 2007 06:12 pm--> (Mkultra @ October 20, 2007 06:12 pm)
[email protected] 20, 2007 06:09 pm
I cannot understand all this personal hate against Bush.
then your not living in America--come here and Behold the Monster up close [/b]
He is one of the weakest presidents ever. It is different factions who are running the country from a day-to-day basis.

[Goatse]

(I know this is just copied and pasted from my post in another thread, but I felt it also applied here. Also, that thread got moved to chit chat, so yeah)

"Bush" is just a figurehead. If it wasn't Bush making war around the world, someone else would. It's easy to hate Bush and act like he's the source of all the world's problems, but he's just a symptom of the true problem - capitalism. If someone assassinated Bush, another one would pop up. If someone assassinated capitalism, then the world might change.

The whole trying to discredit individuals thing is ridiculous. It's just a way of forwarding your own agenda - ie, the Conservatives in Britain discrediting Gordon Brown. They're not trying to change the world, they're trying to get more votes. When Blair left office, Brown came in - and nothing has changed. Focusing on individuals isn't something "leftists" should buy into.

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by Serpent+October 20, 2007 06:19 pm--> (Serpent @ October 20, 2007 06:19 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 06:12 pm

[email protected] 20, 2007 06:09 pm
I cannot understand all this personal hate against Bush.
then your not living in America--come here and Behold the Monster up close
He is one of the weakest presidents ever. It is different factions who are running the country from a day-to-day basis. [/b]
but his very persona--his aura his whatever it is about him INVITES loathing--hes just one of the most hateable creatures to slither across the face of the earth and everyone in his administration is as loathesome as he is as well as all the Nazi Judges he appoints to the Bench--but maybe ONE good thing about him is that he unmasked the Evil to such an extent that even the most dull witted distracted bourgoise people can see him for what he is and it raises their consciousness to being much more open to Liberation

[Mkultra]

and it IS good to use Bush as a symbol for everything we despise because he fits the role so perfectly AND its a tool for raising peoples consciousness--we should use whatever tools we have to our advantage

most people need simple concepts and symbols to latch on to and Bush is a walking Advertisement for the need for Resistence and we should exploit him to the max in such a context

[Dimentio]

He is not perfect, because he is non-renewable. After January 2009, he will belong to the pages of history.

[Goatse]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 06:36 pm
and it IS good to use Bush as a symbol for everything we despise because he fits the role so perfectly AND its a tool for raising peoples consciousness--we should use whatever tools we have to our advantage

most people need simple concepts and symbols to latch on to and Bush is a walking Advertisement for the need for Resistence and we should exploit him to the max in such a context
Using Bush as a symbol of hate will only dellude people into believing that one person is the source of all their problems.

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 06:37 pm
He is not perfect, because he is non-renewable. After January 2009, he will belong to the pages of history.
on that date we can update our strategy

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by Goatse+October 20, 2007 06:41 pm--> (Goatse @ October 20, 2007 06:41 pm)
[email protected] 20, 2007 06:36 pm
and it IS good to use Bush as a symbol for everything we despise because he fits the role so perfectly AND its a tool for raising peoples consciousness--we should use whatever tools we have to our advantage

most people need simple concepts and symbols to latch on to and Bush is a walking Advertisement for the need for Resistence and we should exploit him to the max in such a context
Using Bush as a symbol of hate will only dellude people into believing that one person is the source of all their problems. [/b]
but when you demonize the man (however in Bushs case its more like demonizing a demon) you also demonize everything he represents--Ive learned this from how the Hate Media in America was able to turn "liberal" into a dirty word--now because of Bush the word "Neocon" is the new dirty word

[Comrade Rage]

Originally posted by Serpent+October 20, 2007 01:09 pm--> (Serpent @ October 20, 2007 01:09 pm) I cannot understand all this personal hate against Bush. [/b]
:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:


[email protected] 28 minutes ago
He is not perfect, because he is non-renewable. After January 2009, he will belong to the pages of history.
Actually I heard that in 2009 he will become the Commissioner of Major League Baseball.

[Luís Henrique]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 06:09 pm
I cannot understand all this personal hate against Bush.
It substitutes for class analysis, so that you can feel good without having to address the real problem - the bourgeois domination of your country.

Luís Henrique

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by Luís Henrique+October 20, 2007 08:22 pm--> (Luís Henrique @ October 20, 2007 08:22 pm)
[email protected] 20, 2007 06:09 pm
I cannot understand all this personal hate against Bush.
It substitutes for class analysis, so that you can feel good without having to address the real problem - the bourgeois domination of your country.

