A Bit Hypocrytical? [Archive]

Jazzratt

19th October 2007, 16:20

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 02:56 pm
I've heard of the German fascist laws, but I was under the impression that just extended to holocast denial.
Your impression was mistaken.

There is no reason why a fascist who acts reasonably and talks politely should not be allowed to talk here.

There are no fascists that do so.

The anti fascist rant for this particular forum is a disgrace and whatsmore is inexcusable.

We're not demanding you post on this site and we're not forcing you to like our policies.

ontheliberalleft

19th October 2007, 16:21

Oh, so you try and justify your censorship 'because the far right do it'

Not a compelling argument I'm afraid!

ontheliberalleft

19th October 2007, 16:23

Your impression was mistaken.

Well thanks for informing me of that, O great one.

There are no fascists that do so.

Well if you said it then it must be true!!!!

We're not demanding you post on this site and we're not forcing you to like our policies.

Of course not, but I am just pointing out double standards and hypocrisy wherever I see it. Your general demeanour and attitude is conducive to the points I'm making.

spartan

19th October 2007, 17:03

This is a forum you stupid Liberal!

It is not a model for a working Socialist society!

So if we want to restrict or ban a bunch of racist sexist homophobes, who dont contribute anything to an arguement except unfair stereotypical generalizations (Which is'nt really that much of a contribution and does'nt help anyone), then that is exactly what we will do!

Honest to God you Liberals are a bunch of idiots!

It was because of people like you, with your lets give every scumbag a fair chance, that led to appeasment with Hitler and the Nazis.

Dr Mindbender

19th October 2007, 17:42

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 02:50 pm
Why do you prohibit fascists from posting here, even if they act politely? Is it not a greater sin that these people cannot express their opinions in a polite manner?

This addiction to censorship and control is one of the prime reasons why decent thoughtful people will never consider even considering to join any kind of a revolution you would ever endorse.
why would we want to legitimise those who want to kill us by debating with them?

Jazzrat, I think you should add this one to the FAQ sticky. <_<

Jazzratt

19th October 2007, 17:46

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 19, 2007 04:42 pm
Jazzrat, I think you should add this one to the FAQ sticky. <_<
I considered it, but we explain why fascists are banned in the *No fascists* link, the kind of person who will argue the point on this one will do so regardless of what the FAQ says.

Dr Mindbender

19th October 2007, 17:50

Originally posted by Jazzratt+October 19, 2007 04:46 pm--> (Jazzratt @ October 19, 2007 04:46 pm)
Ulster [email protected] 19, 2007 04:42 pm
Jazzrat, I think you should add this one to the FAQ sticky. <_<
I considered it, but we explain why fascists are banned in the *No fascists* link, the kind of person who will argue the point on this one will do so regardless of what the FAQ says. [/b]
i think the reason for this needs to be reiterated (possibly in bold size 20 font block capitals) for the benefit of softly-softly idiots like 'ontheliberalleft'.

EDIT: cause yeah, i just looked at the *no fascists* link, it doesnt actually give any rationale, it just says ''fascists of any kind are not allowed to post here''.

ontheliberalleft

19th October 2007, 18:29

My entire point is that if they acquit themselves reasonably they should be allowed to debate. It might even broaden your closed minds.

The current situation is if you label yourself a fascist in any form, you are automatically banned even if you talk politely. This is what I call Totalitarianism.

Faux Real

19th October 2007, 18:33

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 10:29 am
My entire point is that if they acquit themselves reasonably they should be allowed to debate. It might even broaden your closed minds.

The current situation is if you label yourself a fascist in any form, you are automatically banned even if you talk politely. This is what I call Totalitarianism.
Because forums are obviously forms of government. :rolleyes:

Really though, I wouldn't mind debating/seeing the idiocy of fascists and nazi's being thoroughly refuted.

The problem arises because the sites owner lives in Germany and he would get into legal troubles.

That and most fascists and nazi's wouldn't get the overwhelming logic through their heads.

So if you want to make your own forum and invite nazi's please go ahead and do so. :)

Dr Mindbender

19th October 2007, 18:36

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 05:29 pm
My entire point is that if they acquit themselves reasonably they should be allowed to debate. It might even broaden your closed minds.

The current situation is if you label yourself a fascist in any form, you are automatically banned even if you talk politely. This is what I call Totalitarianism.
those who tolerate no-one deserve no tolerance.

It is not totalitarian to exclude those who, if given the chance would happily herd us naked into a warehouse and give us a shower of Zyglon-B nerve toxin

luxemburg89

19th October 2007, 18:47

The anti fascist rant for this particular forum is a disgrace and whatsmore is inexcusable.

You make me sick, you want to give a voice to racists, homophobes, sexists, Nationalists, those that seek to make the working-class their slaves? What difference does it make if they are polite in their racism, it is racism all the same, is it not?

You can jump off the moral highground, and I hope it fucking hurts when you hit the ground.

lvleph

19th October 2007, 19:03

I personally am against censorship. However, a community can decide who may be part of their community. If we consider this a community, then it is reasonable to expect that the community choses not to allow fascists. Truly though most likely allowing fascists to post would accomplish nothing but a flame war. The sad thing is that ignoring them is the best strategy, but that won't happen. That is, ignoring them in their words and inaction, once action is taken then ignoring them is out of the question.

Dr Mindbender

19th October 2007, 19:07

heres an analogy that the right wingers can appreciate-

Fascists are to revleft what paedophiles are to the tabloid newspapers.
Stew that one over.
;)

Dr Mindbender

19th October 2007, 19:26

Oooh looks like he's gone. Off goes another drive by troll. :rolleyes:

ontheliberalleft

19th October 2007, 19:31

Nah mate, I have a life, a girlfriend, a job, University, a social life... A lot of things which by the look of it none of you indeed have.

My objection is to censorship. Censorship is wrong. This is a moral absolute and the more you try to justify it the stupider and more naieve you all sound.

Seriously, how many of you were born into rich families were once this college-esque rebellious phase wears off you'll go back into daddy's company? I would have been more polite, but the reaction I am getting from you is slightly disturbing me.

spartan

19th October 2007, 19:33

US:
Oooh looks like he's gone. Off goes another drive by troll. :rolleyes:
And the bullets he shot did'nt even hit anyone :lol:

Dr Mindbender

19th October 2007, 19:42

Originally posted by ontheliberalright+--> (ontheliberalright)Nah mate, I have a life,[/b]
Me too. Check.

