NEPALI MAOISTS

[blazeofglory]

Well most of you know a lot about Nepali Maoists through news and articles but its a fact that I as a Nepali will have a better idea of what exactly is happening here.

The Maoists are demanding for a republican or else they claim they'll quit the government and move to the streets. A positive idea but lets see them walk the walk than just talk the talk.

The YCL or the Young Communist League, the student wing of the CPN (M) has proved to be a bully. They have been engaging in quite a few good social works but mostly its looting and threatening and stuff!!!

I personally had a lot of hope from these guys but the Maoist leaders who came from the jungle to the government have tended to become more of opportunists.

They claim that they are for ELECTIONS but it is well known that they wont win the elections bcoz they are largely unpopular.

So, the future for a better Nepal cannot be entrusted upon even the Maoists and we have seen the failure of the past political parties both the left and the right. What we need is a new socialist revolution with new faces.........

And, when's the question! but at present, its a "no way out" situation in Nepal..

feel free to discuss about the MADHESI violence or the Maoists, or for that matter any thing about Nepal in this topic. I will give you the true picture....

long live the revolution
Hasta La Victoria Siempre

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 03:37 am
The Maoists are demanding for a republican or else they claim they'll quit the government and move to the streets. A positive idea but lets see them walk the walk than just talk the talk.
You should wait and see before you come to conclusions comrade.


The YCL or the Young Communist League, the student wing of the CPN (M) has proved to be a bully. They have been engaging in quite a few good social works but mostly its looting and threatening and stuff!!!

I fucking love it when the YCL burns bourgeois politicians in effigy and raids bourgeois politician offices.

[Red October]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 15, 2007 01:46 am
I fucking love it when the YCL burns bourgeois politicians in effigy and raids bourgeois politician offices.
Agreed. I'm not a Maoist, but I don't see a problem with bourgeois political parties getting fucked up.

[blazeofglory]

And do u guys love it when they beat up the working-class people as well? recently they bullied some villagers and beat up teo dozens of them because they would not give money to the YCL!!!

It isn't only bourgeois political parties getting fucked up, its the NORMAL people!!!!

The YCL has constantly been into abducting not only the elite but also the NORMAL citizens......

[Bilan]

And do u guys love it when they beat up the working-class people as well?

I'm pretty sure they said "I fucking love it when the YCL burns bourgeois politicians in effigy and raids bourgeois politician offices"

But as for your question, what, in your honest opinion, do you think the actual response to that is going to be?



recently they bullied some villagers and beat up teo dozens of them because they would not give money to the YCL!!!

Sources? Evidence?



The YCL has constantly been into abducting not only the elite but also the NORMAL citizens.....

That's quite a claim your making there...
can you prove it?

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 08:32 pm
And do u guys love it when they beat up the working-class people as well? recently they bullied some villagers and beat up teo dozens of them because they would not give money to the YCL!!!

It isn't only bourgeois political parties getting fucked up, its the NORMAL people!!!!

The YCL has constantly been into abducting not only the elite but also the NORMAL citizens......
You have no idea how much we love to see workers get beat up. That's totally why we're communists.

No. There's a big difference between saying we dont mind seeing bourgeois capitalist politicians being burned in effigy and thinking it's cool to beat up workers. I'm not a Maoist, so ask RNK what his line on beating up workers is. I hear MIM is endorsing it now.

[blazeofglory]

can you prove it?

HA!

just look at any Nepali News Daily coz its almost EVERYDAY news here!!!

Let me give u some Briefs thru the past week:

and this are just the tip of the iceberg, believe me coz I am a Nepali stayin in Kathmandu!!!

http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?nid=121732
http://www.bestnepal.com/news.php?id=299
http://www.nepalnews.com.np/archive/2007/s...ep15/news03.php (http://www.nepalnews.com.np/archive/2007/sep/sep15/news03.php)
http://www.southasianmedia.net/cnn.cfm?id=...r&Country=NEPAL (http://www.southasianmedia.net/cnn.cfm?id=421427&category=Law&Order&Country=NEPAL)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4549411.stm
http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?nid=122624
http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2007/2484/
http://www.southasianmedia.net/cnn.cfm?id=...y&Country=NEPAL (http://www.southasianmedia.net/cnn.cfm?id=423066&category=Militancy&Country=NEPAL)
http://www.gorkhapatra.org.np/content.php?nid=26091
http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?opti...=3066&Itemid=94 (http://peoplesreview.com.np/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3066&Itemid=94)
http://www.inseconline.org/news_detail.php?newsid=1658
http://www.inseconline.org/news_detail.php?newsid=1655
http://www.inseconline.org/news_detail.php?newsid=1645
http://www.inseconline.org/news_detail.php?newsid=1642


ITS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG I REPEAT!!!
If u want, I can update you daily with their atrocities

[RNK]

I'm not a Maoist, so ask RNK what his line on beating up workers is. I hear MIM is endorsing it now.

