Wage slavery is not anti-capitalism.

[Gadfly]

Watch this video. Watch this whole video. Watch it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mruo7SvUr6k

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Wow. That guy is pathetic beyond words - never mind the blatant contradiction of being a self-proclaimed "anarchist" and wearing a "Ron Paul Revolution" shirt.

[bcbm]

Probably an an-cap, given his looks, shirt and nationality. Fuck 'im.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

I laughed a little to myself.

"Value of money."

Let's test this theory by dropping off the highest payed CEOs in a remote region of the jungle with all their life savings to see how much value money has.

"I don't have to defend corporations."

Oh god. If there's one thing good to say about corporations, stock holders and board members have some say in what madness goes on. The idea of there being five hundred dominant sole proprietorships doesn't bring that much comfort to my ears.

"A 19th/20th century theory."

Was Adam Smith a man of the Internet? News to me.

"Pimply teenagers."

Logical fallacy aside, the only reason "pimply teens" don't constitute libertarians/anarcho-capitalists is because they're the ones who can afford the thousand-dollar prettyification surgeries.

Though from personal experience this isn't true.

[Raúl Duke]

This is stupid... the guy in the video makes anarchists look stupid (and by proxy so does... :P ) and contradictory (the Ron Paul shirt? WTF? :angry: )

Let me clarify to you Gadfly that there is "authority" (i.e. hierarchy) being used in capitalist "wage slavery".

The capitalist owns the means of production (through financial capital he buys and gets his physical capital, etc) and makes you, the worker, work for a wage.

You have little to no say at how this work is going to be done, when, etc...you have just signed into it and you are bound to it. (I will later tell you what is your "other choice")

In you wage slave job, you might have a supervisor, boss, foreman, who will tell you what to do and how to do it.

Your wage is also "enslaving" in the sense that: "No employer will knowingly hire you to work for him unless the market value of the goods or services that you produce exceeds the wage that he pays you." and in that you, ultimately, have no say what so ever in the production process...you just work for someone else. (Your wage is less than the value that your goods and services are sold for since the capitalist needs to make profit out of you [capital, "dead labor" exploiting current labor, or something like that]; you are working for a person and s/he decided how, when, and how much.)

The other choice for many people is basically the choice of starvation.

In essence, working for a wage is like a form a slavery (you are working for another to benefit over you)...only much higher than that of feudalism, despotism, etc.

[RedStarOverChina]

Let's all give him the applause he deserves.


Here's my reply:

A fat "anarchist" with a Ron Paul shirt defending capitalist institution in slow motion...Is there anything more absurd AND boring at the same time?

The working class are people being forced to work for capitalists---Or else they STARVE. That's not a "Chuuoooice", no more than being forced to work in a cotton field by the master's whip.

[Red Scare]

Umm... These weird vlogger people scare me, do they think that people actually care what they think? And I am sick and fucking tired of all these Ron Paul "revolutionaries" preaching about how Ron Paul will save America and shit....
ARRRGGG! :(

[Raúl Duke]

What's the deal with this Ron Paul dude?

He's just some politician like every other bourgeoisie politician that's running...

[acornsr4squirrels]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 17, 2007 12:59 am
....And I am sick and fucking tired of all these Ron Paul "revolutionaries" preaching about how Ron Paul will save America and shit....
ARRRGGG! :(
dude i know! They're running rampant on the UA campus graffiting everything (okay so it's chalk, but whatev) with craziness.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 17, 2007 02:59 am
Umm... These weird vlogger people scare me, do they think that people actually care what they think? And I am sick and fucking tired of all these Ron Paul "revolutionaries" preaching about how Ron Paul will save America and shit....
ARRRGGG! :(
Look on the bright side: They are under the deluded impression that bourgeois elections can actually be used to effect major social change.

It will be amusing to watch how reality crushes all their dreams.

[Organic Revolution]

Absolutely absurd. These fucking Ron Paul idiots are running around Portland espousing the same bullshit as this guy. Maybe he should read a book before he 'vlogs'

[Ismail]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 08:01 pm
He's just some politician like every other bourgeoisie politician that's running...
Yeah, but the thing is he actually believes in most of the shit he says, which is a bad thing considering that xenophobes, libertarians, Objectivists, general conspiracy nuts, and far-right Christian nuts love him. Also, he ran in 1988 as the Libertarian candidate, so he already has some campaign experience.

Luckily however, these types still compose of a minority of the population.

His stances. (http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm)

Libertarians are interesting if only because they have the ability to appeal to just about every ideology out there on at least one issue.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

I personally prefer Colbert over Paul.