Originally posted by ontheliberalright+--> (ontheliberalright)a job[/b]
Check.

Originally posted by ontheliberalright
a girlfriend
I'm married, so you fail on that account.

Originally posted by ontheliberalright
University
Been there, its over-rated.

Originally posted by ontheliberalright
a social life... A lot of things which by the look of it none of you indeed have.
Each to their own. For the record i find this brand of one-up manship pathetic, irrelevant and frankly boring.

Originally posted by ontheliberalright
My objection is to censorship. Censorship is wrong. This is a moral absolute and the more you try to justify it the stupider and more naieve you all sound.
That is your opinion, it isnt a material argument against censorship. There is a difference between freedom of speech and the irresponsible abuse of it. Dont come crying to us when a squad of jackbooted boneheads are trying to break your door down at 4 in the morning. You can laugh all you want but history has taught us this is what happens when you allow nazi scum a platform. The only stupidity round here is your ignorance of history.

[email protected]
Seriously, how many of you were born into rich families were once this college-esque rebellious phase wears off you'll go back into daddy's company?
Well, i cant speak for the rest of the posters but lets see, I was born into a broken single parented council estate home, co-erced into sub standarded comprehensive education... I could go on, by i guess my point is, you fail. Again. Badly.

ontheliberalright
I would have been more polite, but the reaction I am getting from you is slightly disturbing me.
If you dont like it, then fuck off.

spartan

19th October 2007, 19:42

Silly little Liberal:
Nah mate, I have a life, a girlfriend, a job, University, a social life... A lot of things which by the look of it none of you indeed have.
How do you know we do not have these things as well?

Really i want to know how you just magically asume that you know everything about people you have probably never even met before.

My objection is to censorship. Censorship is wrong. This is a moral absolute and the more you try to justify it the stupider and more naieve you all sound.
:lol: Just calm the fuck down!

I agree that censorship is wrong when what is being censored is not going to hurt anyone who is going to here/see it.

But when it comes to people who get a stiffy from wiping out people who have a slightly darker shade of skin than themselves well do they really deserve to be heard and what exactly do they bring to an arguement in the first place except the same old refuted shit arguements and conspiracy theories about the Jews running the world and wanting to wipe out the "Aryan" race? :lol:

What is so important about a racists message that it should not be censored?

I used to be a racist and it took me a hell of a lot of time to get that shit out of my head and racist forums and websites did not help my struggle one bit!

Indeed forums and websites were the very things that got me intrested in that shit in the first place as well as historical documentaries on the Nazis.

Besides this is a forum not a model for the perfect Socialist society run by workers :lol:

Seriously, how many of you were born into rich families were once this college-esque rebellious phase wears off you'll go back into daddy's company? I would have been more polite, but the reaction I am getting from you is slightly disturbing me.
Here we go again with the same old arguement and the same old shit.

Do you know how many times members of revleft have heard your shit arguements?

We have heard it thousands of times before and yet we are still here and still left wing so you will never win us over with these tried and refuted arguements of yours as we have seen them all before buddy.

I think it is time you went back to the drawing board as you have completly failed.

I think we should start posting fail pictures for this guy :lol:

Dr Mindbender

19th October 2007, 19:59

This thread should be trashed anyway, the no-nazi policy is not up for discussion.

Ã‘Ã³ẊÃ®Ã¶ŉ

19th October 2007, 20:10

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 06:31 pm
Nah mate, I have a life, a girlfriend, a job, University, a social life... A lot of things which by the look of it none of you indeed have.
Oh look, an ad hominem! I'm sure it's much easier to criticise a political position by attacking the persons supporting it, but it only serves to make you look like a shit-stirrer.

My objection is to censorship. Censorship is wrong. This is a moral absolute and the more you try to justify it the stupider and more naieve you all sound.

This is a private forum, and we make the rules. If an uninvited guest in your house insulted your girlfriend and criticised you for your choice of curtains, I'm pretty sure you would ask them to leave.

Free speech has limits.

Seriously, how many of you were born into rich families were once this college-esque rebellious phase wears off you'll go back into daddy's company? I would have been more polite, but the reaction I am getting from you is slightly disturbing me.

Considering that I wasn't born into a rich family, not bloody likely. I also note the implicit assumption that people born into rich families can't really be revolutionary leftists. Why is that?

Dr Mindbender

19th October 2007, 20:12

nah hes gone. Must be off for a power-wank over his economic textbooks.

''Phwooar! Look at the profit margins on that!''

See? 2 can play the ad hominem game! :P :lol:

lvleph

19th October 2007, 20:31

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 06:31 pm
Nah mate, I have a life, a girlfriend, a job, University, a social life... A lot of things which by the look of it none of you indeed have.

My objection is to censorship. Censorship is wrong. This is a moral absolute and the more you try to justify it the stupider and more naieve you all sound.

Seriously, how many of you were born into rich families were once this college-esque rebellious phase wears off you'll go back into daddy's company? I would have been more polite, but the reaction I am getting from you is slightly disturbing me.
Well, I for one use to be homeless. I worked my ass off and got a master's degree and am working on a PhD now. I don't see why you are getting all pissy when not everyone is bashing what you have to say. Some are, but that is to be expected when anyone says something someone else doesn't like.

The biggest issue I see is not really with the fascists, but with the people on the board. Don't take that the wrong way. What I am saying is that if a fascist came in here to start trouble and everyone just ignored them they would leave. So, because that is not the case the admin of these boards have decided it would be easier to censor.

It would be nice if the members of this board could just ignore the stupid attempts by fascists and others to rile them up. This is exactly what they want. It makes one look stupid when one gets up in arms, while someone is just egging them on.

I am sure what I said won't be popular, but it is how I see it.

Dr Mindbender

19th October 2007, 20:42

''the only thing which could have stopped our new movement, is if our political adversaries had recognised their principle from day 1 and moved forward to smash the nucleus of our party''
-Adolf Hitler.

Do the no-nazi platform naysayers understand yet why naz-fucks cant be allowed?
:angry:

ontheliberalleft

19th October 2007, 21:32

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+October 19, 2007 07:12 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ October 19, 2007 07:12 pm) nah hes gone. Must be off for a power-wank over his economic textbooks.

''Phwooar! Look at the profit margins on that!''

