Che's Assassin Gets Free Cuban Surgery

[Dominicana_1965]

Havana, Sep 29 (Prensa Latina) Cuban doctors doing free cataract surgery at a hospital donated by the Island operated on Bolivian ex Sergeant Mario Teran assassin of guerrilla Ernesto Che Guevara in 1967.

Teran, now an elderly, was operated on in Santa Cruz at an institution that President Evo Morales inaugurated.

The ex military slain Che in October 1967 at the school in La Higuera, after he was caught wounded and unarmed the day before, reminds the Cuban daily Granma in its feature Che vuelve a ganar otro combate (Che Wins a New Combat).

"No one will remember him tomorrow, as it happened four decades ago when he hit the news (...) I ask you not erase this name (Mario Teran) from your memory, so no one will forget and all will judge," said the author.

Teran Jr. Went to Santa Cruz daily El Deber as asked to release a note thanking the Cuban doctors who restored his father's sight via Operation Miracle program.

He will never be able to draw a line between the ideas that turned him a cold-blooded murderer and this man that sent doctors from his guerrilla ranks to cure alike wounded comrades and enemies.

And stresses "Remember this name: Mario Teran, a man trained to kill that sees again thanks to the doctors that followed the ideas of his victim."

Teran followed orders of Generals Renre Barrientos and Alfredo Ovando, the White House and the Central Intelligence Agency, reminds the source.

Che did not even close his eyes after he died to be able to accuse his assassin that resorted to alcohol to fulfill the order.

He told the media later that he shook like a leaf before that man whom at the moment he saw "big, very big, huge," reads the page.

Wounded and unarmed, Che Guevara had the courage his assassin lacked to open his worn-out green-olive shirt, to show his chest and shout: Stop shaking and shoot here, that you are going to kill a man, he reminds.

"Now an old man, he will be able to see the colors of the sky and the forest again, enjoy t e smile of his grand children and watch soccer matches."

The feature concludes that four decades after Mario Teran tried to destroy a dream and ideals with his crime, Che wins another combat and continues in campaign.

http://plenglish.com/article.asp?ID={7A720...E})&language=EN (http://plenglish.com/article.asp?ID={7A720744-2A35-449E-84A7-0EFEF943AB1E})&language=EN)

[Mkultra]

Che died a Hero and this guy lives as a Worm

[Dr Mindbender]

Doesnt surprise me. Wasnt Che's relationship with Fidel less than amicable at the time of his death?

[RGacky3]

Why would'nt he get free Surgery, Health Care should be un political.

[RNK]

The point is that this scum is now reaping the benefits of the system he tried to prevent from existing. I think he knows what he did. And I agree with the article -- we should remember his name, and judge him for his actions.

[Bilan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 11:50 am
Why would'nt he get free Surgery, Health Care should be un political.
Werd.

[Dr Mindbender]

I think fascists should be excluded from NHS treatment.

[dez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 01:57 am
The point is that this scum is now reaping the benefits of the system he tried to prevent from existing. I think he knows what he did. And I agree with the article -- we should remember his name, and judge him for his actions.
this

[Mkultra]

the doctor should slit his throat with a scalpel

[Dr Mindbender]

I just love the irony of the guy who killed che benefiting from the communist health system that che helped bring about!
Fucking hell, you couldnt make it up. :lol:

[Sir Aunty Christ]

It's a well-known fact that right-wingers are in favour of socialistic measures when it benefits them. The Daily Show showed a clip of Tucker Carlson bragging that it was his "choice" not to get health insurance for his son. I bet you any money that if the Carlson's found themselves down on their luck and the kid needed medical attention but it was denied because of lack of insurance - then Tucker would kick-up one helluva stink.

[Raúl Duke]

:huh:

How Ironic....

:che: :ph34r: :che:

[Mkultra]

yea rightwing beliefs are an ideology built primarily on selfishness and fuck you values

[dez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 12:28 am
yea rightwing beliefs are an ideology built primarily on selfishness and fuck you values
actually, no.
It's selfishness, look like you have values, exploit the most of anyone who lets you and stay in your own "exploitation square"(don't trespass in another one's area), and don't have values at all.

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by in_motion+October 01, 2007 12:36 am--> (in_motion @ October 01, 2007 12:36 am)
[email protected] 01, 2007 12:28 am
yea rightwing beliefs are an ideology built primarily on selfishness and fuck you values
actually, no.
It's selfishness, look like you have values, exploit the most of anyone who lets you and stay in your own "exploitation square"(don't trespass in another one's area), and don't have values at all. [/b]
true true

[blackstone]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30, 2007 01:57 am
The point is that this scum is now reaping the benefits of the system he tried to prevent from existing. I think he knows what he did. And I agree with the article -- we should remember his name, and judge him for his actions.
Exactly. Very ironic and causes you to wonder if the patient has made a conscious link. I wonder if he ever repented?

