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OrderedAnarchy
6th October 2007, 05:34
I am, and have always been, and will be until my early death, the victim of a completely natural but irreversible neuromuscular disease. No degree of revolution is going to end my suffering. My dilemma is that my mind is a fountain of anarchism. I can't stop thinking about what the world, or at least America, would look like if the people were to rise up and destroy the system. Chief among my thoughts are: what would happen to us, the 'tards and cripples of the world; and would our diseases, in the foreseeable future or even ever, be cured?

Right now, there is a labour shortage in my town. My agencies are raising wages and putting flyers up all around town. My current care-provider is an asshole. Will I have care-providers after the revolution, or will that stuff be up to my family and friends?

When I was sixteen, I had back surgery to correct a 120-degree scoliosis(curve) in my spine. This is not something that I think someone who had not gone through a shitload in college could do. The operation came in two phases; the first phase was to remove the cartiledge between my vertebrae, whereupon I spent a month in traction. The second phase was to insert steel rods in my back to hold the limp spin intact. How will people attain the training to do something like this, if not in exclusive colleges?

There is also intense work being done towards cu ring these illnesses. There are scientists tracking and observing the accumulation of iron in the mitochondria, which causes oxidation and releases free radicals, the most important organelle, causing my disease. They do this by combining highly priced drug tests, involving thousands of people and billions of dollars. My question is this: since a doctor is a busy person, he has no time to make drugs and organize worldwide testing; so how will research continue absent a division of labour??

Dr Mindbender
6th October 2007, 12:47
I would suggest reading about technocratic socialism.
Rather than creating a scientific and technolgical deficit under communism, which the capitalists want you to believe will happen, a conscious effort put into educating, and training the workforce rather than leaving them to stew in undemanding positions of menial labour will foster a more enlightened and productive society. Using this collective knowledge, it would become possible to replace manual work entirely with automation, enabling the human workforce to get on with their technological skills. Once this concept becomes a reality, its not difficult to see why a revolution would benefit science.

The capitalists want to keep the proletarian in a state of ignorance because it helps them to preserve their class disparity.

OrderedAnarchy
6th October 2007, 23:26
In order for technocracy, which is merely a better form of state, to be effective, technology must first be so advanced that it can replace all menial jobs. There must be no more demand for burger-flippers or trash men. There still is demand for those jobs. But there probably is an intermediary stage like DOTP. Where should I start in my research?

Dr Mindbender
7th October 2007, 02:44
Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 10:26 pm
In order for technocracy, which is merely a better form of state, to be effective, technology must first be so advanced that it can replace all menial jobs. There must be no more demand for burger-flippers or trash men. There still is demand for those jobs. But there probably is an intermediary stage like DOTP. Where should I start in my research?
Sorry for the late reply. To be honest, technology already is so advanced that it could replace most menial tasks. We already have the technology to put robot rovers on Mars and to use them for bomb disposal. Why on earth then, cant they be used to stack tins in walmart or asda, or as you mentioned , to 'flip burgers?' The reason it is not done in such a massive scale as to replace all menial human labours is because it is not in the interests of the status quo.

Raúl Duke
7th October 2007, 05:39
My question is this: since a doctor is a busy person, he has no time to make drugs and organize worldwide testing; so how will research continue absent a division of labour??

There are people who actually want to be researchers, doctors, etc...

There are people who work separately as doctors and those as researchers; the "division of labor" that we seek to eliminate are those between who owns, manages, etc the means of production and those who don't.

The only other unnecessary division of labor would be those that divide some similar complementary "mental jobs" and "physical jobs"; such as the current divide between engineers/architects and construction workers. In the future, I suppose this divide between engineer/architect and construction workers would decrease as engineers/construction workers would both have a say in the construction of a project and they both work on getting it done.

except they want to make the major decisions surrounding these jobs instead of having someone else do it...

Also, although you might claim that current tech cannot replace this jobs (I really don't know...) but it's possible that in the post-revolution future research would be intensively place to eliminate "menial jobs" (in specifics, they would actually aim to eliminate jobs that usually don't attract enough adequate willing workers.).