See? 2 can play the ad hominem game! :P :lol: [/b]
Man, I seriously doubt you have much of a life if you expect someone to reply every ten minutes. I do other things offline you know, I don't just wait until someone has posted and then immediately reply.

Again, you are all taking what I said out of context (Except for the rich kid gibes, that was just for kicks)

My point is that banning someone because of what they are - AKA, a Fascist - and not because of what they say - AKA 'I Hate Blacks' is fundamentally wrong. In fact, you are prejudging people before they say anything. What if someone has a few nationalist viewpoints, but is pretty moderate on everything else - are they to be banned? What about people opposed to immigration? Are they to go to?

Who gets to decide what is right and what is wrong?

I guess my point is that you should ban them- when -they say something wrong. They shouldn't be banned specifically on account of their beliefs.

Some idiot who can't read my posts correctly

I agree that censorship is wrong when what is being censored is not going to hurt anyone who is going to here/see it.

I thought you were joking when you said that, but the sad reality is that people like you are determined that you know better than people you have never even met. And in case you still don't understand this basic fundamental freedom mankind has fought an uncountable amount of wars to defend - SOME IDIOT DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN NOT HEAR!

Thank you.

Demogorgon

19th October 2007, 21:37

Well you can have a debate about free speech, or you can look at it from the perspective that a) we are sick of Stormfront trolls and b) it would be unwise to flout the law in regards to them, regardless of our attitude to the law.

Most large websites have rules against racism and the spreading of hatred. That's just the way it is. I don't see why this one could be expected to be any different.

ontheliberalleft

19th October 2007, 21:40

Now thats a point I can easily relate to, but of course was not given the courtesty I would expect. Stormfront is a horrible nasty place that left me physically ill as I left there. I am not in anyway pro-fascist. My point is that banning someone because of what they are and not because of their actions is a horrible, terrible thing to do and the only answer anyone can give to that is that 'all fascists are evullll'

If someone can give me an answer they have actually spent more than two seconds chewing over (Demogorgan excluded) I might not get so riled up.

Faux Real

19th October 2007, 21:44

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 01:40 pm
Now thats a point I can easily relate to, but of course was not given the courtesty I would expect. Stormfront is a horrible nasty place that left me physically ill as I left there. I am not in anyway pro-fascist. My point is that banning someone because of what they are and not because of their actions is a horrible, terrible thing to do and the only answer anyone can give to that is that 'all fascists are evullll'

If someone can give me an answer they have actually spent more than two seconds chewing over (Demogorgan excluded) I might not get so riled up.
Stop trolling.

We've already told you that we can't allow them on this forum because the server is hosted in Germany and the site's owner (who lives there) would be prosecuted by the state under it's anti-fascist laws.

Let's end this thread now?

AGITprop

19th October 2007, 21:45

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 08:40 pm
Now thats a point I can easily relate to, but of course was not given the courtesty I would expect. Stormfront is a horrible nasty place that left me physically ill as I left there. I am not in anyway pro-fascist. My point is that banning someone because of what they are and not because of their actions is a horrible, terrible thing to do and the only answer anyone can give to that is that 'all fascists are evullll'

If someone can give me an answer they have actually spent more than two seconds chewing over (Demogorgan excluded) I might not get so riled up.
Listen, i understand what you are trying to say and i agree that people should not be banned because of their ideologies, as everyone is entitled to their opinion but here is the deal. We are leftists, communists, anarchists, etc etc and we are posting on this site to increase or knowledge, progress, and deepen our belief. By allowing fascists on the website ( whom we know to be homophobes, racists, sexists ) all we are doing is wasting our time arguing with people who will not help us advance in any way. We are not here to tell fascists that they are wrong. If someone can't see that on their own then they seriously have a problem. Does this answer your question?

ontheliberalleft

19th October 2007, 21:50

Arguing with these people may held solidify and consolidate your beliefs? And I don't believe the German laws extend much further than prosecuting against holocaust deniers. A Neo Nazi party ran at the last election for Gods sake.

AGITprop

19th October 2007, 21:52

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 08:50 pm
Arguing with these people may held solidify and consolidate your beliefs?
Seeing what these people do and have done to others consolidates and solidies our beliefs enough, thank you very much.

blackstone

19th October 2007, 21:56

I come here to discuss politics and revolutionary theory, not to debate with fascists on whether or not I'm inferior to them because I'm African.

Why should we play nice with people who obviously don't think so kindly of me and others based on their religion, sexuality and race?

Dr Mindbender

19th October 2007, 21:57

Originally posted by liberalarsehole+--> (liberalarsehole)Man, I seriously doubt you have much of a life if you expect someone to reply every ten minutes. I do other things offline you know, I don't just wait until someone has posted and then immediately reply.[/b]
Me too, Ive just prepared a lovely roast dinner between posts, and very much looking forward to eating it i am too.
:P

Originally posted by liberalarsehole+--> (liberalarsehole)
Again, you are all taking what I said out of context (Except for the rich kid gibes, that was just for kicks) [/b]
What a shame it was a bigger fail than the titanic's maiden voyage.

[email protected]

In fact, you are prejudging people before they say anything. What if someone has a few nationalist viewpoints, but is pretty moderate on everything else - are they to be banned? What about people opposed to immigration? Are they to go to?Ethnic cleansing is fundamental to fascist doctrine. If they dont believe in mass extermination or forced repatriation, then theyre not fascist. However how can you justify allowing someone to stay here who believes in the afforementioned policies?
If you werent already aware of this you seriously need to read up on your politics.

liberalarsehole

I guess my point is that you should ban them- when -they say something wrong. They shouldn't be banned specifically on account of their beliefs.
I bet you're part of the same neo-con cappie bandwagon who want islamic extremists silenced- why should nazis have an equal say and they cant? You cant have it both ways.

lvleph

19th October 2007, 22:08

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 08:50 pm
Arguing with these people may held solidify and consolidate your beliefs? And I don't believe the German laws extend much further than prosecuting against holocaust deniers. A Neo Nazi party ran at the last election for Gods sake.
That is not true. One cannot even have a swastika or other nazi items, as far I recall. It is most certainly more than holocaust deniers.

Which by the way, I feel is stupid that one can be arrested for denying the holocaust. I think they are stupid for denying it, but...