[Sam_b]

The point is that this scum is now reaping the benefits of the system he tried to prevent from existing. I think he knows what he did. And I agree with the article -- we should remember his name, and judge him for his actions.

Do we lower ourselves to the level of the oppressors by denying an old and blind man surgery?

[RedJoey]

During a class conflict he should not be getting any treatment however it works as a great platform for the putting across the benefits of socialised healthcare.

[Herman]

The man deserves worse... but I understand that they will provide healthcare to anyone who needs it.

[RGacky3]

It shocks me too hear that some leftists actually believe in denying someone healthcare because of his past or political beliefs, thats frightening, I certainly would'nt want to live in a Society that would let you die because you don't conform politically or beacuse of crimes you have commited in the past, how is that any different than if the United States refused health care to people for being Communists or Anarchists, it would be just as sick and wrong.

The argument that its good for propeganda purposes is also off, Health care should never be political, Health care exists for humane reasons, to help people have decent healthy lives, for no other reason.

[Mkultra]

well the rightys in America politicize healthcare with all kinds of fearmongering bullshit when all theyre really doin is acten like the *****es of corporate theft that they really are

[Sam_b]

well the rightys in America politicize healthcare with all kinds of fearmongering bullshit when all theyre really doin is acten like the *****es of corporate theft that they really are

So that gives us a carte blanche to do what they do, then?

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 11:13 pm

well the rightys in America politicize healthcare with all kinds of fearmongering bullshit when all theyre really doin is acten like the *****es of corporate theft that they really are

So that gives us a carte blanche to do what they do, then?
they should make the fascists sign a form saying theyll never oppose socialized medicine ever again before they operate on them

[RGacky3]

they should make the fascists sign a form saying theyll never oppose socialized medicine ever again before they operate on them

WHAT? So pretty much force them by threat of death (or serious complications) to change political ideologies, sounds very very totalitarian to me.

[Mkultra]

no--its called raising consciousness

[Mkultra]

rightys are very stupid and dense you need to spell everything out to them

[RedHal]

Originally posted by [email protected] 01, 2007 10:07 pm
how is that any different than if the United States refused health care to people for being Communists or Anarchists, it would be just as sick and wrong.

The argument that its good for propeganda purposes is also off, Health care should never be political, Health care exists for humane reasons, to help people have decent healthy lives, for no other reason.
Since when did the US have universal healthcare, only if you have the $$ you can get the life saving medical help. It doesn't matter if you're a Ayn Rand fanatic or a communist, the US is all about $$.

This scum is benefitting from the system he worked to destroy. Quit being such an idealist and wake up from your dreamworld. Right now the socialist left is at a very weak point in the world, all propaganda opportunities should be exploited to their fullest! So giving this scum the necessary healthcare is worth it for the propaganda benefits.

[RGacky3]

Since when did the US have universal healthcare, only if you have the $$ you can get the life saving medical help. It doesn't matter if you're a Ayn Rand fanatic or a communist, the US is all about $$.

Yeah its economic not political, both are wrong.


This scum is benefitting from the system he worked to destroy. Quit being such an idealist and wake up from your dreamworld. Right now the socialist left is at a very weak point in the world, all propaganda opportunities should be exploited to their fullest! So giving this scum the necessary healthcare is worth it for the propaganda benefits.

Quit Being vengeful.

Universal Healthcare being un economic and un political is one of the most important and basic parts of Socialism, thats what Socialism is all about, you don't go through with something that has to do with Equality and Humaneness for Propaganda benefits, you do it because thats what the system is about. I don't care if no one heard about this, he (like everyone else) should be given the best healthcare available, why? Because he's a human, if you think healthcare should be political, then you better not complain if the otherside makes it political.


no--its called raising consciousness

So a Socialist Society only has to act like a Socialist Society when other people are watching so as to raise consciousness? Is'nt that being a bit dishonest, if that were the case and I was a the average guy watching the news hearing about how cuba gave free healthcare to Ches assasin, then I heard what you guys are saying, I'd throw Communism and Socialism right there as a totalitarian, opportunistic ideology, and for good reason.

[RedJoey]

So are you saying you would have given healthcare to the Tsar or white army general in Russia after the Revolution?