Luís Henrique [/b]
but Bush is hated precisely because of the class he exclusively represents

[Eleftherios]

Originally posted by Mkultra+October 20, 2007 02:24 pm--> (Mkultra @ October 20, 2007 02:24 pm)
Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 20, 2007 08:22 pm

[email protected] 20, 2007 06:09 pm
I cannot understand all this personal hate against Bush.
It substitutes for class analysis, so that you can feel good without having to address the real problem - the bourgeois domination of your country.

Luís Henrique
but Bush is hated precisely because of the class he exclusively represents [/b]
The Democrats don't think so.

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by Alcaeos+October 20, 2007 08:46 pm--> (Alcaeos @ October 20, 2007 08:46 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 02:24 pm

Originally posted by Luís [email protected] 20, 2007 08:22 pm

[email protected] 20, 2007 06:09 pm
I cannot understand all this personal hate against Bush.
It substitutes for class analysis, so that you can feel good without having to address the real problem - the bourgeois domination of your country.

Luís Henrique
but Bush is hated precisely because of the class he exclusively represents
The Democrats don't think so. [/b]
mainstream Dems dont think much at all--theyre just fearful reactive sheep

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 06:48 am
This is all just a political show, you think those bourgeois bastards ever feel remorse for the shit they do in the pursuit of their interests? I'm sure shit like this is far more common then most people think and will continue as long as the bourgeoisie rule.
exactly,

the bourgeois state must be overthrown.


mainstream Dems dont think much at all--theyre just fearful reactive sheep
there isnt a difference between democrats/republicans- they are all bourgeois and they react to each other - it's just pointless capitalist vs. capitalist bullshit - it is all in favor of bourgeois democracy regardless of the label.

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by Comrade Nadezhda+October 21, 2007 04:22 pm--> (Comrade Nadezhda @ October 21, 2007 04:22 pm)
[email protected] 20, 2007 06:48 am
This is all just a political show, you think those bourgeois bastards ever feel remorse for the shit they do in the pursuit of their interests? I'm sure shit like this is far more common then most people think and will continue as long as the bourgeoisie rule.
exactly,

the bourgeois state must be overthrown.


mainstream Dems dont think much at all--theyre just fearful reactive sheep
there isnt a difference between democrats/republicans- they are all bourgeois and they react to each other - it's just pointless capitalist vs. capitalist bullshit - it is all in favor of bourgeois democracy regardless of the label. [/b]
well dems are the nice bourgoise and reps are the evil ones

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by Mkultra+October 21, 2007 08:20 pm--> (Mkultra @ October 21, 2007 08:20 pm)
Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 21, 2007 04:22 pm

[email protected] 20, 2007 06:48 am
This is all just a political show, you think those bourgeois bastards ever feel remorse for the shit they do in the pursuit of their interests? I'm sure shit like this is far more common then most people think and will continue as long as the bourgeoisie rule.
exactly,

the bourgeois state must be overthrown.


mainstream Dems dont think much at all--theyre just fearful reactive sheep
there isnt a difference between democrats/republicans- they are all bourgeois and they react to each other - it's just pointless capitalist vs. capitalist bullshit - it is all in favor of bourgeois democracy regardless of the label.
well dems are the nice bourgoise and reps are the evil ones [/b]
You cannot be serious.

[Mkultra]

I know they all Serve the same Masters but the Dems are def. more sympathetic to the People who Matter--I know we shouldnt settle for just that and should never give up the vision for TOTAL Liberation but at least the dems are capable of being subverted for good whereas Republicans are just pure unreedemable scum who deserve nothing more then a stake in their black hearts

[Goatse]

Holy shit dude.

This guy treats leftism like a religion :lol:

[Mkultra]

I just noticed the differences when the Good Billionaire defeated the Evil Billionaire for the Gov race in NJ

[Comrade Nadezhda]

well dems are the nice bourgoise and reps are the evil ones
there's no such thing. they are all the same- at certain times they just show their self-interested exploitive ways more than others, and all members of the bourgeois ruling class are the same - regardless if they are democrat or republican- they are still bourgeois and they are still self-interested and exploit the working class for their own benefit. whether or not which capitalist party they are from (democrat/republican) they are all bourgeois.

