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Rainie
16th September 2007, 14:34
"At meetings of the Sovnarcom, Lenin often exchanged notes with his collegues. On one occasion he sent a note to Dzerzhinsky: "How many vicious counter-revolutionaries are there in our prisons?" Dzerzhinsky's reply was "About fifteen hundred." Lenin read it , snorted something to himself, made a cross beside the figure, and returned the note to Dzerzhinsky. Dzerzhinsky rose and left the room without a word. No one paid any attention to Lenin's note or to Dzerzhinsky's departure. The meeting continued. But the next day there was excited whispering. Dzerzhinsky had ordered the execution of all the fifteen hundred "vicious counter-revolutionaries" the previous night. He had taken Lenin's cross as a collective death sentence. There would have been little comment had Lenin's gesture been meant as an order for wholesale liquidation. But, as Fotyeiva, Lenin's secretary explained: "There was a misunderstanding. Vladimir Illich usually puts a cross on memoranda to indicate that he had read them and noted their contents." This "misunderstanding" cost fifteen hundred human beings their lives. [p.350, David Shub, Lenin]

Vargha Poralli
16th September 2007, 14:42
So what is your point ?

What do you want to discuss ?

Rainie
16th September 2007, 14:46
Originally posted by Vargha [email protected] 16, 2007 01:42 pm
So what is your point ?

What do you want to discuss ?
I don't want to be miscontrued by the comerades. I'm a leftist with anarchist tendencies. What I want to discuss is were there anarchists on that list??? And why would they be deemed "counterrevolutionaries?" I respect and admire Lenin very much but his attitude with the anarchists is absolutey childish!!

Vargha Poralli
16th September 2007, 14:52
Originally posted by Rainie+September 16, 2007 07:16 pm--> (Rainie @ September 16, 2007 07:16 pm)
Vargha [email protected] 16, 2007 01:42 pm
So what is your point ?

What do you want to discuss ?
I don't want to be miscontrued by the comerades. I'm a leftist with anarchist tendencies. What I want to discuss is were there anarchists on that list??? And why would they be deemed "counterrevolutionaries?" [/b]
I really don't know. Given that Emma Goldman,Alex Berkman and Victor Serge lived on to tell their experience my opinion is that not all anarchists were on that list.


And why would they be deemed "counterrevolutionaries?"

That may be subjectie and based upon their activities.


I respect and admire Lenin very much but his attitude with the anarchists is absolutey childish!!

And anarchists attitude towards Lenin is more mature :rolleyes:

Intelligitimate
16th September 2007, 15:11
Interesting story, though it sounds a little too fishy for me. A google search reveals Shub's reference is "Naglovsky, A. The Red Leaders. Reminiscences, Sovremnyya Zapiski, Paris, No. 61, pp.441-2," but I can find nothing further about this reference.

Comrade_Scott
27th September 2007, 01:22
oook so there was a mixup..... yep one sick son-*****, please pardon me if the point is lost on me

Comrade Rage
27th September 2007, 02:08
As much criticism as there is for Dzerzhinsky, he was necessary. Every revolution needs someone to get rid of the former generals, industry magnates, etc that could conduct terrorism.

If you think we won't need one after America's revolution, you're a little naiive.

Wanted Man
28th September 2007, 16:07
Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 03:11 pm
Interesting story, though it sounds a little too fishy for me. A google search reveals Shub's reference is "Naglovsky, A. The Red Leaders. Reminiscences, Sovremnyya Zapiski, Paris, No. 61, pp.441-2," but I can find nothing further about this reference.
That should raise some "red flags" (excuse the pun) to comrades.

Anyway, if this is true, I think it's still incredibly funny. Do I have a Sick & Degenerate Mind too?