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The Advent of Anarchy
7th October 2007, 14:48
I'm MilitantVL, and I have a question. Why did you abandon revolution and start becoming reformist instead? Why do you support the Democratic Party? And my god---WHY do you let people who are NOT communists into your party?!



We are a Marxist-Leninist Party, have not abandoned the idea of revolution. We say a peaceful transition is possible, as did the CPSU others--but such a transition would be revolutionary nonetheless. We have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to non-Communists in the Party.

Perhaps you shold read our program, the Road to Socialism USA, as it lays out our strategy.


http://cpusa.org/article/articlestatic/7/
"You don't have to be a Communist to be part of this effort or make important contributions to it, but it helps!"

Suggestion; among my comrades, you have very little respect because of this, let alone the use of the democrats as a tool for your goals. If you would bar non-communists from your party instead of acting like a radical liberal party and allowing anybody in, you would have a lot more credibility.

My belief is that the United States is not at the moment able to be peacefully changed to the transitional socialist period as of yet. However, if you advocated revolution and reformism, you would be revolutionary. I doubt the bourgeoisie would allow you into Congress, but you can win local elections, which would weaken the bourgeois combined with advocating what Marx, Lenin, and Stalin advocated: armed revolution. If the country was in India's situation, where the bourgeois IS weakened to the point of which the government is serving the people in some ways, then I would suggest elections. But in a country like the United States, which IS the Heart of the Capitalist Beast, elections into major offices are impossible due to indoctrination at a young age, and continuous propaganda and lies coming from McCarthy. However, in all bourgeois democracies where there are some chunks of free elections on the local level, it is possible to win local elections. However, in the long run, you must advocate the insurrection of the class-conscious proletariat against the ruling class and the Capitalist State, in order for the emancipation of mankind from the sewers of capitalism to be truly successful amongst the Workers and in the Communist world.

Of course, you won't be successful relying on the bourgeois left parties like the Dems and the Greens, now would you? Understand that all the normal politicians we see on the news are a bunch of dishonest, power hungry jackals that love the ruling class. The Democrat congress is not serving the Anti-War movement; all they've done is political theatre in order to look like they did. They're still acting in imperialist interests. If you want to be successful, I would suggest using those Red Front groups, like in the Thirties, just a little bit more communistic, and less weird.

Ballots or Bullets? I say both, depending on the situation.

-MilitantVL

More is to come, because the talk is still coming on. I'm trying to transition them into revolutionary politics, away from pure reformism, into the folds of regular communism, and away from Democrat crapheadedness. Hopefully it will work.

RNK
7th October 2007, 16:38
Ballots or Bullets? I say both, depending on the situation.

I like that statement. But you're wasting your fucking time. I say bullets for the CPUSA.

The Advent of Anarchy
7th October 2007, 18:00
Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 03:38 pm

Ballots or Bullets? I say both, depending on the situation.

I like that statement. But you're wasting your fucking time. I say bullets for the CPUSA.
Thanks. I'm thinking of writing a book called Ballots or Bullets?.

What else do I have to do? Right now my other options are walk the dog, take down the trash, or dig around in the refrigerator. I can at least try. It's a good idea combining revolution with reform, because local elections can weaken the bourgeois, and revolution overthrows them. *shrug*

Red October
7th October 2007, 18:24
Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 10:38 am

Ballots or Bullets? I say both, depending on the situation.

I like that statement. But you're wasting your fucking time. I say bullets for the CPUSA.
CPUSA is a huge waste of time. To me, they're basically neutral. They have absolutely no positive effect on our cause, but they're so irrelevant that they have no real negative effect other than making us look like liberals. I never see any sort of active CPUSA groups at anti-war marches, community events, or anywhere else. Fuck 'em all and ignore their liberal shit.

The Advent of Anarchy
7th October 2007, 22:08
Originally posted by Red October+October 07, 2007 05:24 pm--> (Red October @ October 07, 2007 05:24 pm)
[email protected] 07, 2007 10:38 am

Ballots or Bullets? I say both, depending on the situation.

