What goes around...

[RNK]

Comes around :lol:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pFj0HdW2iDs

A video "expose" on how whites are being "oppressed" in South Africa. Thoughts?

[phasmid]

It makes out as if all the black people are now wealthy, when in fact there are many worse off as a direct result of the governments takeover of white owned farms. Some of the whites would deserve to be in the position they're now in, some wouldnt. However the plight of the black south africans will always be worse than the whit south africans. hmm, its a shame that the people of one country are divided into two groups, "black" and "white".

[spartan]

Were these countries such as Rhodesia and South Africa better off economically (Not politically and/or racially) under white minority rule then they are currently under black majority rule? And also do you ever here any blacks in these countries nowadays saying that things were much better off for themselves under white minority rule as they had food and drink, homes, jobs and money/stable income etc?

The above arguement is sometimes used by white supremacists but from what i have seen it clearly shows these countries as economically stable and/or advanced when under white minority rule (Even when they were social pariahs on the international stage and even had sanctions against them) compared to nowadays where these countries have turned into economic and political shitholes under black majority rule. Is this because of the majority black leaderships incompetence? Or because rich white buisness people have left these countries leaving a huge unfilled hole of much needed experience and talent? Or is it because of the west? Though i personally think the west can not be responsible for this economic backwardness in these specific countries as they pump millions into Africa every year and instead of giving the people much needed materials for life it instead allows these African dictators to buy new weaponry for there forces of oppression.

[Sam_b]

And also do you ever here any blacks in these countries nowadays saying that things were much better off for themselves under white minority rule as they had food and drink, homes, jobs and money/stable income etc?


Sorry to pick on this and state the obvious, but no. Why? Because the majority of them consitently got fucked over.



compared to nowadays where these countries have turned into economic and political shitholes under black majority rule

I would hasten also to add that under white majority rule South Africa was just as much of a political shithole.


as they pump millions into Africa every year and instead of giving the people much needed materials for life it instead allows these African dictators to buy new weaponry for there forces of oppression.

If you think that the biggest problem in Africa is kleptocratic government, then I think you're seriously mistaken.

[spartan]

Sam_b:
I would hasten also to add that under white majority rule South Africa was just as much of a political shithole.
Not economically though which in the current circumstances of Africa is what matters most. I am sure many of these opressed blacks would trade the failed dictatorships which oppress them for a stable economy where they have a job and a stable income anyday. The fact is why was Rhodesia economically stable unlike Zimbabwe is today? Rhodesia was in the same circumstances as Zimbabwe is today as they both states were regarded as pariahs at the international level and sanctions were taken against them limiting their economy. Why was this region known until the 80's as the bread basket of Africa?

I am not against black majority rule (Far from it as i am a leftist who believes in majority rule) but i am against black majority rule when it develops into stupid worthless dictatorships like Mugabes who make their countries into economic and political shitholes where blacks suffer way more then they ever did under white minority rule. At least under white minority rule the blacks had food and drink, a home, a job and a stable income. What the fuck do they have now? 80% of the Zimbabwean population are unemployed and the lucky ones who are employed have to walk miles to get to work as there are hardly any cars or fuel to run the cars, the people are starting to starve as food is quickly running out (Meanwhile at the same time that bastard Mugabe has lavish feasts at his birthday parties :angry: ), people are cueing for basic food staples and supermarket shelves are completly bare and empty! Add to that when ever the Zimbabwean people protest against this injustice there black majority Governments just break up the protests and beat them and imprison them (And even sometimes kill them). Elections are rigged and people are intimidated into voting for Mugabe and all opposition parties are persecuted making Zimbabwe effectivley a one party corrupt state and we all no how well they went about during the cold war era.

At the end of the day the only people to suffer are Africans whether they be black or white the fact is they have allowed a bunch of Fascist bastards into power who have basically ruined there once economically stable countries. It is these oppressed Africans who i feel sorry for as their suffering seems to have no limits. If all people in Africa regardless of their skin colour could look past their differences and see what they have in common (Most Africans being oppressed) then they might actually get somewhere in the future. Until then all i can do is hope and give my support to all Africans regardless of their skin colour who struggle for freedom true freedom.

[ComradeR]

Spartan jesus fuck man you sound a lot like those bastards who defend the colonization of Africa! I know you don't mean for it to come off like that but it really does, it's almost like the bullshit White-Nationalists spew about blacks not being able to run a country without whites leading them.