Dr Mindbender

19th October 2007, 22:20

Originally posted by lvleph
Which by the way, I feel is stupid that one can be arrested for denying the holocaust. I think they are stupid for denying it, but...
You cant be arrested for denying the holocaust, but you can be arrested for distributing the idea via literature or announcing it at a public rally which is the case with Nick Griffin and rightly so, sense it is a way of spreading race hate.

luxemburg89

19th October 2007, 22:58

QUOTE (liberalarsehole)

Again, you are all taking what I said out of context (Except for the rich kid gibes, that was just for kicks)

What a shame it was a bigger fail than the titanic's maiden voyage.

OOOH That can be your claim to flame US, nice burn :D .

Now, Ontheliberalleft:

Why the fuck are you on a site called REVOLUTIONARY LEFT - what makes you think we're interested in a Centrist bollock like you?

P.S. Many go to University on here, many have a social life, many have jobs, many have girlfriends. Now while you may have all this I am afraid you a lacking something quite important - a brain!

Wanted Man

19th October 2007, 23:20

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 07:31 pm
Nah mate, I have a life, a girlfriend, a job, University, a social life... A lot of things which by the look of it none of you indeed have.

My objection is to censorship. Censorship is wrong. This is a moral absolute and the more you try to justify it the stupider and more naieve you all sound.

Seriously, how many of you were born into rich families were once this college-esque rebellious phase wears off you'll go back into daddy's company? I would have been more polite, but the reaction I am getting from you is slightly disturbing me.
And it has certainly done a good job at making you a smug son of a *****. Who the hell do you think you are, anyway? Who are you to come here, fiercely denounce all revolutionary ideologies on the grounds of a bit of long-established forum policy, and then act like a petulant child when you get a negative reaction? Who are you to treat everyone who talks back to you like they're some kind of servant or interesting but inferior study object? Who are you to demand the right to insert some "witty" jabs into your posts while denouncing anyone who insults you back?

By the way, why the need to mention your university (you don't have to capitalize the U, it's not that prestigious)? What are you studying in college, anyway? Because attending college doesn't make you smart, it just means that you've been able to finish high school like ~90% (depending on where you live) of all the other mouth breathers in your class. A perfect example is the Teacher's ed study that exists in my country, whose "college students" (at least here such institutions can't call themselves "universities") have to learn how to write proper cursive and where 75% flunk because they fail a basic math test.

You certainly don't seem to be studying anything related to politics or debate, because your pig-ignorance of politics shows, as does your inability to formulate an argument (hint: expand on this idea of "moral absolute" of yours, because any kind of "absolute" tends to scare the shit out of me). And the only reason that I'm not listing all the fallacies you've used in your posts is because of our own sanity; we would be busy until tomorrow morning, and I wouldn't want to intrude on your life, girlfriend, job, University and social life.

ontheliberalleft

19th October 2007, 23:35

Wow, you sure showed me up mister.

I have displayed no logical fallacies. In fact, all I have done is point out is idiotic to ban someone solely on their beliefs and not in what they say or do. Everything else I have said has been the result of flaming on both sides. If you can honestly find a logical fallacy in what I said above please let me know.

You are right, my area is not politics. I have doctorate in Modern History and work in a Musuem.

ontheliberalleft

19th October 2007, 23:40

But still occasionaly pop into University to give lectures in emergencies.

RedAnarchist

19th October 2007, 23:40

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 11:35 pm
Wow, you sure showed me up mister.

I have displayed no logical fallacies. In fact, all I have done is point out is idiotic to ban someone solely on their beliefs and not in what they say or do. Everything else I have said has been the result of flaming on both sides. If you can honestly find a logical fallacy in what I said above please let me know.

You are right, my area is not politics. I have doctorate in Modern History and work in a Musuem.
If you want to post on this forum you are more than wlecome to (of course, you are restricted to the Opposing Ideaologies -note the Opposing) but we will not be changing our stance on fascists. You can be as mad about it as you want, but we have guidleiines that you should agree in principle with if you want to participate in this forum. If you do not agree with the guidlines, its almost certain that we don't want you here.

Jazzratt

19th October 2007, 23:51

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 10:35 pm
Wow, you sure showed me up mister.

I have displayed no logical fallacies.
Aside from ad hominem, in abundance.

In fact, all I have done is point out is idiotic to ban someone solely on their beliefs and not in what they say or do.

This is a board for leftist discussion, we restrict those with whom an interesting dialogue can be had and ban those that would simply be a disruptive force. As has been pointed out many times revleft is not a post revolutionary state or even a model of how one would be run.

You are right, my area is not politics. I have doctorate in Modern History and work in a Musuem.

I rule over Tunisia.

redarmyfaction38

19th October 2007, 23:51

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 06:31 pm
Nah mate, I have a life, a girlfriend, a job, University, a social life... A lot of things which by the look of it none of you indeed have.

My objection is to censorship. Censorship is wrong. This is a moral absolute and the more you try to justify it the stupider and more naieve you all sound.

Seriously, how many of you were born into rich families were once this college-esque rebellious phase wears off you'll go back into daddy's company? I would have been more polite, but the reaction I am getting from you is slightly disturbing me.
look mate, it's quite simple, the group titles itself "rev left", its purpose is to encourage discussion and hopefully solidarity amongst us lefties.
it has agreed rules on conduct and membership.
one of those rules is "no fascists allowed".
what's your problem? on any open message board, i'm quite happy to argue with the fascist scum or the liberal apologists for the fascist scum, BUT, on here, i wish to carry out, theoretical, organisational and ploitical discussions or diatribes with fellow socialists and anarchists rather than waste time arguing with fascist scum or fucking self obsessedliberals. GOT IT?

Jazzratt

19th October 2007, 23:53

But still pop onto the moon now and again.

RedAnarchist

19th October 2007, 23:56

ooh, I think we should listen to him. Then we can all make daisy chains and play with kittens and laugh and frolic! We will be one with our Fascist brothers! <_<

luxemburg89

20th October 2007, 00:04

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 10:40 pm
But still occasionaly pop into University to give lectures in emergencies.
Well that piece of information was unnecessary. We don't give two shits whether or not you are a University lecturer, you are trying to make yourself look better (were you to be proving that you are 'knowledgable' in politics then the doctorate would suffice, you went a step too far).

