The Jura Federation

[The Advent of Anarchy]

What was the Jura Federation? How was it organized? Should we restart it as an Anarchist International? It'd be cool.

[lombas]

I think there is indeed a need for a Second (Fourth) Anarchist International.

[The Advent of Anarchy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 03:58 pm
I think there is indeed a need for a Second (Fourth) Anarchist International.
Of course. So, how can we do such a thing?

[lombas]

Originally posted by Ravachol+September 22, 2007 05:20 pm--> (Ravachol @ September 22, 2007 05:20 pm)
[email protected] 22, 2007 03:58 pm
I think there is indeed a need for a Second (Fourth) Anarchist International.
Of course. So, how can we do such a thing? [/b]
No idea. Also, I really wonder where the real anarchists of this day are. Certainly not at a G8 summit. Such teens can't do much at an Anarchist International.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by lombas+September 22, 2007 12:06 pm--> (lombas @ September 22, 2007 12:06 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 05:20 pm

[email protected] 22, 2007 03:58 pm
I think there is indeed a need for a Second (Fourth) Anarchist International.
Of course. So, how can we do such a thing?
No idea. Also, I really wonder where the real anarchists of this day are. Certainly not at a G8 summit. Such teens can't do much at an Anarchist International. [/b]
Your discriminating against dedicated comrades for doing the work you should be doing? There are intelligent anarchists everywhere, and if we organized it and put out a mass call, it can happen.

[The Advent of Anarchy]

Originally posted by lombas+September 22, 2007 06:06 pm--> (lombas @ September 22, 2007 06:06 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 05:20 pm

[email protected] 22, 2007 03:58 pm
I think there is indeed a need for a Second (Fourth) Anarchist International.
Of course. So, how can we do such a thing?
No idea. Also, I really wonder where the real anarchists of this day are. Certainly not at a G8 summit. Such teens can't do much at an Anarchist International. [/b]
Well, maybe we can contact some anarchist revleft members from different countries and form the Jura Federation again.

[The Advent of Anarchy]

Originally posted by Organic Revolution+September 22, 2007 06:29 pm--> (Organic Revolution @ September 22, 2007 06:29 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 12:06 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 05:20 pm

[email protected] 22, 2007 03:58 pm
I think there is indeed a need for a Second (Fourth) Anarchist International.
Of course. So, how can we do such a thing?
No idea. Also, I really wonder where the real anarchists of this day are. Certainly not at a G8 summit. Such teens can't do much at an Anarchist International.
Your discriminating against dedicated comrades for doing the work you should be doing? There are intelligent anarchists everywhere, and if we organized it and put out a mass call, it can happen. [/b]
Just to note that I didn't say anything. :D *glad I won't get into the argument*

[lombas]

Originally posted by Organic Revolution+September 22, 2007 06:29 pm--> (Organic Revolution @ September 22, 2007 06:29 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 12:06 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 05:20 pm

[email protected] 22, 2007 03:58 pm
I think there is indeed a need for a Second (Fourth) Anarchist International.
Of course. So, how can we do such a thing?
No idea. Also, I really wonder where the real anarchists of this day are. Certainly not at a G8 summit. Such teens can't do much at an Anarchist International.
Your discriminating against dedicated comrades for doing the work you should be doing? There are intelligent anarchists everywhere, and if we organized it and put out a mass call, it can happen. [/b]
I don't call voluntary protest "work". Certainly not when it doesn't make a point anyhow.

Of course there are many intelligent people. Let's hope they all come to a proposed Second International.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by lombas+September 22, 2007 01:48 pm--> (lombas @ September 22, 2007 01:48 pm)
Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 22, 2007 06:29 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 12:06 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 05:20 pm

[email protected] 22, 2007 03:58 pm
I think there is indeed a need for a Second (Fourth) Anarchist International.
Of course. So, how can we do such a thing?
No idea. Also, I really wonder where the real anarchists of this day are. Certainly not at a G8 summit. Such teens can't do much at an Anarchist International.
Your discriminating against dedicated comrades for doing the work you should be doing? There are intelligent anarchists everywhere, and if we organized it and put out a mass call, it can happen.
I don't call voluntary protest "work". Certainly not when it doesn't make a point anyhow.

Of course there are many intelligent people. Let's hope they all come to a proposed Second International. [/b]
Voluntary protests don't spread the word of (insert politics here)? Confronting the state doesn't spur many people to see that there is hope out there for them? Showing the rich and powerful that we are here and we will do everything we can to fight them, that doesn't make them tremble?

It seems rather defeatist to say that protests are pointless, or maybe its just an argument for complacency? Propaganda by the deed is long gone, and what we have now is mass protests to show our distaste, and to meet up with other revolutionaries to organize further.