[RGacky3]

Yes Sir, we're fighting a system, not people. Capitalism is Our Enemy, not people.

[RGacky3]

ehem, Che's Assasin Gets Free Cuban Surgery I believe is what the thread was about.

[chebol]

Yes, I believe it IS about that, even with the distractions that seem to pop up whnever Cuba is discussed.

It is pitiful that people who claim to be marxists believe that the mode of production and the class nature of a state can be determined by the make of arm chair or the width of a TV screen.

It is equally pitiful that some of these are those opposed to the treatment given to Teran, a position which shows not only a lack of understanding of politics, but also of socialism - what it truly is, at it's heart.

As those dastardly cubans say: "patria es humanidad".

And to quote from Fidel in 1987: "Che believed in man. And if we don't believe in man, if we think that man is an incorrigible little animal, capable of advancing only if you feed him grass or tempt him with a carrot or whip him with a stick - anybody who believes this, anybody convinced of this will never be a revolutionary, never be socialist, never be a communist."

Now go suck eggs.

[Devrim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 10:50 pm
Yes, I believe it IS about that, even with the distractions that seem to pop up whnever Cuba is discussed.

It is pitiful that people who claim to be marxists believe that the mode of production and the class nature of a state can be determined by the make of arm chair or the width of a TV screen.

Actually, maybe I started this, and I apologise if I did. It must be quite frustrating not to be able to discuss Cuba without this argument coming up. Someone did ask who the exploited class was though. :D

Of course it has nothing to do with the tv screen, and everything to do with class relationships. It would be much better to discuss the nature of the Cuban state on a specially designated thread. Personally, it isn't an argument that has a high priority to me.

Devrim

[Leo]

Ok, I will split the thread.

Link: http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=71464&st=0

[Spasiba]

Honestly, I'm very ok with this. Socialized health-care insures everyone, regardless of what they believe, and I actually find that fact, if anything, beautiful. While the fascists are disgusted by this idea, and do everything in their power to make sure that (god forbid) they ever put a cent towards another humans well-being, when they suffer from disease and need to be cared for, they turn to this system, even the poor neo-nazis, suffering from who knows what, when they are sick and can't afford to care for themselves, we, the left, champions of humanity, welcome them in, and with any luck change them a bit. Sure, they're fucks, but health-care is for everyone.
As far as Cuba's healthcare goes, is there any bigger testament to Che? He was lived and died a doctor, and now his dream, in that way, lives on. The fact that the guy that killed him is getting treated kind of brings up the same thing I said earlier, and maybe this guy is humbled a little by it all. He says, in effect, he feels bad about what he did, which may be a lie, but nevertheless, when he needed to be treated, he turned to the very system he was fighting against. I think thats a good sign for our cause, which makes me all the more pissed-off to see Bush's speech about Cuba at the UN, and I was glad to see the delegation leave when he said what he did.

[Mkultra]

I still think it should be pointed out that once again the Rightwing Beast is on the wrong side of History like theyve always been--they shouldve filmed this enemy of humanity getting socialized care and turned it into a commercial for social justice

[Morag]

Health care is a human right which needs to be respected. Other murderers are given health care; why not Che's? Understandably the irony of benefiting from what he denied millions of his countries citizens is rich and it is going to piss people off, but to the point of suggesting that people should be denied certain human rights? No.

[midnight marauder]

I would do it if I were in there position. It's a great publicity stunt.

[platano2988]

As a medical student, there is absolutely no way that i would be able to live with myself knowing that I restored sight or helped someone who killed one of the people that i identified the most. I can honestly say that if I were one of those doctors, i would not cause him harm or hurt that bastard pig Mario Teran, I would simply rufuse to help this pig. He benefited from a socialist system. Although the cuban doctors are magnificent and are one of the many advances of cuba's exemplary socialist system, they should have left that pig's eyes rot.

[Mkultra]

I still say they should give him an ultimatum that he only gets the socialized care if he does a advertisement extolling its benefits

[Herman]

Another thing to think about: This man was only a pawn, ignorant and unquestioning.

[RGacky3]

I still say they should give him an ultimatum that he only gets the socialized care if he does a advertisement extolling its benefits

Why? Health Care should be free, and free from politics or ideology.


I would do it if I were in there position. It's a great publicity stunt.

I can't believe people are politicizing giving and old man health care, it should'nt make a difference who it is and what the political consequences are.