Here's a scenario for you (and once you have answered it kindly fuck off):

You have a group of white students in your class shouting verbal abuse at a black student, because it is wrong to remove their 'freedom of speech'. Yet, were you to stop them being racist - by not giving Fascism a voice (a voice it has used to give the orders of the death of millions*) - then you would save the black student from all the abuse? Or, in the Students' Union, a speaker is being openly racist, despite the fact there are ethnic minorities present at the meeting - is this acceptable?

This is what would happen if you give Fascists the freedom to restrict the freedom of others.

* Please refrain, my dear Fuckwit, from saying anything about the Soviet Union or China - I don't support either.

redarmyfaction38

20th October 2007, 00:10

Originally posted by Jazzratt+October 19, 2007 10:51 pm--> (Jazzratt @ October 19, 2007 10:51 pm)
[email protected] 19, 2007 10:35 pm
Wow, you sure showed me up mister.

I have displayed no logical fallacies.
Aside from ad hominem, in abundance.

In fact, all I have done is point out is idiotic to ban someone solely on their beliefs and not in what they say or do.

This is a board for leftist discussion, we restrict those with whom an interesting dialogue can be had and ban those that would simply be a disruptive force. As has been pointed out many times revleft is not a post revolutionary state or even a model of how one would be run.

You are right, my area is not politics. I have doctorate in Modern History and work in a Musuem.

I rule over Tunisia. [/b]
:wacko: :wacko: why do you want to rule over tunisia? surely that is contradictory to any kind of socialist or anarchist aspiration! you must be fascist intent on penetrating and disrupting any kind of truly democratic debate on a revolutionary message board! how high is the salary you are paid by mi5? is it worth selling my soul for? :lol:

oops! gotta leave the cider alone :D

RedAnarchist

20th October 2007, 00:18

Originally posted by redarmyfaction38+October 20, 2007 12:10 am--> (redarmyfaction38 @ October 20, 2007 12:10 am)
Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 10:51 pm

[email protected] 19, 2007 10:35 pm
Wow, you sure showed me up mister.

I have displayed no logical fallacies.
Aside from ad hominem, in abundance.

In fact, all I have done is point out is idiotic to ban someone solely on their beliefs and not in what they say or do.

This is a board for leftist discussion, we restrict those with whom an interesting dialogue can be had and ban those that would simply be a disruptive force. As has been pointed out many times revleft is not a post revolutionary state or even a model of how one would be run.

You are right, my area is not politics. I have doctorate in Modern History and work in a Musuem.

I rule over Tunisia.
:wacko: :wacko: why do you want to rule over tunisia? surely that is contradictory to any kind of socialist or anarchist aspiration! you must be fascist intent on penetrating and disrupting any kind of truly democratic debate on a revolutionary message board! how high is the salary you are paid by mi5? is it worth selling my soul for? :lol:

oops! gotta leave the cider alone :D [/b]
:lol: drunken posting ftw

Axel1917

20th October 2007, 06:56

There is no such thing as "pure" free speech. Where you got this idea from is beyond me, as it has no historical or materialist basis as far as existence is concerned.

Dr Mindbender

20th October 2007, 11:02

the irony is our liberal 'friend' probably supports the moves to silence groups like al-mahijouroun and other islamic extremists (as do most convinced capitalists) yet he wants a platform for fascists.

He cant have it both ways

ontheliberalleft

20th October 2007, 12:33

You have a group of white students in your class shouting verbal abuse at a black student, because it is wrong to remove their 'freedom of speech'. Yet, were you to stop them being racist - by not giving Fascism a voice (a voice it has used to give the orders of the death of millions*) - then you would save the black student from all the abuse? Or, in the Students' Union, a speaker is being openly racist, despite the fact there are ethnic minorities present at the meeting - is this acceptable?

This proves you are nothing other than a reactionary, and haven't took a second to read any of my post.

All I'm saying is that prejudgements are wrong; If they say something out of line, of course they should be banned.

I'm naturally opposed to banning someone because of who they are and not because of what they say.

ontheliberalleft

20th October 2007, 12:35

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 20, 2007 10:02 am
the irony is our liberal 'friend' probably supports the moves to silence groups like al-mahijouroun and other islamic extremists (as do most convinced capitalists) yet he wants a platform for fascists.

He cant have it both ways
I'd rather you didn't make presumptions about me, but it is a touch cliche that communists seem to sympathise with Islamic fascists. Try to define an Islamic person who holds beliefs similar to Bin Laden or Hezbollah (Convert or die, yaddie yaddie yaddie) as anything other than a fascist and I will mail 600 Euro's to your adress. I mean that.

Dr Mindbender

20th October 2007, 12:37

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 11:33 am

I'm naturally opposed to banning someone because of who they are and not because of what they say.
how then can you be against banning fascists bearing in mind their vile ideaology?

from the poem by Pastor Martin Niemöller (a holocaust survivor)

''When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out''

Dr Mindbender

20th October 2007, 12:47

Originally posted by ontheliberalleft+--> (ontheliberalleft)I'd rather you didn't make presumptions about me,[/b]
It seemed a fair thing to say bearing in mind the persuasion of most people on your side of the political spectrum.

Originally posted by [email protected]

but it is a touch cliche that communists seem to sympathise with Islamic fascists.
This is a common misconception among anti-communists, because we have a common enemy does not make us allies. We do however support the right to self determination of genuine oppressed groups such as the Palestinians (within a secular context)

ontheliberalleft

Try to define an Islamic person who holds beliefs similar to Bin Laden or Hezbollah (Convert or die, yaddie yaddie yaddie) as anything other than a fascist and I will mail 600 Euro's to your adress. I mean that.
So you're not denying that you would take away freedom of speech to islamic extremists, even if they are fascist? Sounds like backpeddling to me.

BTW political islam and fascism are not the same thing, fascism is not a theocracy.
Very few islamists are openly racist. I have had open discussions with Al-Mahijouroun, (supporters of the 9/11 attackers and they treated me with perfect civility regardless of my skin tone. One of them was actually a white Irishman)Please do not take this as a sort of defence of them though, as revolutionary leftists treat them with the same disdain as any other reactionary.

lvleph

20th October 2007, 13:54

Okay, why are all of you bothering with this idiot? He speaks about not prejudging, but then the OP called all of us a bunch of wanna be revolutionaries, by saying we were all rich kids that were going to go cry to our daddies once we got bored. There is nothing new going to be said; the op claims we haven't giving a good reason, although there has been plenty stated. Just ignore him/her.

ontheliberalleft

20th October 2007, 14:36

The rich kid gibe was just that - a gibe. Get a sense of humour (Or does it hit too close to the surface?)

how then can you be against banning fascists bearing in mind their vile ideaology?