Please don't try and connect me with MIM, it's petty, untruthful, and I'll kick your fucking anarchist ass. :D

Anyway, it depends on the circumstances. Obviously communists shouldn't be going around beating up workers and stealing their money. However, if it were an isolated, small group of workers with bourgeois-directed ideals (such as private ownership), then I imagine it would be necessary to combat them.

blazeofglory, are you a supporter of the CPN-UML?

[autocritique]

I've heard these sorts of claims, from both the bourgeois press and seemingly ordinary Nepalis, from almost the beginning of the people's war. They've always troubled me, no matter the source.

It seems almost inevitable that some abuses or excesses will be committed in any mass revolution (people enter these revolutions with all sorts of baggage inherited from a lifetime of class society and sometimes they make mistakes or otherwise do things they shouldn't).

The real question, in my opinion, is not whether or not abuses take place. Rather, we should be concerned about whether these abuses are the rule or the exception and, if so, what's being done to rectify such shortcomings.

The bourgeois press obviously has no problem generalizing a few abuses so as to portray the entire revolutionary experience as one big massacre. It is pretty much a given that they will do this.

blazeofglory, what is your opinion of this blog?: http://neilsnepal.wordpress.com/

[RNK]

Rather, we should be concerned about whether these abuses are the rule or the exception and, if so, what's being done to rectify such shortcomings.

I do know a couple of years ago, there were reports of abuses on the part of the Maoists. As a response, the Party allegedly conducted a widespread campaign to investigate these claims and rectify these problems. However, I am not deeply knowledgable about the CPN(M) so I can not say with certainty what the results of these moves were, or whether there were even results, or whether it was simply a propaganda gimmick to make the Party seem concerned with justice.

Although I do know about confirmed mass abductions the Maoists used to carry out in the countryside. On several occasions they'd "kidnap" groups of workers or older school children, take them to some hidden camp somewhere nearby, feed them, keep them comfortable, and essentially give them an "educational class" on what socialism, communism, and the CPN(M) is all about. It was an effort to combat the misinformation being institutionalized by the monarchy in the media and press. After a period of time ranging from hours to a couple of days, the people would be returned and wouldn't be bothered again. Nobody was ever beaten, killed, harassed, etc. Of course, the media attempted to flare these up into outright terrorism -- but judging by the support the Maoists received (and still receive) throughout the country, I'd say these accusations are unsubstatiated.

[Red October]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 09:44 pm

I'm not a Maoist, so ask RNK what his line on beating up workers is. I hear MIM is endorsing it now.

Please don't try and connect me with MIM, it's petty, untruthful, and I'll kick your fucking anarchist ass. :D
Relax RNK, I was kidding. I know you're not down with MIM or their bullshit. Don't take anarchists so seriously :P

And I'm not an anarchist by the way. That's petty, untruthful, and I'll kick your fucking Maoist ass.

[Red October]

[double post, ignore]

[OneBrickOneVoice]

blazeofglory,

I think that's largely bullshit.

Does anyone else here remember when there was that big thread about how the CPN-M was going around beating gays and everyone was running around the forum screaming about this? And then like a month later TC posted an article on how this was bullshit conducted by completely different groups or a bunch of people posing as the maoists to discredit them.

You yourself say you know all you know from the bourgeois media, well yeah its the fucking bourgeois media, its known to report bullshit, exagerations, and etc..

Now I'm not saying there aren't probably cases where people acting as cadre of the maoists have done abusive shit, but these are isolated cases. You posted like maybe 4 cases where like a couple of people were hurt, assuming that this actually was maoist cadre, they were most likely punished severly. Prachanda released a statement a while back declaring that all those who engage in coercion of that type, will be severly punished by the party.

Lastly, if the maoists are so unpopular, how did they come to control 80% of the countryside. I'm sorry but that is impossible to do without Mass Support weither you like it or not.

[blazeofglory]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16, 2007 02:44 am
blazeofglory, are you a supporter of the CPN-UML?
this CPN-UML has a communist name, and thats it, just communist names and slogans. It is filled with sucking opportunists!!! i like the main leader of the party "Madhav Nepal" a bit though.....

same with CPN-ML and other so-called leftist parties......

you will get a nice idea if you take a look at wikipedia i think......

[blazeofglory]

I've heard these sorts of claims, from both the bourgeois press and seemingly ordinary Nepalis, from almost the beginning of the people's war. They've always troubled me, no matter the source.

Well same here dude.