[Mkultra]

its already been politicized by the scum who martyred Che--we're just trying to set the record straight

[CheRev]

Healthcare is for everyone, no matter what they have done in the past. Even in wars a person who is injured should be helped by whoever can (and obviously arrested after...). As someone said above, we are fighting a system not the people. How are we going to change people over to a more ´humanistic´ system, socialism, by not showing them the benefits that can be reaped from it. By giving this man (who, in fairness, probably would of been sent to jail for a long time himself if hadn´t carried out the order, and was a victim of the system he worked for) the healthcare he needed, Cuba has not only sent a message to the world that socialists are not what cold war propaganda described them as, but a more caring, humanistic system.

If there was a war in the future, to bring about socialism, are the people that are saying he shouldn´t of been treated also saying that the millions of people that could be fighting against us should also not be given treatment after the war? What´s the point? To take out your revenge on them? Revenge is stupid.

[Mkultra]

no I not saying to deny him care by any means--Im just saying they do advertisements on it for propaganda points

[RedHal]

Originally posted by [email protected] 02, 2007 06:15 am


Quit Being vengeful.

Universal Healthcare being un economic and un political is one of the most important and basic parts of Socialism, thats what Socialism is all about, you don't go through with something that has to do with Equality and Humaneness for Propaganda benefits, you do it because thats what the system is about. I don't care if no one heard about this, he (like everyone else) should be given the best healthcare available, why? Because he's a human, if you think healthcare should be political, then you better not complain if the otherside makes it political.
Again, good luck with your fairytale revolution, maybe you think it can be brought about by holding hands and singing.

[Mkultra]

no health care for Righty until they make advertisements saying how healthcare is a basic human right

[RGacky3]

Well I know this much, in the United States, I cannot legally be denied healthcare for my ideological position, or even if I've done anything violently revolutoinary against the state in the past, its Illigal. Would'nt it be a shame if a so-called Socialist state did'nt do this as well.


Again, good luck with your fairytale revolution, maybe you think it can be brought about by holding hands and singing.

I don't see how denying an old man healthcare simply out of spite helps anything at all. I suire as hell would'nt want anything to do with your revolution, what is the point of a revolution if your going to do things like that.

[Dimentio]

Fascists are often quite positive to nationalisations and even socialisations. Neither Hitler or Mussolini were neoliberals. Of course, they want to keep capitalism, but they want to buy off the working class as well.

As for this Bolivian guy. I think that we should not assume that he is a fascist, or that he even has any political convictions at all. Maybe he was just a trigger-puller. Nevertheless a great propaganda victory.

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 09:22 pm
Well I know this much, in the United States, I cannot legally be denied healthcare for my ideological position, or even if I've done anything violently revolutoinary against the state in the past, its Illigal. Would'nt it be a shame if a so-called Socialist state did'nt do this as well.


Again, good luck with your fairytale revolution, maybe you think it can be brought about by holding hands and singing.

I don't see how denying an old man healthcare simply out of spite helps anything at all. I suire as hell would'nt want anything to do with your revolution, what is the point of a revolution if your going to do things like that.
well Rightys deny people healthcare based upon income everyday in America--whats wrong with making them face up to their hypocrisy with public service announcements in favor of socialized meds?

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19, 2007 10:19 pm
Fascists are often quite positive to nationalisations and even socialisations. Neither Hitler or Mussolini were neoliberals. Of course, they want to keep capitalism, but they want to buy off the working class as well.

that was then--Todays fascists are more lethal and want the working class to Die

[CheRev]

well Rightys deny people healthcare based upon income everyday in America--whats wrong with making them face up to their hypocrisy with public service announcements in favor of socialized meds?

Because we are meant to be differnent to them, we have different and better morals, and we need to show this. We´re the exact same as them if we start playing that sort of game. The ´oh but he did it first´ attitude doesn´t cut it after about 10 years of age...

[Mkultra]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20, 2007 02:23 am

well Rightys deny people healthcare based upon income everyday in America--whats wrong with making them face up to their hypocrisy with public service announcements in favor of socialized meds?

Because we are meant to be differnent to them, we have different and better morals, and we need to show this. We´re the exact same as them if we start playing that sort of game. The ´oh but he did it first´ attitude doesn´t cut it after about 10 years of age...
ok fine dont make them do an ad--just sneak a camera into the operating room when the fascist is knocked out and do the advertisement then

[Wanted Man]

I'm amazed how many people here don't see that this is just a way of saying "Look how nice we are". But no, obviously the evil state-capitalists are intentionally doing this to break with Che ideologically after having upheld him for the last 40 years or so. :rolleyes:

[dez]

arresting him for the assassination of che guevara would be nice, though.