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Schrödinger's Cat
7th October 2007, 06:44
Do you believe there should be a system set up where work is required to consume from the public goods, or do you believe people would contribute the 3-4 hours a day required for labor voluntarily?

Spasiba
7th October 2007, 07:04
From my standpoint, I'd think so, because I know many lazy people, in fact I'm one of them, and if I got the choice to not work but still live, I'd probably fall into it, but maybe more of a minimum would be at least required, a few hours a day on a few days a week. On this subject, my own thoughts are that people should be paid on some kind of importance+skill+time formula to judge how much people would be paid, how does that sound? And of course those incapable of work are the exception

Schrödinger's Cat
7th October 2007, 07:09
I'm open to all ideas actually. I thought there could be worker cards issued to people who are part of community-recognized worker councils/unions. They could be rendered useless within a day like credit cards are if someone does not meet the requirements of a worker council and is booted out from it. There could also be "student," "incapable," and "retired" cards. They wouldn't have a value per se, but would allow people to consume only if they contribute..

The negative is it could mean some people's skills/interests aren't recognized.

ComradeR
7th October 2007, 11:03
The question of "initiative" in Socialism has already been addressed by Marx and Lenin, during this transition phase you will get out as much as you put in.

What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges. Accordingly, the individual producer receives back from society -- after the deductions have been made -- exactly what he gives to it. What he has given to it is his individual quantum of labor. For example, the social working day consists of the sum of the individual hours of work; the individual labor time of the individual producer is the part of the social working day contributed by him, his share in it. He receives a certificate from society that he has furnished such-and-such an amount of labor (after deducting his labor for the common funds); and with this certificate, he draws from the social stock of means of consumption as much as the same amount of labor cost. The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another. -Marx
Lenin puts it more simply.

The means of production are no longer the private property of individuals. The means of production belong to the whole of society. Every member of society, performing a certain part of the socially-necessary work, receives a certificate from society to the effect that he has done a certain amount of work. And with this certificate he receives from the public store of consumer goods a corresponding quantity of products. After a deduction is made of the amount of labor which goes to the public fund, every worker, therefore, receives from society as much as he has given to it. -Lenin