You are simply ignoring what I am saying; I am against banning people if they say something out of line. I am not against banning someone because of what they are. What you propose is simply totalitarian, and you cannot possibly justify it. I don't know why you are being so hostile about this point which in reality was just a minor one. You all got hot and bothered after no provocation. Your not exactly selling your ideology to me very well (Going by the people that buy into it)

RedAnarchist

20th October 2007, 14:43

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 02:36 pm
The rich kid gibe was just that - a gibe. Get a sense of humour (Or does it hit too close to the surface?)

how then can you be against banning fascists bearing in mind their vile ideaology?

You are simply ignoring what I am saying; I am against banning people if they say something out of line. I am not against banning someone because of what they are. What you propose is simply totalitarian, and you cannot possibly justify it. I don't know why you are being so hostile about this point which in reality was just a minor one. You all got hot and bothered after no provocation. Your not exactly selling your ideology to me very well (Going by the people that buy into it)
I bet you're one of these people who believes thst China and North Korea are socialist states, aren't you? The media told you so, didnt it? You hate to go against what the media says.

I agree with lvleph - this is getting repetitive and this guy shows no signs of moving from his stubborn, pro-fascist position.

ontheliberalleft

20th October 2007, 15:56

Originally posted by Red_Anarchist+October 20, 2007 01:43 pm--> (Red_Anarchist @ October 20, 2007 01:43 pm)
[email protected] 20, 2007 02:36 pm
The rich kid gibe was just that - a gibe. Get a sense of humour (Or does it hit too close to the surface?)

how then can you be against banning fascists bearing in mind their vile ideaology?

You are simply ignoring what I am saying; I am against banning people if they say something out of line. I am not against banning someone because of what they are. What you propose is simply totalitarian, and you cannot possibly justify it. I don't know why you are being so hostile about this point which in reality was just a minor one. You all got hot and bothered after no provocation. Your not exactly selling your ideology to me very well (Going by the people that buy into it)
I bet you're one of these people who believes thst China and North Korea are socialist states, aren't you? The media told you so, didnt it? You hate to go against what the media says.

I agree with lvleph - this is getting repetitive and this guy shows no signs of moving from his stubborn, pro-fascist position. [/b]
I am not pro fascist. I don't judge people in groups - I judge individuals. For example, I think you are a totalitarian idiot who loves affirming the negative. You might grow out of it some day

I'm a Council communist Libertarian anarchist socialist communist!

Yes, Daddy is really annnoyed at how rebellious you are being, the image of Che Guevare is soooooo scary as well.

Marsella

20th October 2007, 16:16

I am not pro fascist. I don't judge people in groups - I judge individuals. For example, I think you are a totalitarian idiot who loves affirming the negative. You might grow out of it some day

We don't distinguish between an individual racist and a class or racists. We don't wait for a Nazi to start spouting shite before we 'individually' judge them.

It is not totalitarian to allow members who are restricted to voice their opinions in a sub-forum.

As Jazzratt and others have explained if we did allow fascists or even liberals for that matter to post in all sections we would not be able to discuss revolutionary politics/theory etc.

Totalitarian is nazi germany. Not a forum.

I'm a Council communist Libertarian anarchist socialist communist!
Yeah and so was Margaret Thatcher.

Yes, Daddy is really annnoyed at how rebellious you are being, the image of Che Guevare is soooooo scary as well.
You have a doctorate in modern history?!?

:lol:

Lynx

20th October 2007, 21:44

So the law in Germany is you cannot claim to be a Fascist without legal consequences?

RNK

20th October 2007, 22:11

Let's put it in simple terms:

The majority of the people on this forum do not want idiots like you posting anywhere else but in this padded cell. Democracy rules!

Now shut up and go play CS you nerd.

FleasTheLemur

20th October 2007, 23:04

You'll have to excuse some of my comrades; their heart is in the right place, but their passion can make them seem a bit callous.

Penultimately, fascism and Anarchist/Marxist rhetoric is at ideological odds with each other. Our ideas are compassionate ones; ones involving material rights, human dignity, weak or no national borders, and embracing the ideas of egalitarianism. Fascism is, in effect, the exact opposite of this: their ideas involve nationalism in its true and most hard-line extreme, stamping out all human rights both abstract and material and more often than not, proclaiming that a single race has more worth than all others.

By not allowing fascists in, we save ourself an inordinate amount of trouble on many fronts. Rarely does a far leftist convert over to the far right or vise versa. Rarely does a Red and a fascist reach any sort of 'middle ground' (after all, we hate the middle ground. Less than the fascists, but we do hate it. The fascists also hate the middle ground too--or less they wouldn't be fascists). Debating would only allow us to realize just how much we hate each other.

Great Helmsman

21st October 2007, 01:39

ontheliberalleft may be a crypto-fascist troll, but the truth is that this site bans leftists far more frequently than it does fascists.

Â¡Viva la Libertad!

21st October 2007, 02:04

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+October 19, 2007 06:42 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ October 19, 2007 06:42 pm)
Originally posted by ontheliberalright+--> (ontheliberalright)Nah mate, I have a life,[/b]
Me too. Check.

Originally posted by ontheliberalright
a job
Check.

Originally posted by ontheliberalright
a girlfriend
I'm married, so you fail on that account.

Originally posted by ontheliberalright
University
Been there, its over-rated.

Originally posted by ontheliberalright
a social life... A lot of things which by the look of it none of you indeed have.
Each to their own. For the record i find this brand of one-up manship pathetic, irrelevant and frankly boring.

Originally posted by ontheliberalright
My objection is to censorship. Censorship is wrong. This is a moral absolute and the more you try to justify it the stupider and more naieve you all sound.
That is your opinion, it isnt a material argument against censorship. There is a difference between freedom of speech and the irresponsible abuse of it. Dont come crying to us when a squad of jackbooted boneheads are trying to break your door down at 4 in the morning. You can laugh all you want but history has taught us this is what happens when you allow nazi scum a platform. The only stupidity round here is your ignorance of history.