I agree that at first the then Royal army would always inflate events and sometimes publicize events that might never have taken place.

I congratulate the Maoists on their really praiseworthy effort during the 11 years of People war. They began with as less as 90+ people and they expanded their revolution massively. I like the second-in-power Dr. Baburam Bhattarai a lot. He's such an intellectual and had he not gone to the jungle he could have, if he wanted, lived the life an elite...... but his sacrifice is worth praising.

And, yes, people die in a revolution. When there has to become a great change, we must suffer many losses in the beginning, thats right. I supported the maoists even when they came ahead to join the government, but then............ the YCL turned out to be some hooligan group!!! and so are the others.



blazeofglory, what is your opinion of this blog?: http://neilsnepal.wordpress.com/

well I admit, the YCL are into a couple of good things as well but its outnumbered by their wrong ones


they'd "kidnap" groups of workers or older school children, take them to some hidden camp somewhere nearby, feed them, keep them comfortable, and essentially give them an "educational class" on what socialism, communism, and the CPN(M) is all about. It was an effort to combat the misinformation being institutionalized by the monarchy in the media and press. After a period of time ranging from hours to a couple of days, the people would be returned and wouldn't be bothered again. Nobody was ever beaten, killed, harassed, etc. Of course, the media attempted to flare these up into outright terrorism

VERY RIGHT!!! I agree that there were a lot of cases as such..... but there are cases when they abducted school principals and locals (accusing them of conspiring against them) and somehow 'dissappearing' them....


thousands of people who the maoists abducted are missing... and this are authentic UNHCR reports...... not the army's



Does anyone else here remember when there was that big thread about how the CPN-M was going around beating gays and everyone was running around the forum screaming about this? And then like a month later TC posted an article on how this was bullshit conducted by completely different groups or a bunch of people posing as the maoists to discredit them.

This happens a lot as well...... groups posing to be Maoists ask people to hand over money to them or sometimes accusations of murders go towards them

BUT THE POSITIVE SIDE OF THE MAOISTS IS THAT, WHATEVER ACTS OF VIOLENCE THEY COMMITED They owned up for it,...... so it was easy to sort out whether they did it or not...........


Prachanda released a statement a while back declaring that all those who engage in coercion of that type, will be severly punished by the party.

theres a belief taht the party leadership is failing./.... thought the maoists are denying this. the central members of the party like BADAL are not satisfied with Prachanda, Baburam and Mahara (the present Maoist minister of information) it is heard.


Lastly, if the maoists are so unpopular, how did they come to control 80% of the countryside. I'm sorry but that is impossible to do without Mass Support weither you like it or not.

aah , comrade, didnt the king control 100% of the country before? and it was WITHOUT the popular support.
well, when the Maoists controlled the countryside, there was huge crisis. some hundred thousands got displaced and left their homes to go to india or some safer places. because at times the maoist's PLA demanded that from each family they should give a very high fund to the maoists or handover some member for adding up to their army.

[Red Heretic]

BOG,

the bourgeois press and right wing "anti-terrorist" think-tanks are not good sources about the real character of the YCL.

[Red Heretic]

Just for everyone's information:

An IP check reveals the blazeofglory is posting from the USA, not Nepal as he claims.

[blazeofglory]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 16, 2007 09:02 pm
BOG,

the bourgeois press and right wing "anti-terrorist" think-tanks are not good sources about the real character of the YCL.


Just for everyone's information:

An IP check reveals the blazeofglory is posting from the USA, not Nepal as he claims.
Damn.........
Whats up with you guys? Why should I pretend that I am from Kathmandu? And, I really dont have any idea about this IP thing nd how does it indicate that I am from the US.

I AM FROM KATHMANDU NEPAL, If you want, you could call me up. My cell no. is +9779841677785

or you could as well send me a message from from the free sms service WADJA.COM

And, its not the the bourgeois press and right wing "anti-terrorist" think-tank that are sourcing my views......

I dont consider the Maoists as terrorists but I look at them from the brighter side!! And, you believe me or not, but I am very very less hopeful from them.

And, whatever be my perspective, it is a well-known fact here in Nepal that the maoists are not going to win the elections mostly owing to the YCL.

The best part of the Maoists now is that they are demanding a secular and republican Nepal.....................

Why dont you try and contact other Nepali leftists in Nepal and ask them how these Maoists are faring!!!!

AND, THE PRESENT INTERIM GOVERNMENT IS CLAIMING THAT THE ELECTIONS WILL TAKE PLACE ON NOVEMBER THE 22nd!!!

Lets see what happens next.

I have no grudge against the CPN(M). Though I said I am very less hopeful from them but it is a fact that whatever *LESS* hope I have, its rested in their arms.