neo-stalinist

[Gadfly]

I am a neo-stalinist in ideology. I am not speaking for Stalin or what he did in the USSR, as the historical judgement leaves up in the air. Neo-stalinism is an ideology based on Stalin's writings, not on Stalin the man. This is my strand, take it or leave it.

[which doctor]

You probably won't find many friends here.

[Gadfly]

Very well. But I am also mainly a Stalinist for aesthetic reasons. I like the whole art scene. I want to dress like Stalin and shit like that.

[Pawn Power]

Awsome. Gladfly is my new hero.


Very well. But I am also mainly a Stalinist for aesthetic reasons. I like the whole art scene. I want to dress like Stalin and shit like that.

Thats just hilarious! :lol:

[Organic Revolution]

Fuck Stalin. God damn authoritarian fuck.

[bezdomni]

dress up like stalin....?

[Faux Real]

His 'stache is hot.

Welcome!

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 10:05 pm
dress up like stalin....?
Thats what I was thinking. If you wanna dress like Stalin, obviously you dont have good fashion sense.

http://www.uoregon.edu/~kimball/images/Stalin-post49.jpg
You wanna look like this gomber?

OR!

http://buzznet-97.vo.llnwd.net/assets/users13/sophiecalifornia/default/Travis_McCoy--large-msg-116202603872.jpg
Get a little style, son.

[Dimentio]

Well, I do appreciate totalitarian aesthetics.

Just look at this:

Laibach ~ Geburt einer Nation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YE_j0xIsJA)

[bombeverything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 02:41 am
I am a neo-stalinist in ideology. I am not speaking for Stalin or what he did in the USSR, as the historical judgement leaves up in the air. Neo-stalinism is an ideology based on Stalin's writings, not on Stalin the man. This is my strand, take it or leave it.

:lol:

[spartan]

Serpent:
Well, I do appreciate totalitarian aesthetics.

Just look at this:

Laibach ~ Geburt einer Nation
Laibach are fucking great! Those jackboots they are wearing are lovely.

Also welcome Gadfly!

[Honggweilo]

lol Gadfly, so you insinuate that regular "stalinists" only base their ideology on their love for uncle joe and not on a political or theoretical basis :rolleyes: ?

Anyway welcome comrade, just try to make a few strategical nuances in your political debates here with the right doze of humor and the gross of the regulars here will have a soft spot for ya :lol:


Originally posted by Gadfly
Very well. But I am also mainly a Stalinist for aesthetic reasons. I like the whole art scene. I want to dress like Stalin and shit like that.
:lol: Classic, people i think we might have a new MLS or ChinaStuden.. about fucking time :rolleyes:

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Fucking brilliant, I hope this guy sticks around

[Lenin II]

Thats what I was thinking. If you wanna dress like Stalin, obviously you dont have good fashion sense.

Are you insane? Look at this picture! He exudes power and "military leader" charisma. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of Stalin myself but the fact is he knew how to work a uniform.
http://www.uoregon.edu/~kimball/images/Stalin-post49.jpg
I would totally rock those threads. And that rapper guy looks retarded.

[Gadfly]

Well my transformation begins with de stache.

[Marsella]

'Pull my finger...or the gulag!'

http://www.sovlit.com/pics/stalin_speech1.jpg

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 07:37 pm
Well my transformation begins with de stache.
Nice avatar, dude. So please tell me, what seperates Stalinist writings and philosophy from other leftist sects? I've read a lot of literature, but never anything by him. How do Stalin's ideas differ from those of, say, Lenin?

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by AndrewG+October 10, 2007 08:47 pm--> (AndrewG @ October 10, 2007 08:47 pm)
[email protected] 10, 2007 07:37 pm
Well my transformation begins with de stache.
Nice avatar, dude. So please tell me, what seperates Stalinist writings and philosophy from other leftist sects? I've read a lot of literature, but never anything by him. How do Stalin's ideas differ from those of, say, Lenin? [/b]
In general, they don't.

[Panda Tse Tung]

Yeah, Stalinism doesn't really exist it's more of a pejorative term. Though you could consider it to be an honorary title i guess...

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 08:56 am
:lol: Classic, people i think we might have a new MLS or ChinaStuden.. about fucking time :rolleyes:
Nothing can beat the original MLS!

[Gadfly]

Stalinism is different in that it wishes to bring about the proletarian revolution from the bottom up by spreading socialism first in one country. We also favor the aggravation of class struggle. How can the proletarian revolution come about while fascist scums still are able to speak freely. I believe free speech is not for politics, it is for swearing and talking about sex on TV, but not for disagreeing with the revolution. Ultimately how can we call it freedom if it threatens other communist freedoms?