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 21, 2007 10:39 pm

well dems are the nice bourgoise and reps are the evil ones
there's no such thing. they are all the same- at certain times they just show their self-interested exploitive ways more than others, and all members of the bourgeois ruling class are the same - regardless if they are democrat or republican- they are still bourgeois and they are still self-interested and exploit the working class for their own benefit. whether or not which capitalist party they are from (democrat/republican) they are all bourgeois.
yea when on the bottom line theyre all the same but the levels of neglect changes according to party-- the dems being the party of benign neglect and incremental reforms and repubs the party of malignant neglect and mass death

[KC]

I suggest you learn a little more about the democratic party and the history of the United States and its imperialist endeavors before you make such a claim.

[Mkultra]

well I agree in the past the Dems were alot more reactionary but theyre all the leftists have to work with in America it seems--if theyre trying to make changes within the system that is

[KC]

well I agree in the past the Dems were alot more reactionary but theyre all the leftists have to work with in America it seems

It seems that the only reason you support them is because you see them as the only option, then. You have to realize that they aren't progressive, they won't support the will of the people, and in many cases they're more reactionary than the republicans. They're not the only option, because they're not an option at all.

[Mkultra]

in America the system is monopolized by a corporate bird of prey but at least the dems represent the leftwing of this vulture

[KC]

in America the system is monopolized by a corporate bird of prey but at least the dems represent the leftwing of this vulture

This "left wing" "right wing" stuff is irrelevant. It is a false dichotomy constructed to make the democrats seem more "progressive" as they wage their imperialist wars and pass anti-worker legislation. The only question one should be asking is whether or not they support the interests of the workers. The answer to that question is quite obvious.

[Mkultra]

then to liberate the Dems all the corporate pig pro war democrats need to be challenged from the Leftwing in primarys

[KC]

then to liberate the Dems all the corporate pig pro war democrats need to be challenged from the Leftwing in primarys

Liberate the dems?

Which democrats aren't "corporate pro war pigs"? Regardless of what any of them say, it's quite obvious that the democrats in general are pro-war.

[Mkultra]

well you know those few LW exceptions like Dennis Kuchinich Bernie Sanders Russ Feingold etc--if we can elect more of that ilk we can push the Dem party further to the Left the same way the Neo-Fascists steadily infiltrated the GOP

[Ismail]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 06:30 pm
well you know those few LW exceptions like Dennis Kuchinich Bernie Sanders Russ Feingold etc--if we can elect more of that ilk we can push the Dem party further to the Left the same way the Neo-Fascists steadily infiltrated the GOP
Kucinich, Sanders, and Feingold will not help turn the Democratic party more to the left. Even Sanders, the "democratic Socialist" (read: social democrat who tried to sound rebellious and teh kewlerz) suddenly stopped talking about class consciousness or anything of the sort after being elected. The legislative radicals turn into the center-left, and the center-left turn into the neo-liberals, and the neo-liberals turn into reactionaries when actual class struggle happens.

[Mkultra]

what do you think causes that?

[Ismail]

Well, let's see. A two party system helps cause radicals to turn into the status quo types. A large corporate culture does too. Politicians, if they ever want to get anywhere, no matter how obscure or well known, they have to moderate their views, appeal to corporate donors, etc. Both parties are too entrenched to be moved to the left. We shouldn't be telling workers "Vote Democrat" when you can just as easily say to them "Spread Marxist theory" or "FUCK SHIT UP!!!!!!!!1" (if you're an anarchist, although a worker will probably just laugh at you in that case)

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 05:53 pm
yea when on the bottom line theyre all the same but the levels of neglect changes according to party-- the dems being the party of benign neglect and incremental reforms and repubs the party of malignant neglect and mass death
two parties = same bourgeois bullshit

both parties are equally self-interested. they are both bourgeois and therefore under either party- the same problem exists. even when they are reactionary (to each other) they are both bourgeois parties and neither would rule in the interests of the working-class.

bourgeois democracy is not democracy.
the bourgeoisie is not the majority.
the bourgeoisie uses the coercive power of the state so that it serves in their interests- causing exploitation and the subordination of the proletariat to their ruling class (see the emphasis on "bourgeois state"?)


I suggest you learn a little more about the democratic party and the history of the United States and its imperialist endeavors before you make such a claim.
Exactly.

[ComradeR]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 08:56 pm
I know they all Serve the same Masters but the Dems are def. more sympathetic to the People who Matter--I know we shouldnt settle for just that and should never give up the vision for TOTAL Liberation but at least the dems are capable of being subverted for good whereas Republicans are just pure unreedemable scum who deserve nothing more then a stake in their black hearts
In case you haven't noticed the Dems and Reps are no different from eachother in any real sense. It doesn't matter which one of them is in office, other then some minor policy changes (and I stress minor) they pursue the same interests (after all they're both bourgeois parties made up of bourgeoisie), the same imperialist aggression, the same anti-worker legislation etc. Really the only difference between them is the rhetoric they use. By voting for or supporting one or the other all your doing is giving legitimacy to the bourgeois state.