[Dimentio]

As a non-American, I have nothing against Paul. He will at least create some chaos if he gets elected (0,01% probability but yet). Probably, the army will remove him from the White house if he is serious about his ideas of downsizing the US army.

I have seen that the fossiles at the Mises institute are trying to position themselves as left-wingers now, by the content of their articles to judge.

[Killer Enigma]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 01:09 pm
As a non-American, I have nothing against Paul. He will at least create some chaos if he gets elected (0,01% probability but yet). Probably, the army will remove him from the White house if he is serious about his ideas of downsizing the US army.

I have seen that the fossiles at the Mises institute are trying to position themselves as left-wingers now, by the content of their articles to judge.
"The army will remove him from the White House"? Not only is this speculative beyond all measure, it also constitutes as a hypothesis without historical precedent. If Ron Paul were elected President, as commander-in-chief of the military, he would go about his duties as any other President.

As bourgeois politicians go, Paul is a diamond in the rough. He advocates a decentralized free market, which is greatly preferable to an oliogopoly.

[Dimentio]

He advocates the dismantling of the US oversea empire.

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Originally posted by Killer [email protected] 17, 2007 03:58 pm
As bourgeois politicians go, Paul is a diamond in the rough. He advocates a decentralized free market, which is greatly preferable to an oliogopoly.
No, it is not, because a decentralized free market would lead right back to oligopoly in about 5 seconds. Also, Ron Paul wishes to destroy every single gain made by the working class over the 20th century with the help of reformist politicians. Now, I'm not a fan of social democracy, but it doesn't take a lot of imagination to understand the immense human suffering that would follow if all the victories of social democracy were undone.

Besides, I do not believe for a second that someone as reactionary as Paul would actually dismantle the US empire. He is very probably lying.

[Demogorgon]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17, 2007 01:01 am
What's the deal with this Ron Paul dude?

He's just some politician like every other bourgeoisie politician that's running...
Oh he has got one thing making him stand out from the others. And that is his rather interesting pre-congress days in Texas when he was connected to various white power movements. He still has some rather dodgy ties today. Funny how he doesn't care to play that one up when he is fishing for votes :lol:

[Tatarin]

I feel sorry for the guy, actually. You might notice that he looks to his (viewers left) right constantly, indicating that he is forced to read a script with someone holding a gun to his head.

But in real life, he needs only to ask himself if it was angry teenagers that made the revolution in Russia 1917...

[The-Spark]

Wow, i could only watch a minute of that idiocy.

[Organic Revolution]

Yeah this guy is wonderful. "Paul is strongly pro-life, advocating the overturn of Roe v. Wade, and affirms states' rights to determine the legality of abortion." Kick ass.

[rouchambeau]

"Hi, I have a small penis. Vote for Ron Paul."

[RbG]

This guy is such a dumbass!!! I too couldnt watch all of that shit!

[dannthraxxx]

ron paul is an internet revolution! lol, oh god, i hate this world.

[Red Scare]

"Hi, I want you to join the Ron Paul revolution, except to join you must get penis and breast shrinkage surgeries. That is our favorite part."

[davidbrooke]

That was probably the stupidest sounding anarchist i've heard.

"Ron Paul Revolution" lol - silly twat, one man isn't a revolution

[Killer Enigma]

Originally posted by Edric O+October 17, 2007 03:07 pm--> (Edric O @ October 17, 2007 03:07 pm)
Killer [email protected] 17, 2007 03:58 pm
As bourgeois politicians go, Paul is a diamond in the rough. He advocates a decentralized free market, which is greatly preferable to an oliogopoly.
No, it is not, because a decentralized free market would lead right back to oligopoly in about 5 seconds. Also, Ron Paul wishes to destroy every single gain made by the working class over the 20th century with the help of reformist politicians. Now, I'm not a fan of social democracy, but it doesn't take a lot of imagination to understand the immense human suffering that would follow if all the victories of social democracy were undone.

Besides, I do not believe for a second that someone as reactionary as Paul would actually dismantle the US empire. He is very probably lying. [/b]
Lower stages of capitalism (decentralized markets) are preferrable to higher stages (imperialism, neoliberalism). Workers are able to organize in greater numbers if the bourgeoisie remains decentralized and smaller. Moreover, the bourgeoisie is more susceptible to union pressure when they lack the mass quantities of capital accumulated later in capitalism.

I don't believe either system to be appreciable or desirable but if choosing between two evils, decentralized capitalism is infinitely preferable.

"[V]ery probably" is a paradoxical phrase.

[Dimentio]

http://mises.org/story/2752

The Mises institute has actually also endorsed Ron Paul.

Now they are also encouraging conspiracy theories. I love them!