Counteracting

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Comrades who are not Islamophobes might like to read this:

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/pourzal220507.html

Those who are Islamophobes should ignore it.

I have no desire to upset your irrational prejudice.

[Faux Real]

That was a great article, my only concern of the WCP is this:

It condemns Islamist resistance to foreign occupations as anti-modernist
Other than that, they are a great party, and have long since the '79 revolution been operating on the outskirts of Iraq near Iran.

Here (http://www.maryamnamazie.com/tv/women_barred_Banned_Iran.html) is an interview with their party leader on the subject of women in Iran.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Of course there are no executions of homosexuals! They don't exist in Iran! (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pTaaC5wnnsc) :rolleyes: For fuck's sake, they have the Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as their offical Supreme Leader of Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Leader_of_Iran), who came out with such gems as "Today, homosexuality is a major problem in the western world. They [western nations] however ignore it. But the reality is that homosexuality has become a serious challenge, pain and unsolvable problem for the intellectuals in the west."

Honestly, it's OK to oppose both American imperialism and the Iranian ruling class.

[TheDifferenceEngine]

It mystifies me how one could Irrationally hate something that is in its essence Irrational.

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 07:51 pm
It mystifies me how one could Irrationally hate something that is in its essence Irrational.
that doesn't make any sense, at least not to me.

[TheDifferenceEngine]

Originally posted by Red_Anarchist+October 14, 2007 06:53 pm--> (Red_Anarchist @ October 14, 2007 06:53 pm)
[email protected] 14, 2007 07:51 pm
It mystifies me how one could Irrationally hate something that is in its essence Irrational.
that doesn't make any sense, at least not to me. [/b]
Rosa said that Islamophobia is Irrational.

Islam is a Religion and hence is by it's nature Irrational.

Whats there to be confused about?

[RedAnarchist]

Originally posted by TheDifferenceEngine+October 14, 2007 07:59 pm--> (TheDifferenceEngine @ October 14, 2007 07:59 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 06:53 pm

[email protected] 14, 2007 07:51 pm
It mystifies me how one could Irrationally hate something that is in its essence Irrational.
that doesn't make any sense, at least not to me.
Rosa said that Islamophobia is Irrational.

Islam is a Religion and hence is by it's nature Irrational.

Whats there to be confused about? [/b]
so, does that mean that a Christian cannot hate Muslims and vice versa, because hatred of religions is irrational and religious beliefs are themselves irrational?

[LSD]

What that article demonstrates, yet again, is that the intervention of foreign bourgeois agents into developing countries is most likely to push them in a conservative direction.

I have no doubt that absent the involvement of the US and her allies, Iran today would be a far more tolerant and representative state.

But when you are faced with a seemingly invulnerable enemy, the natural human instinct is to retreat to basics. Soical progress requires experimentation and experimentation requires a peaceful millieu in which to conduct research.

Which is why the greatest leaps in human intellectual development also correlate with the greatest stretches of local peace and co-operation. Whether Egypt or Rome or Arabia or America, you need a wide margin of error before you can start trying new things.

The Muslim world todauy, however, sees itself under assault, and not entirely wrongly, and so there is no drive to experimentation, no move to reform. Rather a strong puill back to the centre and the foundations of the ideology.

It'a much like what happened in China following the fall of Luoyang, absolute culture shock, one which the Arab/Muslim world has not yet gotten over.

All this rhetoric and fundamentalism, it's just an attempt to deal with a world that's suddenly moved much too quickly. It's called a paradigm shift, and it's happened many times before. It can be uncomfortable, but I have no doubt that we'll survive it.