[The Advent of Anarchy]

Originally posted by Organic Revolution+September 22, 2007 09:32 pm--> (Organic Revolution @ September 22, 2007 09:32 pm)
Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 01:48 pm

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 22, 2007 06:29 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 12:06 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 05:20 pm

[email protected] 22, 2007 03:58 pm
I think there is indeed a need for a Second (Fourth) Anarchist International.
Of course. So, how can we do such a thing?
No idea. Also, I really wonder where the real anarchists of this day are. Certainly not at a G8 summit. Such teens can't do much at an Anarchist International.
Your discriminating against dedicated comrades for doing the work you should be doing? There are intelligent anarchists everywhere, and if we organized it and put out a mass call, it can happen.
I don't call voluntary protest "work". Certainly not when it doesn't make a point anyhow.

Of course there are many intelligent people. Let's hope they all come to a proposed Second International.
Voluntary protests don't spread the word of (insert politics here)? Confronting the state doesn't spur many people to see that there is hope out there for them? Showing the rich and powerful that we are here and we will do everything we can to fight them, that doesn't make them tremble?

It seems rather defeatist to say that protests are pointless, or maybe its just an argument for complacency? Propaganda by the deed is long gone, and what we have now is mass protests to show our distaste, and to meet up with other revolutionaries to organize further. [/b]
Propaganda of the Deed isn't gone, it's just not used lately. Use it, any of you. Fight the system!

[lombas]

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 22, 2007 09:32 pm
Voluntary protests don't spread the word of (insert politics here)? Confronting the state doesn't spur many people to see that there is hope out there for them? Showing the rich and powerful that we are here and we will do everything we can to fight them, that doesn't make them tremble?

It seems rather defeatist to say that protests are pointless, or maybe its just an argument for complacency? Propaganda by the deed is long gone, and what we have now is mass protests to show our distaste, and to meet up with other revolutionaries to organize further.
No, it doesn't make them tremble. Sorry for the disappointment. I didn't say all protests are useless, by the way.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by Ravachol+September 22, 2007 03:44 pm--> (Ravachol @ September 22, 2007 03:44 pm)
Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 22, 2007 09:32 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 01:48 pm

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 22, 2007 06:29 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 12:06 pm

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 05:20 pm

[email protected] 22, 2007 03:58 pm
I think there is indeed a need for a Second (Fourth) Anarchist International.
Of course. So, how can we do such a thing?
No idea. Also, I really wonder where the real anarchists of this day are. Certainly not at a G8 summit. Such teens can't do much at an Anarchist International.
Your discriminating against dedicated comrades for doing the work you should be doing? There are intelligent anarchists everywhere, and if we organized it and put out a mass call, it can happen.
I don't call voluntary protest "work". Certainly not when it doesn't make a point anyhow.

Of course there are many intelligent people. Let's hope they all come to a proposed Second International.
Voluntary protests don't spread the word of (insert politics here)? Confronting the state doesn't spur many people to see that there is hope out there for them? Showing the rich and powerful that we are here and we will do everything we can to fight them, that doesn't make them tremble?

It seems rather defeatist to say that protests are pointless, or maybe its just an argument for complacency? Propaganda by the deed is long gone, and what we have now is mass protests to show our distaste, and to meet up with other revolutionaries to organize further.
Propaganda of the Deed isn't gone, it's just not used lately. Use it, any of you. Fight the system! [/b]
I am not going to derail this thread any further so if you would like to answer, please PM me.

Propaganda by the deed is a dead tactic. There is not as strong of a base in the working peoples to support heads of state and such to be killed, so we will be alienated.



No, it doesn't make them tremble. Sorry for the disappointment. I didn't say all protests are useless, by the way.

Large protests do make the rich tremble, or else there would be such immense security at these protests. If Canada wasnt afraid of us, why did they put up large fences around the summit? What protests do you deem necessary?

[lombas]

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 22, 2007 10:10 pm
Large protests do make the rich tremble, or else there would be such immense security at these protests. If Canada wasnt afraid of us, why did they put up large fences around the summit? What protests do you deem necessary?
I think that's not a sign of fear, that's a sign of "keep the jiggidies out of here".

Well, of course, everyone should determine for himself which protests he deems necessary. I, for one, never underestimate the good value of a book.

[The Advent of Anarchy]

Originally posted by lombas+September 22, 2007 10:26 pm--> (lombas @ September 22, 2007 10:26 pm)
Organic [email protected] 22, 2007 10:10 pm
Large protests do make the rich tremble, or else there would be such immense security at these protests. If Canada wasnt afraid of us, why did they put up large fences around the summit? What protests do you deem necessary?
I think that's not a sign of fear, that's a sign of "keep the jiggidies out of here".