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Originally posted by ComradeR+October 22, 2007 02:49 am--> (ComradeR @ October 22, 2007 02:49 am)
[email protected] 21, 2007 08:56 pm
I know they all Serve the same Masters but the Dems are def. more sympathetic to the People who Matter--I know we shouldnt settle for just that and should never give up the vision for TOTAL Liberation but at least the dems are capable of being subverted for good whereas Republicans are just pure unreedemable scum who deserve nothing more then a stake in their black hearts
In case you haven't noticed the Dems and Reps are no different from eachother in any real sense. It doesn't matter which one of them is in office, other then some minor policy changes (and I stress minor) they pursue the same interests (after all they're both bourgeois parties made up of bourgeoisie), the same imperialist aggression, the same anti-worker legislation etc. Really the only difference between them is the rhetoric they use. By voting for or supporting one or the other all your doing is giving legitimacy to the bourgeois state. [/b]
Exactly.

Comrades, we must overthrow this bourgeois state for any 'democracy' to be possible.

[Mkultra]

I agree the State is the Main Oppressor but only because the Corporate Beast subverted it remade it in its image

[Ismail]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 07:19 pm
I agree the State is the Main Oppressor but only because the Corporate Beast subverted it remade it in its image
Incorrect, the state even without any corporate power is still oppressive until Socialism, in which the proletariat, the new ruling class, must keep watch of any attempts to restore capitalist power.

Corporate power wasn't around in 1400 CE. Does that mean the state then wasn't oppressive? Of course not. A state must still have classes, meaning we should always be against it whenever it does not have the proletariat leading the way.

[lilo32]

Originally posted by Mkultra+October 20, 2007 06:46 pm--> (Mkultra @ October 20, 2007 06:46 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 06:41 pm

[email protected] 20, 2007 06:36 pm
and it IS good to use Bush as a symbol for everything we despise because he fits the role so perfectly AND its a tool for raising peoples consciousness--we should use whatever tools we have to our advantage

most people need simple concepts and symbols to latch on to and Bush is a walking Advertisement for the need for Resistence and we should exploit him to the max in such a context
Using Bush as a symbol of hate will only dellude people into believing that one person is the source of all their problems.
but when you demonize the man (however in Bushs case its more like demonizing a demon) you also demonize everything he represents--Ive learned this from how the Hate Media in America was able to turn "liberal" into a dirty word--now because of Bush the word "Neocon" is the new dirty word [/b]
bush is just another target of media. when america saw how this man couldn't handle power they turned him into a target. thats what i dont like about this country it teaches us history the way they want us to see it. poor bush he just didnt know what he was doing. thats waht they did to hugo just cuz they can't get to their petroleum.

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 07:59 pm
Incorrect, the state even without any corporate power is still oppressive until Socialism, in which the proletariat, the new ruling class, must keep watch of any attempts to restore capitalist power.

Corporate power wasn't around in 1400 CE. Does that mean the state then wasn't oppressive? Of course not. A state must still have classes, meaning we should always be against it whenever it does not have the proletariat leading the way.
Yes, exactly.

Corporate power has nothing to do with it, since 'corporate power' indeed did not exist in 1400 CE, but at that time there was still subordination as a result of the state's ruling interest. This has existed since the concept of master and slave. Subordination has nothing to do with corporate power, and the conditions of subordination have changed over time, progressing with societal conditions. From master and slave to nobles and peasants to bourgeoisie and proletariat.

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by lilo32+October 23, 2007 02:20 am--> (lilo32 @ October 23, 2007 02:20 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 06:46 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 06:41 pm

[email protected] 20, 2007 06:36 pm
and it IS good to use Bush as a symbol for everything we despise because he fits the role so perfectly AND its a tool for raising peoples consciousness--we should use whatever tools we have to our advantage

most people need simple concepts and symbols to latch on to and Bush is a walking Advertisement for the need for Resistence and we should exploit him to the max in such a context
Using Bush as a symbol of hate will only dellude people into believing that one person is the source of all their problems.
but when you demonize the man (however in Bushs case its more like demonizing a demon) you also demonize everything he represents--Ive learned this from how the Hate Media in America was able to turn "liberal" into a dirty word--now because of Bush the word "Neocon" is the new dirty word
bush is just another target of media. when america saw how this man couldn't handle power they turned him into a target. thats what i dont like about this country it teaches us history the way they want us to see it. poor bush he just didnt know what he was doing. thats waht they did to hugo just cuz they can't get to their petroleum. [/b]
the neocon american media has its head up Bushs ass--Clinton woulda been crucified a million times over by the media if he did even one-tenth of what Bush gets away with