[email protected]
Seriously, how many of you were born into rich families were once this college-esque rebellious phase wears off you'll go back into daddy's company?
Well, i cant speak for the rest of the posters but lets see, I was born into a broken single parented council estate home, co-erced into sub standarded comprehensive education... I could go on, by i guess my point is, you fail. Again. Badly.

ontheliberalright
I would have been more polite, but the reaction I am getting from you is slightly disturbing me.
If you dont like it, then fuck off. [/b]
Fucking awesome, Ulster Socialist. :D

This ontheliberalright wouldn't mind pulling a Neville Chamberlain and letting
"just a few" Nazis and fascists get their say in matters. Maybe, you know, perform a few "activies". Gassing Jews and noosing black people isn't all that bad if you have something worthy to say. <_<

Anyway, good comment!

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last. — Winston Churchill

Dr Mindbender

21st October 2007, 02:24

Originally posted by ontheliberalright+--> (ontheliberalright)The rich kid gibe was just that - a gibe. Get a sense of humour (Or does it hit too close to the surface?)[/b]
Why dont you check my bank balance then ask me?

Originally posted by ontheliberalright+--> (ontheliberalright)
You are simply ignoring what I am saying;[/b]
touche'.

Originally posted by ontheliberalright

I am against banning people if they say something out of line.
I am not against banning someone because of what they are.
What is the point in allowing people here if they dont have anything to offer apart from racial IQ theories or tales of woe about the 'ZOG conspiracy' and abuse about how us ''dirty red scum'' should be smashed?
Anyway, it could well be the case that we already have stormfront infiltrators in our midst, but the problem is we cant identify and ban them until they actually say something fascist! Now do you get it?

[email protected]

What you propose is simply totalitarian, and you cannot possibly justify it. I don't know why you are being so hostile about this point which in reality was just a minor one.
its no more 'totalitarian' than what would happen if the boneheads got their foot into power. Anyway, as one comrade mentioned this forum isn't intended as a microcosm for a functioning socialist state, neither is it designed for the purposes of entertaining theories about why one race is superior to another.

ontheliberalright

You all got hot and bothered after no provocation. Your not exactly selling your ideology to me very well (Going by the people that buy into it)
I'm not trying to sell any ideology to you. You are clearly set in your view of the world and no post anyone makes will change your mind. Anyway, once the proletarian class stand up for themselves en masse it wont matter what a few pro-beourgiose apologists like you say, as you snipe from the sidelines.

spartan

21st October 2007, 13:04

Comrade_Zac:
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last. — Winston Churchill
No matter what you are Politically you just have to love that quote as it basically sums it all up and tells it like it is.

hajduk

21st October 2007, 14:44

why should i waist my time with fascist idiots when i have here enough smart comraders to discuse about fascist idiots?

Dr Mindbender

21st October 2007, 18:17

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 01:44 pm
why should i waist my time with fascist idiots when i have here enough smart comraders to discuse about fascist idiots?
we have enough capitalist idiots on the OI board to argue with let alone fascists.
:rolleyes:

luxemburg89

21st October 2007, 22:03

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last. — Winston Churchill

Please do not quote Churchill! He was a fat imperialist racist and a total waste of space - so do not waste posting space by quoting the **** :P

Ontheliberalleft: You say you judge individuals - you believe it is O.K. for a Fascist to be a good person? How is that possible - their heirarchal beliefs don't have any effect on that?

Dr Mindbender

21st October 2007, 22:05

Originally posted by [email protected] 21, 2007 09:03 pm

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last. — Winston Churchill

Please do not quote Churchill! He was a fat imperialist racist and a total waste of space - so do not waste posting space by quoting the **** :P

maybe so, but quite a few of his quotes were political own goals (theres a football metaphor for you, lux ;) )
like- ''keep the working class out of the libraries and in the public houses''.

luxemburg89

21st October 2007, 22:44

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+October 21, 2007 09:05 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ October 21, 2007 09:05 pm)
[email protected] 21, 2007 09:03 pm

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last. — Winston Churchill

Please do not quote Churchill! He was a fat imperialist racist and a total waste of space - so do not waste posting space by quoting the **** :P

maybe so, but quite a few of his quotes were political own goals (theres a football metaphor for you, lux ;) )
like- ''keep the working class out of the libraries and in the public houses''. [/b]
Lol! Thanks US :P, good point, he should only be quoted in order to show what a moronic piece of shit he was.

Dr Mindbender

22nd October 2007, 12:10

Originally posted by luxemburg89+October 21, 2007 09:44 pm--> (luxemburg89 @ October 21, 2007 09:44 pm)
Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 21, 2007 09:05 pm

[email protected] 21, 2007 09:03 pm

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last. — Winston Churchill

Please do not quote Churchill! He was a fat imperialist racist and a total waste of space - so do not waste posting space by quoting the **** :P

maybe so, but quite a few of his quotes were political own goals (theres a football metaphor for you, lux ;) )
like- ''keep the working class out of the libraries and in the public houses''.
Lol! Thanks US :P, good point, he should only be quoted in order to show what a moronic piece of shit he was. [/b]
at death his corpse should have been preserved and stuffed and put in a glass case at the natural history museum with all the other dinosaurs!

hajduk

22nd October 2007, 12:48

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+October 21, 2007 05:17 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ October 21, 2007 05:17 pm)
[email protected] 21, 2007 01:44 pm
why should i waist my time with fascist idiots when i have here enough smart comraders to discuse about fascist idiots?
we have enough capitalist idiots on the OI board to argue with let alone fascists.
:rolleyes: [/b]
those suckers came here to discuse?
then they really have problem with social life

Dr Mindbender

22nd October 2007, 14:15

Originally posted by hajduk+October 22, 2007 11:48 am--> (hajduk @ October 22, 2007 11:48 am)
Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 21, 2007 05:17 pm

[email protected] 21, 2007 01:44 pm
why should i waist my time with fascist idiots when i have here enough smart comraders to discuse about fascist idiots?
we have enough capitalist idiots on the OI board to argue with let alone fascists.
:rolleyes:
those suckers came here to discuse?
then they really have problem with social life [/b]
that doesnt really prove anything, cause we're here just as often (if not more than they are)
:rolleyes:

hajduk

22nd October 2007, 18:39

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+October 22, 2007 01:15 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ October 22, 2007 01:15 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 11:48 am