[Die Neue Zeit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 05:45 pm
Stalinism is different in that it wishes to bring about the proletarian revolution from the bottom up by spreading socialism first in one country. We also favor the aggravation of class struggle. How can the proletarian revolution come about while fascist scums still are able to speak freely. I believe free speech is not for politics, it is for swearing and talking about sex on TV, but not for disagreeing with the revolution. Ultimately how can we call it freedom if it threatens other communist freedoms?
^^^ What's your opinion on Mao? :P

Really, I have yet to see someone who's receptive to Stalin's writings and ideas who was also receptive to "Mao Zedong Thought."

[P.S. - I was once a "through-bred" Stalinist myself, dismissing Mao's emphasis on peasant revolution. ;) ]

[bezdomni]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 12:45 am
Stalinism is different in that it wishes to bring about the proletarian revolution from the bottom up by spreading socialism first in one country. We also favor the aggravation of class struggle. How can the proletarian revolution come about while fascist scums still are able to speak freely. I believe free speech is not for politics, it is for swearing and talking about sex on TV, but not for disagreeing with the revolution. Ultimately how can we call it freedom if it threatens other communist freedoms?
People have to be able to disagree with our revolution and the course of society, even in a very radical way. In fact, criticism and dissent against the communist party itself is very important and without it, our revolution is doomed to failure.

I don't think you really understand Stalin (or Lenin, for that matter).

Tell me, in what essay or pamphlet does either Lenin or Stalin articulate your line?

The Soviet constitution of 1936 says:

ARTICLE 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law:

1. freedom of speech;
2. freedom of the press;
3. freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;
4. reedom of street processions and demonstrations.

These civil rights are ensured by placing at the disposal of the working people and their organizations printing presses, stocks of paper, public buildings, the streets, communications facilities and other material requisites for the exercise of these rights.

ARTICLE 126. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to develop the organizational initiative and political activity of the masses of the people, citizens of the U.S.S.R. are ensured the right to unite in public organizations--trade unions, cooperative associations, youth organizations,' sport and defense organizations, cultural, technical and scientific societies; and the most active and politically most conscious citizens in the ranks of the working class and other sections of the working people unite in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks), which is the vanguard of the working people in their struggle to strengthen and develop the socialist system and is the leading core of all organizations of the working people, both public and state.

ARTICLE 127. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No person may be placed under arrest except by decision of a court or with the sanction of a procurator.

[Prairie Fire]

Mickey Maoist:


Yeah, Stalinism doesn't really exist it's more of a pejorative term. Though you could consider it to be an honorary title i guess...

Thank you! Finally, someone else said it.

Soviet pants:

I don't think you really understand Stalin (or Lenin, for that matter).

Hey, be nice. The overwhelming majority of people on this forum don't ;) .
Comrade Gadfly has an open mind about a taboo socialist personality, and that
is an excellent place to start.

Anyways Gadfly, good luck. As you can see, the reception for the followers of Uncel Joe is, well, cold. ddxt301 said that you should "make a few strategical nuances in your political debates here with the right doze of humor". I think you should also find your ideological allies on this forum. As an "neo-Stalinist", I also suggest you look into Enver Hoxha. Just a thought.

I hope that you&#39;re down with Koba for more than just his wardrobe. <_<

I&#39;m RavenBlade, Neo-Hoxhaist. Welcome to revleft.

[Lenin II]

Stalinism is different in that it wishes to bring about the proletarian revolution from the bottom up by spreading socialism first in one country.

What do you think about the idea of the beauracracy becoming more and more conservative, and eventually failing to support revolutionary forces abroad due to its sense of self-preservation? Do you think such a situation is possible to avoid? Is is possible to be national while supporting workers movements worldwide, or do the two exclude each other?


We also favor the aggravation of class struggle. How can the proletarian revolution come about while fascist scums still are able to speak freely. I believe free speech is not for politics, it is for swearing and talking about sex on TV, but not for disagreeing with the revolution. Ultimately how can we call it freedom if it threatens other communist freedoms?

I can definately see where you&#39;re coming from. There are times when I&#39;ve considered this position--the idea that freedom of speech is always an illusion, and that right now, even in nations such as the US, it only exist for those that have enough power and money to pay for it.

I have a few questions for you, because there are few Stalinists, neo or otherwise on this site. What do you think of other commie leaders, such as Castro, Lenin, Pol Pot, Stalin himself, Chavez, etc.

Also, can you recommend some Stalin writing for me? I honestly have not read a single work by the man.

I am AndrewG, Marxist-Leninist. Welcome to revleft. I certainly welcome you with open arms. I hope the admins will do the same.

[Lenin II]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 01:05 am
^^^ What&#39;s your opinion on Mao? :P

Really, I have yet to see someone who&#39;s receptive to Stalin&#39;s writings and ideas who was also receptive to "Mao Zedong Thought."