I like that statement. But you're wasting your fucking time. I say bullets for the CPUSA.
CPUSA is a huge waste of time. To me, they're basically neutral. They have absolutely no positive effect on our cause, but they're so irrelevant that they have no real negative effect other than making us look like liberals. I never see any sort of active CPUSA groups at anti-war marches, community events, or anywhere else. Fuck 'em all and ignore their liberal shit. [/b]
Why not change those things? I have nothing better to do If the PSL and other groups were to "dissolve" and have their members join the CPUSA, putting their Party Constitution into effect and changing the policy of the CPUSA into being revolutionary, I wouldn't have to be doing this. But since they aren't, I'll be doing this.

The Advent of Anarchy
8th October 2007, 02:23
I think they might be ignoring me. Any of you wanna pester them?

MarxSchmarx
8th October 2007, 14:14
What else do I have to do?

Organize a union. If you are already in a union, radicalise it. If you are already in a radical union, help organize other shops.

But writing a propaganda book is good.

blackstone
8th October 2007, 14:32
Originally posted by [email protected] 08, 2007 01:23 am
Any of you wanna pester them?
Nope, i have better things to do.

Herman
9th October 2007, 08:45
Thanks. I'm thinking of writing a book called Ballots or Bullets?.

Hmm... is it going to be a succesful book? You know, the kind of book which becomes best seller, but then no one knows that unless they read the cover of the book itself?

Axel1917
11th October 2007, 06:47
CPUSA is a huge waste of time. To me, they're basically neutral. They have absolutely no positive effect on our cause, but they're so irrelevant that they have no real negative effect other than making us look like liberals. I never see any sort of active CPUSA groups at anti-war marches, community events, or anywhere else. Fuck 'em all and ignore their liberal shit.

I have seen a couple of them at anti-war and immigrant rights marches, but that does not change the fact that they are a bunch of liberals.

The sad thing is that I have to pay them to complete my Marx-Engels Collected Works set, as it is far cheaper to get the books from International Publishers themselves (you can get a "buy 3, get 1 free" deal on most of the volumes from them). I wonder what they do with that money. Donate it to the DFL voting campaigns, perhaps? :angry:

Honggweilo
11th October 2007, 07:11
Originally posted by [email protected] 07, 2007 03:38 pm

Ballots or Bullets? I say both, depending on the situation.

I like that statement. But you're wasting your fucking time. I say bullets for the CPUSA.
I'm not a fan of the CP's current course, but that is just a fucking reactionairy statement :angry:

RNK
11th October 2007, 13:13
That would be true, if the CPUSA was any sort of revolutionary organization. As it stands, they are Communists in name only (though I'm sure a few of them honestly believe they are Communists) who campaign for the Democrats.

Honggweilo
11th October 2007, 13:47
Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 12:13 pm
That would be true, if the CPUSA was any sort of revolutionary organization. As it stands, they are Communists in name only (though I'm sure a few of them honestly believe they are Communists) who campaign for the Democrats.
i dispise the current course of the CPUSA leadership, and am much closer to the WWP and FRSO's, but i know for a fact that there are some active ML'ists within the party and the YCL just like there are MLísts in the reformist Italian Communist Refoundation Party. The CPUSA has a rich revolutionairy history aswell as gross mistakes and statements, but a party isnt fully conformed to the general line of their leadership, there are also MLíst who stay in the CP for reasons of familiarity and emotional bond. There active in the Cuban and Venezuelan solidarity campaings and in union work. But to balantly wanting to line them all for the firing squad is idiotic... almost spart rethoric

if a party is always totally conformed to their leadership, the cultural revolution was never possible.

RNK
13th October 2007, 15:18
Yesyes, yadda yadda, it's only rhetoric. I probably wouldn't shoot the CPUSA's members. Maybe individual leaders... the point was to show that they should be completely rejected from the realm of revolutionary politics.