[Mkultra]

well corporations are the new aristocracy then

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 06:31 am
well corporations are the new aristocracy then
They're not the "new" anything. They are the bourgeoisie.

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Originally posted by Makaveli+October 23, 2007 08:38 am--> (Makaveli @ October 23, 2007 08:38 am)
[email protected] 23, 2007 06:31 am
well corporations are the new aristocracy then
They're not the "new" anything. They are the bourgeoisie. [/b]
Yes, exactly.

[Mkultra]

thats true but in according to principles of marketing in order to sell them as the enemy people like to purchase concepts with the word "new/ improved" or the word"neo" in front of it

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 02:52 pm
thats true but in according to principles of marketing in order to sell them as the enemy people like to purchase concepts with the word "new/ improved" or the word"neo" in front of it
yes.

neo-liberalism
neo-conservative
neo-fascist
neo-nazi

it's just bullshit, regardless of what way you look at it ;)

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by Comrade Nadezhda+October 23, 2007 08:57 pm--> (Comrade Nadezhda @ October 23, 2007 08:57 pm)
[email protected] 23, 2007 02:52 pm
thats true but in according to principles of marketing in order to sell them as the enemy people like to purchase concepts with the word "new/ improved" or the word"neo" in front of it
yes.

neo-liberalism
neo-conservative
neo-fascist
neo-nazi

it's just bullshit, regardless of what way you look at it ;) [/b]
but people want like to believe in shiney new things --all the old enemies are no longer selling in the market of public opinion theyve become stale and are rotting on the shelf

[Goatse]

Originally posted by Mkultra+October 23, 2007 09:25 pm--> (Mkultra @ October 23, 2007 09:25 pm)
Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 23, 2007 08:57 pm

[email protected] 23, 2007 02:52 pm
thats true but in according to principles of marketing in order to sell them as the enemy people like to purchase concepts with the word "new/ improved" or the word"neo" in front of it
yes.

neo-liberalism
neo-conservative
neo-fascist
neo-nazi

it's just bullshit, regardless of what way you look at it ;)
but people want like to believe in shiney new things --all the old enemies are no longer selling in the market of public opinion theyve become stale and are rotting on the shelf [/b]
What does that even mean?

EDIT:

Also, this post from earlier on...


I know they all Serve the same Masters but the Dems are def. more sympathetic to the People who Matter--I know we shouldnt settle for just that and should never give up the vision for TOTAL Liberation but at least the dems are capable of being subverted for good whereas Republicans are just pure unreedemable scum who deserve nothing more then a stake in their black hearts

... is going in my personal hall of fame for one of my favourite posts ever

[Comrade Nadezhda]

Originally posted by Goatse+October 23, 2007 04:27 pm--> (Goatse @ October 23, 2007 04:27 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 09:25 pm

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 23, 2007 08:57 pm

[email protected] 23, 2007 02:52 pm
thats true but in according to principles of marketing in order to sell them as the enemy people like to purchase concepts with the word "new/ improved" or the word"neo" in front of it
yes.

neo-liberalism
neo-conservative
neo-fascist
neo-nazi

it's just bullshit, regardless of what way you look at it ;)
but people want like to believe in shiney new things --all the old enemies are no longer selling in the market of public opinion theyve become stale and are rotting on the shelf
What does that even mean?

EDIT:

Also, this post from earlier on...


I know they all Serve the same Masters but the Dems are def. more sympathetic to the People who Matter--I know we shouldnt settle for just that and should never give up the vision for TOTAL Liberation but at least the dems are capable of being subverted for good whereas Republicans are just pure unreedemable scum who deserve nothing more then a stake in their black hearts

... is going in my personal hall of fame for one of my favourite posts ever [/b]
as far as democrats/republicans are concerned- it's all bourgeois bullshit.

[Mkultra]

we are in Bourgoise Hell that permeates our consciousness despite how much we try to reisist and fight it but one day I know we will come face to face with something untouched by the madness of the system and we will get a true vision of Freedom