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 21, 2007 05:17 pm

[email protected] 21, 2007 01:44 pm
why should i waist my time with fascist idiots when i have here enough smart comraders to discuse about fascist idiots?
we have enough capitalist idiots on the OI board to argue with let alone fascists.
:rolleyes:
those suckers came here to discuse?
then they really have problem with social life
that doesnt really prove anything, cause we're here just as often (if not more than they are)
:rolleyes: [/b]
well for me does,becouse i am in bar caffe where i have free net and lot of my friends around sitting drinking cofee,beer,listen the good music and somethimes girls ask me to help them with a net :wub: ;)

Dr Mindbender

23rd October 2007, 00:37

Originally posted by hajduk+October 22, 2007 05:39 pm--> (hajduk @ October 22, 2007 05:39 pm)
Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 22, 2007 01:15 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 11:48 am

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 21, 2007 05:17 pm

[email protected] 21, 2007 01:44 pm
why should i waist my time with fascist idiots when i have here enough smart comraders to discuse about fascist idiots?
we have enough capitalist idiots on the OI board to argue with let alone fascists.
:rolleyes:
those suckers came here to discuse?
then they really have problem with social life
that doesnt really prove anything, cause we're here just as often (if not more than they are)
:rolleyes:
well for me does,becouse i am in bar caffe where i have free net and lot of my friends around sitting drinking cofee,beer,listen the good music and somethimes girls ask me to help them with a net :wub: ;) [/b]
good for you, i have to make do with the broadband connection in our house. :(

hajduk

23rd October 2007, 12:35

Originally posted by Ulster Socialist+October 22, 2007 11:37 pm--> (Ulster Socialist @ October 22, 2007 11:37 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 05:39 pm

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 22, 2007 01:15 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 11:48 am

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 21, 2007 05:17 pm

[email protected] 21, 2007 01:44 pm
why should i waist my time with fascist idiots when i have here enough smart comraders to discuse about fascist idiots?
we have enough capitalist idiots on the OI board to argue with let alone fascists.
:rolleyes:
those suckers came here to discuse?
then they really have problem with social life
that doesnt really prove anything, cause we're here just as often (if not more than they are)
:rolleyes:
well for me does,becouse i am in bar caffe where i have free net and lot of my friends around sitting drinking cofee,beer,listen the good music and somethimes girls ask me to help them with a net :wub: ;)
good for you, i have to make do with the broadband connection in our house. :( [/b]
then came to Bosnia man :D

lilo32

23rd October 2007, 16:28

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 04:03 pm
This is a forum you stupid Liberal!

It is not a model for a working Socialist society!

So if we want to restrict or ban a bunch of racist sexist homophobes, who dont contribute anything to an arguement except unfair stereotypical generalizations (Which is'nt really that much of a contribution and does'nt help anyone), then that is exactly what we will do!

Honest to God you Liberals are a bunch of idiots!

It was because of people like you, with your lets give every scumbag a fair chance, that led to appeasment with Hitler and the Nazis.
hitler and the nazi's WTF. honestly im no fucking facist but what the fuck do they have to do with hitler and the nazis?? lol Hitler in my opinion was a german fidel castro of course with greater ambitions and a racist motherfuker!

spartan

23rd October 2007, 17:29

hitler and the nazi's WTF. honestly im no fucking facist but what the fuck do they have to do with hitler and the nazis??
Do you not know anything about the events leading up to WW2 and how the Nazis basically got away with breaking all the rules because of stupid Liberals with there Pacifism and there appeasement policy?

Or perhaps you are mistakenly connecting my comments to the Liberal party?

If so than i am not and you are mistaken as i am refering to Liberalism and the Liberal Pacifist appeasement policies of western Capitalist nations who did not have the guts to stand up to Hitler until it was nearly too late and when Hitler was basically just taking the piss by invading all it's neighbours who were on good terms with the western nations.

Fascism should have been strangled in it's cradle!

But because of Liberal minded people this was never done as they wanted to "talk things through" and "negotiate" :lol:

Invader Zim

23rd October 2007, 17:42

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 11:35 pm
I have doctorate in Modern History and work in a Musuem.
Interesting, I am currently taking a masters degree and am in the process of writing a PhD proposal; so I can get funding from the AHRC.

Spartan, why don't you just go and play in your sand pit; your posts are intolerably ahistoric.

Incidentally US, Martin Niemöller was a vicious and outspoken anti-Semite.

spartan

23rd October 2007, 18:32

Spartan, why don't you just go and play in your sand pit; your posts are intolerably ahistoric.
Nope i will leave that to Liberal apoligists such as yourself.

Faux Real

23rd October 2007, 19:01

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 08:28 am
lol Hitler in my opinion was a german fidel castro of course with greater ambitions and a racist motherfuker!
You'd have to be deluded to think that Fidel Castro compares to Hitler on any imaginable level in their state leadership. <_<

Dr Mindbender

25th October 2007, 13:32

Originally posted by Invader [email protected] 23, 2007 04:42 pm

Incidentally US, Martin Niemöller was a vicious and outspoken anti-Semite.
i honestly wasnt aware of that, however i still think the poem makes a thought provoking statement, which to be fair is true.

Ismail

25th October 2007, 14:11

Originally posted by [email protected] 23, 2007 10:28 am
lol Hitler in my opinion was a german fidel castro of course with greater ambitions and a racist motherfuker!
That's insulting.. How the fuck can you compare Hitler with Castro? Seriously, there is NOT A SINGLE THING YOU CAN COMPARE THEM WITH.

Are you sure you aren't a liberal?

hajduk

26th October 2007, 14:20

Originally posted by lilo32+October 23, 2007 03:28 pm--> (lilo32 @ October 23, 2007 03:28 pm)
[email protected] 19, 2007 04:03 pm
This is a forum you stupid Liberal!

It is not a model for a working Socialist society!

So if we want to restrict or ban a bunch of racist sexist homophobes, who dont contribute anything to an arguement except unfair stereotypical generalizations (Which is'nt really that much of a contribution and does'nt help anyone), then that is exactly what we will do!

Honest to God you Liberals are a bunch of idiots!

It was because of people like you, with your lets give every scumbag a fair chance, that led to appeasment with Hitler and the Nazis.
hitler and the nazi's WTF. honestly im no fucking facist but what the fuck do they have to do with hitler and the nazis?? lol Hitler in my opinion was a german fidel castro of course with greater ambitions and a racist motherfuker! [/b]
you take some hard drugs man?