As for the economy of African states you have to remember that even though they did fairly well the blacks were horrible oppressed under the old colonial rule just as much if not more then today.
Oh and not to mention that many of the dictators in Africa were put into power by the west. In fact many of Africa's problems (such as many of it's ethnic conflicts) stem from the old colonialism and from the neo-colonialism of today.

[spartan]

ComradR:
Spartan jesus fuck man you sound a lot like those bastards who defend the colonization of Africa! I know you don't mean for it to come off like that but it really does, it's almost like the bullshit White-Nationalists spew about blacks not being able to run a country without whites leading them.
I dont mean it like that it is just that i am not that good with words and trying to make a point. What i meant to say was i dont think that it was better economically because of the whites rather i meant that once the black majority rule in many countries transformed itself into dictatorships like Mugabe in Zimbabwe that is when everything started to go wrong. Zimbabwe in the early years of black majority rule was a great example to the world of how a black majority African country can be run. Indeed it was known as the bread basket of Africa in the 80's but then things started to go wrong. The position of Prime Minister was made redundant and unified with that of President creating the title of Supreme President and giving the two most powerful positions of office in the Zimbabwean Government that of head of Government (Prime Minister) and head of state (President) to one person instead of the required two. Mugabe was made the first supreme president and has not been out of that office since then even though the last two elections were seen as corrupt and people were seen to be intimidated into voting for mugabe thus making the elections unfair as the opposition dont stand a chance unless the people stand up for themselves which unfortunately does not seem to be happening anytime soon. Such is the power and influence of Mugabe.

This once beacon of hope to blacks in Africa is now a corrupt dictatorship backed up by brainwashed ideological thugs who hand out beatings to anti Mugabe people. You could compare Zimbabwe to early Nazi Germany as the similarities are startling. Both got into power with the majority of peoples consent, both unified the two highest positions of government into one office headed by one person (In Germanys case the office of Chancellor and President were unified into Fuhrer whilst Zimbabwe unified the offices of Prime Minister and President into Supreme President) Both eventually became racist and developed into a dictatorship and both are backed up by brainwashed bully boys (Germany had the brownshirts Zimbabwe has its pro Mugabe youth league militia).

[bcbm]

Everything "began to go wrong" in post-colonial African nations because of the actions of the IMF/WB (neo-colonialism...) in bringing those nations in to debt and destroying their economies through privatization, auctioning off and shutting down entire industries, etc. The problem is not majority rule, the problem is the continued intervention of western colonialists in African affairs.

[spartan]

bcbm:
The problem is not majority rule, the problem is the continued intervention of western colonialists in African affairs.
Corrupt Dictatorships in Africa, taking western money under the pretense of aid, but who actually use the money to buy their bully boys new weapons to help enforce their oppressive rule, do not help the situation much either.

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 03, 2007 12:50 pm
bcbm:
The problem is not majority rule, the problem is the continued intervention of western colonialists in African affairs.
Corrupt Dictatorships in Africa, taking western money under the pretense of aid, but who actually use the money to buy their bully boys new weapons to help enforce their oppressive rule, do not help the situation much either.
Certainly not, but most of those grew out of the collapsing economies of the 70's and 80's. For a time after decolonization, most African nations were doing quite well and had set up decent infrastructure. Again, the problem lies in western intervention and control.

[black magick hustla]

The corrupt dictatorships of Africa where pretty much the byproduct of an africa devastated by western imperialism and civil war. When the new leaders found out the harsh reality that there wasnt the enough resources to satisfy the needs of everyone, they soon became incredibly corrupt.

[spartan]

Marmot:
When the new leaders found out the harsh reality that there wasnt the enough resources to satisfy the needs of everyone, they soon became incredibly corrupt.
And it is the African Proletariat who has to suffer because of these bastards like Mugabe who hide behind the name of Socialism.

[MarxSchmarx]

There is no question that the video capitalizes on your average Brit's greater sympathy for white people than for black people. I found it strongly racist.

But the apparent indifference of the new government to struggling Afrikaners is no surprise. This also extends to things like "farm-killings".
http://www.genocidewatch.org/BoersSlain01.htm

The ANC has sold out South Africa, Afrikaners included. They hide behind "the difficulty of change" to screw the black poor even more.

Perhaps this will at long last raise class consciousness among more South African whites.

[spartan]

Perhaps this will at long last raise class consciousness among more South African whites.
I think it will as both blacks and whites are suffering in their own ways and they can hopefully together find a common cause to fight for.