How do we create the momentum ...

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

... to inspire teenagers to begin autonomously creating anticapitalist narcoterrorist groups?
Is this a desirable end?
What lessons can we learn from the economic viability of biker gangs in our society?
What other services, other than drugs, like food, shelter, "protection," etc. can we begin to provide in an economically viable way, allowing us to effectively replace the state in given communities?

Dig it.

[which doctor]

Are you being serious or just taking the piss?

[Pirate Utopian]

Viva la narcoterrorist biker gang revolution!

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Originally posted by [email protected] 04, 2007 08:25 pm
Are you being serious or just taking the piss?
That's a narrow way of looking at it.
I think there's obviously an element to the idea of "Teenage Narcoterrorism" that is immediately inflammatory - it flies in the face of accepted bourgeois values, and traditional models of first-world anticapitalist organizing. I think there's a real value, however, in looking at what sort of illegal organizations in our society are successful (or, at least, sustainable), and seeing what we can learn from them. At the same time, I'm not calling for some sort of thugocracy, or selling herion, or what-have-you - just a consideration of the idea that there are better means of raising funds than benefit shows, better means of rallying communities than rallies, and a better aesthetic than activistism. I mean, a literal, "Sex! Drugs! Class War!" might never be the rallying cry of a generation, but how can we link the former cultural fixations to the third cultural necessity? Is it desirable? Etc.

[Pawn Power]

I think that there is some truth that in the propensity of people to perform unlawful acts there is an inherent resistance to recognize the laws that have been set down by the state with disinterest to the majority. And that these acts of illegality also serve as a contest to the licit form capitalism, and have provided countless people with a sustainable life, further commands acknowledgment by the left to their situation.

[BreadBros]

Narcoterrorist? What does that even mean? I usually hear that label applied to drug cartels, which are anything but "anticapitalist"... in fact they're examples of monopoly. I would agree with Pawn Power...and say that to some degree thats already in effect. Who in our generation doesn't at least know somebody who smokes pot or does some kind of drug...those individuals are being subversive by breaking the law already.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I wouldn't say that breaking the law is necessarily subversive at all - police break the law, neo-nazis break the law, etc. If anything, certain violations of the law serve to reinforce the law, justify it in the popular consciousness, etc. Pot smoking is not subversive in the least - I recommend it, but, from a political point of view, it's not particularly useful (though the image of pot may be useful from a propaganda viewpoint). You're essentially slipping into the logic of CrimethInc. - bolt-cutter enough locked dumpsters and the punk-rock revolution will come. Eeeg.

I used the term narcoterrorist (originally applied, for the record, to Sendero Luminoso, as part of US smear campaign) simply because I thought it played nicely on the primary fears of the American Middleclass - drugs and terrorism. I could have said "Teenagers who sell drugs, then use the proceeds to 'fuck shit up!' and provide basic services to communities" - but it didn't have the same ring.

[BreadBros]

I wasn't advocating breaking the law as a means toward economic change at all. I was just saying that to some degree what Pawn Power is talking about is already in effect.

Your idea is interesting...but I dont know if theres the social base for that to be put into effect.