[P.S. - I was once a "through-bred" Stalinist myself, dismissing Mao&#39;s emphasis on peasant revolution. ;) ]
Is it mainly the idea of peasant and farmer revolution that people disagree on? In other words, is that the biggest rift between Stalinist and Maoist thoughts? There are a few key rifts in the two schools of thought, but based on what I&#39;ve read, the two seem to have more in common than not. In his little red book, Mao actually recommends his soldiers and workers read the works of Stalin. I realize that in the later years the two individuals had a falling-out, but maybe that doesn&#39;t affect their ideas?

[Die Neue Zeit]

^^^ Sufficed to say that, in realpolitik terms, Stalin actually backed the struggling Nationalists against Mao (again, the peasant revolution question). He was undoubtedly upset when Mao openly declared that his "model" for revolution" rendered the Bolshevik model obsolete (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_split).

Hehe, a book of his was banned in the Soviet Union - by Stalin&#39;s own censors&#33;

[bezdomni]

Is it mainly the idea of peasant and farmer revolution that people disagree on?

No. Lenin, Stalin and Mao all have generally the same line as the peasantry being a revolutionary force.

It&#39;s trotskyists who tend to disagree on this.


In other words, is that the biggest rift between Stalinist and Maoist thoughts?

Maoists are "Stalinists", athough we do have many important criticisms of Stalin.


I realize that in the later years the two individuals had a falling-out, but maybe that doesn&#39;t affect their ideas?

There was no falling out between Stalin and Mao. The two remained pretty close until Stalin died

There was, however, a falling out between the Soviet Union and the People&#39;s Republic of China in 1956, when Khrushchev came to power and, according to Mao, restored capitalism.


There are times when I&#39;ve considered this position--the idea that freedom of speech is always an illusion, and that right now, even in nations such as the US, it only exist for those that have enough power and money to pay for it.

Any poor motherfucker can say what they want in the U.S., but nobody will hear them.

Also, if you talk up too much...you&#39;ll probably find yourself in prison or dead.


Also, can you recommend some Stalin writing for me? I honestly have not read a single work by the man.

I would recommend:

On the Opposition (http://marx2mao.com/Stalin/OTOtc.html)

Problems of Leninism (http://marx2mao.com/Stalin/POLtc.html)

Both are a grouping of smaller essays, pamphlets and speeches written by Stalin.

Marx2Mao: Stalin Archives (http://marx2mao.com/Stalin/Index.html)

[marx2mao is way better than MIA for Stalin and Mao]

[Panda Tse Tung]

Damn, i just wanted to recommend problems of Leninism, lol :P.

Well, SovietPants forgot some important ones though:

Marxism and the national question:
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/...rks/1913/03.htm (http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03.htm)

Trotskyism or Leninism:
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/.../1924/11_19.htm (http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/11_19.htm)

Economic problems of Socialism in the USSR:
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/...blems/index.htm (http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1951/economic-problems/index.htm)

I do prefer MIA because it&#39;s way more professional and readable then M2M.

[Prairie Fire]

I do prefer MIA because it&#39;s way more professional and readable then M2M.

Blasphemy. At least MIA doesn&#39;t use acrobat, though.

[Panda Tse Tung]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12, 2007 04:43 am

I do prefer MIA because it&#39;s way more professional and readable then M2M.

Blasphemy. At least MIA doesn&#39;t use acrobat, though.
Ohw c&#39;mon in almost every single piece of work they have the readable big words eventually change into the same letter type as the sources. Which is totally confusing to read.

[Comrade_Scott]

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 08:41 pm
I am a neo-stalinist in ideology. I am not speaking for Stalin or what he did in the USSR, as the historical judgement leaves up in the air. Neo-stalinism is an ideology based on Stalin&#39;s writings, not on Stalin the man. This is my strand, take it or leave it.
welcome comrade welcome i too belive that stalin&#39;s writings are relevant and should be implimented however i will not say he was an angel, that is still up for discussion
PEACE

[Jazzratt]

Can this thread has sticky?

[UndergroundConnexion]

why are we putting lenin , stalin and mao on a same line here?
two of them contributed to theory (the first and the third) in their own way , the second one greatly damaged our cause and brough noting to theory

[Honggweilo]

Originally posted by UndergroundConnexion+October 12, 2007 06:10 pm--> (UndergroundConnexion &#064; October 12, 2007 06:10 pm) why are we putting lenin , stalin and mao on a same line here?
two of them contributed to theory (the first and the third) in their own way , the second one greatly damaged our cause and brough noting to theory [/b]
how can say stalin havent contributed anything when you uphold mao, someone who upheld stalin on most of his party line? :wacko: Ask any maoist or maoist influenced communist in here.


Soviet Pants

In other words, is that the biggest rift between Stalinist and Maoist thoughts?


Maoists are "Stalinists", athough we do have many important criticisms of Stalin.

Note that Maoists openly endorse Stalin much more openly than most anti-revisionist marxist-leninists do.