Well, of course, everyone should determine for himself which protests he deems necessary. I, for one, never underestimate the good value of a book. [/b]
Way to protest, Lombas. <_<

[lombas]

Comrades, comrades, what more can love do than show us a chair in the garden with a classic in the one hand and a glass of wine in the other?

That is the way the International goes. I think it is best to laugh away these directors and president, by the book, if we must.

Dressing up all in black, listening to punk instead of Dvorak and Mendelssohn - how will they live after the New Beginning? Are they ready to farm, to rest, to read, to love, to grow and to nurture? Or have they only learned to shout and squat?

Maybe, comrades, we need both. Maybe. As they say here, a horse cannot walk on its front legs alone.

[Organic Revolution]

Always keep in mind diversity of tactics. I for one am more than happy to relax with a good book and listen to Chopin or Mozart, ect. but I am ready to get my hands dirty.

[lombas]

Originally posted by Organic [email protected] 22, 2007 11:29 pm
Always keep in mind diversity of tactics. I for one am more than happy to relax with a good book and listen to Chopin or Mozart, ect. but I am ready to get my hands dirty.
Indeed, good advise.

[Organic Revolution]

But, to put this thread back on topic, where would be the most logical place to hold a large even such as this? When? How?

[Bilan]

It should be something rotated.
And particular anarchist groups/federations should voluntarily put up their *place* - i.e. home - to hold the events/meetings/whatever-you-want-to-call-it.

[Bilan]

Originally posted by Ravachol
What was the Jura Federation?

Look in my signature. :P

But seriously, bit of info on the Jura federation. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jura_Federation)
Also, I believe Kropotkin wrote about them alot.
I&#39;m also part of an anarchist bookshop that adopted the name (Jura books), and I&#39;m sure I could get some information from there if you&#39;d like.



How was it organized?

Along anarcho-syndicalist lines as far as I know.


Should we restart it as an Anarchist International?

yes.


It&#39;d be cool.

I agree. :D

[Fawkes]

There already are four different anarchist internationals: the Internation of Anarchist Federations; International Workers Association; Black Bridge International; International Libertarian Solidarity.

[Bilan]

What&#39;s the difference between the 4?

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 06:06 pm
No idea. Also, I really wonder where the real anarchists of this day are. Certainly not at a G8 summit. Such teens can&#39;t do much at an Anarchist International.
The real anarchists are involved in the following;


IAF-IFA (http://www.iaf-ifa.org/)

International workers Association (http://www.iwa-ait.org/)

Industrial Workers of the World (http://www.iww.org/)

NEFAC (http://www.nefac.net/)

Solidarity Federation (http://www.solfed.org.uk)

Anarchist Federation (http://www.afed.org.uk/)

Confederación Nacional del Trabajo (http://www.cnt.es)

And various other hard-working Anarchist organisations.

Are you involved? I assume you must be, your critisisms are fair, and I am sure you are a dedicated, genuine working class Anarchist. Probably at the forefront of class struggle in your locale?

Notice that there are already Anarchist Internationals.

[A Suvorov]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22, 2007 11:20 pm
Comrades, comrades, what more can love do than show us a chair in the garden with a classic in the one hand and a glass of wine in the other?

That is the way the International goes. I think it is best to laugh away these directors and president, by the book, if we must.

Dressing up all in black, listening to punk instead of Dvorak and Mendelssohn - how will they live after the New Beginning? Are they ready to farm, to rest, to read, to love, to grow and to nurture? Or have they only learned to shout and squat?

Maybe, comrades, we need both. Maybe. As they say here, a horse cannot walk on its front legs alone.
One CAN relax with the classics and a glass of wine...but keep your rifle and red banner handy.

[The Advent of Anarchy]

Originally posted by A Suvorov+September 27, 2007 12:21 am--> (A Suvorov @ September 27, 2007 12:21 am)
[email protected] 22, 2007 11:20 pm
Comrades, comrades, what more can love do than show us a chair in the garden with a classic in the one hand and a glass of wine in the other?

That is the way the International goes. I think it is best to laugh away these directors and president, by the book, if we must.

Dressing up all in black, listening to punk instead of Dvorak and Mendelssohn - how will they live after the New Beginning? Are they ready to farm, to rest, to read, to love, to grow and to nurture? Or have they only learned to shout and squat?

Maybe, comrades, we need both. Maybe. As they say here, a horse cannot walk on its front legs alone.
One CAN relax with the classics and a glass of wine...but keep your rifle and red banner handy. [/b]
Funny, hearing that come from a member of the "C"PUSA. :P