Revolution when?

[Radix]

Revleft, I am tired of being exploited by the international bankers and groups of powerful men who see it is their duty to make me a slave. I've read these forums quietly for quite a while now and I see more inside arguing and bickering about what's right than any kind of organizing. You put on ski masks, balaclavas, and bandannas and fight cops who are just doing their job, destroy properties of people who don't know any better. You spray paint an A with a circle around it on a wall like it's going to magically convert everyone to your side. You drop isms and divide our beliefs up instead of uniting as one. You speak of revolution as the second coming of christ; you want it to happen sooo bad, but you aren't getting out of your comfy house to do any real action about it.

Our enemies shouldn't be ourselves. It should be the bourgeoisie; our EU, our federal reserve, and central banks, the evils who alienate me and you everyday. We must fight these people before it is too late, and we pledge allegiance to an absolute world government, RFID chips implanted inside of us to watch who we are, where we're going, and what we're doing, afraid to stand up to the evil regime that many will praise because we didn't try effectively.

I am pissed, revleft, and I cannot take it any longer.

So my question, so that I may learn, revleft, is why is there no revolution now? If we really wanted it, we could have already had it, right?

[Kropotkin Has a Posse]

Who's "we?" The revolution will be brought about by ordinary people or not at all. We're just here to spark their imaginations, when you get down to it.

[Tatarin]

Revleft, I am tired of being exploited by the international bankers and groups of powerful men who see it is their duty to make me a slave.

I'm guessing you've been watching Alex Jones. As before, the problem isn't one or many groups of men, but capitalism as a whole. Why protect a system which creates these kinds of things?


I've read these forums quietly for quite a while now and I see more inside arguing and bickering about what's right than any kind of organizing.

Of course. People are discussing what kind of society we want and how to get there. Should there be socialism before communism, or should we go directly to communism? What is socialism? Should we aim at the early years of Soviet Russia, or what Chavez is doing? Or were/are that pointless?

Besides, there are a lot of organizations all around, like communist parties, international organizations. Pick one.


You put on ski masks, balaclavas, and bandannas and fight cops who are just doing their job, destroy properties of people who don't know any better.

Yes - cops whose mission is to protect capitalism. Cops who themselves use excessive violence, lies and in many cases racism to do whatever it takes to keep the machine going.

As I am not an anarchist, I can't really define what the destruction of property means, but my guess is that it is what I said - symbolism to destroy private property alltogether, everywhere.


You spray paint an A with a circle around it on a wall like it's going to magically convert everyone to your side.

And other ideologies are not doing that? Don't think capitalism isn't doing anything to keep people from realizing their liberation.


You drop isms and divide our beliefs up instead of uniting as one.

That is part of being human. People simply do not think exactly the same. We all agree that the world needs change towards a class-free and property-free world, but how that is going to be achieved is different from one person to the next.


You speak of revolution as the second coming of christ; you want it to happen sooo bad, but you aren't getting out of your comfy house to do any real action about it.

Do you really believe it is that easy? It isn't just about going out and change the world. The world must be ready for change in order for it to happen. The majority of all humans must in one way or another understand what socialism and communism really is.

Right now, the majority still see the shadow of the Soviet Union as the prime example. And many of us aren't just sitting down - we do all kinds of action. Demonstrating against racism, for better working conditions, talking to our friends and families.

But if you have a plan on how to create revolution tomorrow, please share it.


and we pledge allegiance to an absolute world government,

Why do you believe a world government is a bad thing?

And besides, have you seen any indication of a succesfull world government plan? How come the EU constitution got voted down by only two countries, by votes around the 50% line? If there was a conspiracy to establish world government, why bow down to those numbers?

Oh, we have the United Nations. Yes, a UN who have, what, 10 000 troops? Resolutions to support the United States, not against it. Like the agreement that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - yet a coalition was formed against the United Nations.

A world government would eradicate nationalism and the stone-aged belief that people are different in different countries.


RFID chips implanted inside of us to watch who we are, where we're going, and what we're doing,

A scary future indeed, and one thing that is a part of capitalism and it's surveillance system.

[Ramachandra]

[QUOTE]You speak of revolution as the second coming of christ; you want it to happen sooo bad, but you aren't getting out of your comfy house to do any real action about it.
Hey that comment is unfair!First of all we talk.Yeah We SHOULD talk because theory needs to be active. right?In that sense talking,discussing is productive and We must proceed.When we come in to action its true that in every country or continent the situation is not the same.After the collapse of the USSR there is some kind of a weakness in action but if you see there are many struggles for social justice.Anti imperialist struggles are growing in a large scale.Thousends are devoting their lives,labour,knowledge for them.Any idea of what is happening in nepal now?In india communists are in action.Sri lanka the struggle for a new society is attracting more and more masses.I have no clear idea about europe but if injustice is there the struggle for justice automatically gets validation.So why not try out?Just begin.
"If you are a revolutionery well do it!"-Che

[Raúl Duke]

I've read these forums quietly for quite a while now and I see more inside arguing and bickering about what's right than any kind of organizing.

That's what forums are for... :mellow:

There are sections devoted to practice, events, etc which are used by comrades here to know whats being organized so they can participate in it.

Revleft also has a thread with a list of political organizations so you can join and be active.

This is a forum, not a political organization. We discuss theory, practice, etc.

All because the people in Revleft seem "to do nothing" (some here are actually very active in real life in political organizations) doesn't mean that there are people (including some people here) who are out there doing something about the situation.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by Juan Sin [email protected] 19, 2007 01:59 am
Who's "we?" The revolution will be brought about by ordinary people or not at all. We're just here to spark their imaginations, when you get down to it.
WORD

[Schrödinger's Cat]

Originally posted by hajduk+September 19, 2007 11:35 am--> (hajduk @ September 19, 2007 11:35 am)
Juan Sin [email protected] 19, 2007 01:59 am
Who's "we?" The revolution will be brought about by ordinary people or not at all. We're just here to spark their imaginations, when you get down to it.
WORD [/b]
I agree 100%. We each have our own ideas, but in the end we as socialists trust the people to know what's in their best interest. If they make mistakes, they'll fix them.

[Tower of Bebel]

Provocations and terrorism are not a product of revolutionary knowledge.

[rocker935]

While for the most part I agree with all of you guys. It can't be solved in one day. Its just that ppl like Radix and I are sick and tired of doing nothing. We want change and we want it now. But still, you guys are right, the world just isn't ready. All I can say is do your best to spread the word, I draw shit all over the sk00l. I dun't force my ways on anyone but I do my best to encourage.