The theoretical legacy of Stalin is in his reflections on material situations and the hardships of them and the tactics that should be used in those situation. Read the national question and the problems of leninism for example, just as reference material. Saying he havent contributed anything is rediculous, even if you disagree with his applied measurement.

Also note that upholding Stalin doesnt equal fully endorsing a likewise policy, just mindlessly copying his actions (and mistakes), nor adoring him personally as a cult. It is defending his (and by his i mean that of the soviet union) implementation of leninism in specific, harsh, inhumane climate of reaction and sabotage and not blindly draw the same conclusion of distorted "facts" about that period in soviet history, or of world history for that matter.

[UndergroundConnexion]

i didnt say I uphold Mao, I just highlighted that Mao made more important contributions in theory

[La Comédie Noire]

Well you certaintly are an odd duck, but welcome to the forums&#33;

[Random Precision]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 02:09 am
The Soviet constitution of 1936 says:

ARTICLE 125. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to strengthen the socialist system, the citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed by law:

1. freedom of speech;
2. freedom of the press;
3. freedom of assembly, including the holding of mass meetings;
4. reedom of street processions and demonstrations.

These civil rights are ensured by placing at the disposal of the working people and their organizations printing presses, stocks of paper, public buildings, the streets, communications facilities and other material requisites for the exercise of these rights.

ARTICLE 126. In conformity with the interests of the working people, and in order to develop the organizational initiative and political activity of the masses of the people, citizens of the U.S.S.R. are ensured the right to unite in public organizations--trade unions, cooperative associations, youth organizations,&#39; sport and defense organizations, cultural, technical and scientific societies; and the most active and politically most conscious citizens in the ranks of the working class and other sections of the working people unite in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks), which is the vanguard of the working people in their struggle to strengthen and develop the socialist system and is the leading core of all organizations of the working people, both public and state.

ARTICLE 127. Citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No person may be placed under arrest except by decision of a court or with the sanction of a procurator.
Yea, the Stalin Constitution protected an awful lot of freedoms, just like the US Constitution currently does, ask Jose Padilla.

[Axel1917]

No. Lenin, Stalin and Mao all have generally the same line as the peasantry being a revolutionary force.

It&#39;s trotskyists who tend to disagree on this.

Actually, like Lenin, Trotsky realized that the peasants have an important role to play, but this role is an auxiliary one. The leading role is held by the working class, which links up with the peasantry and urban poor. There is a reason why Lenin never really mentioned anything major regarding permanent revolution and the like, and that is because he was in broad agreement with Trotsky on these issues (you can tell by reading Lenin that he did agree with permanent revolution, hence his anti-Menshevism.), given that Lenin never allowed a major theoretical dispute to go unresolved.

I don&#39;t really understand your desire to dress like Stalin, Gadfly. I would concentrate on the theory instead of I were you.

[Honggweilo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 06:11 am

No. Lenin, Stalin and Mao all have generally the same line as the peasantry being a revolutionary force.

It&#39;s trotskyists who tend to disagree on this.

Actually, like Lenin, Trotsky realized that the peasants have an important role to play, but this role is an auxiliary one. The leading role is held by the working class, which links up with the peasantry and urban poor. There is a reason why Lenin never really mentioned anything major regarding permanent revolution and the like, and that is because he was in broad agreement with Trotsky on these issues (you can tell by reading Lenin that he did agree with permanent revolution, hence his anti-Menshevism.), given that Lenin never allowed a major theoretical dispute to go unresolved.

I don&#39;t really understand your desire to dress like Stalin, Gadfly. I would concentrate on the theory instead of I were you.
And in order to do that, use Axel1917 thought on how to avoid the heathen desires for sex and drugs :lol:

[spartan]

This has got to be the longest Introduction topic ever&#33;

[Honggweilo]

lol yeah, funny thing is i think Gadfly already left :P

[Lenin II]

I hope not, I wanted to hear more Stalin stuff. And I must say I preferred the Stalin avatar.

[Raúl Duke]

Didn&#39;t you hear...

He became an alleged Nazi sympathizing "anarchist".

:lol:
:rolleyes:

[Lenin II]

I must protest the banning of gadfly. I demand to know why the little bugger was banned. The swastika did not mean he was a fascist. He was comparing America to Nazism.

[Bilan]

Originally posted by Lenin [email protected] 21, 2007 11:07 am
I must protest the banning of gadfly. I demand to know why the little bugger was banned. The swastika did not mean he was a fascist. He was comparing America to Nazism.
He was a troll.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 03:04 am
Very well. But I am also mainly a Stalinist for aesthetic reasons. I like the whole art scene. I want to dress like Stalin and shit like that.
:lol: a non-anarchist lifestylist :P

you must have aweful taste :mellow:

[S.O.I]

wtf

/thread

lol

:redstar2000: