Miami man finally fed up and decides

[Vinny Rafarino]

It appears we have a new hero in Florida.

I was just having lunch and saw a "breaking news story" about a South Florida man who just opened fire on four pigs with an AK-47 wounding three and killing one.

From what the gestapo in Miami are saying the "suspect" was pulled over (by four cops?) for "driving erratically" (that's Miami police code for "driving while black") but instead of allowing the storm troopers to spit on his dignity he decided to fight back with the only thing that these fuck-wad pigs understand: violence.

Unfortunately only one has died so far but hope remains alive that the one that went into emergency surgery croaks on the operating table.

I'm posting this here because I want the restricted folks to be able to comment on this.

There's a new sherrif in town! (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/13/miami.shootings/index.html)

[Dr Mindbender]

If he were a fash would he still qualify as a 'hero'?

[Faux Real]

Wow, a massive manhunt for just one guy. I wonder what he was running away from. You sure he isn't a Muslim Vinny? :lol:

[Faux Real]

The first two were a general comment and a question.

Of course you wouldn't get the last sentence.

If he were a Muslim you wouldn't be so ecstatic about this.

[LuXe]

FUCK killers.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Cheeky bastard


Speak English son.

If he were a fascist would he still qualify as a hero?

I'm not your fucking son.

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 08:16 pm
FUCK killers.
I agree, their last album was grossly over-rated. :lol: :P

[Jazzratt]

While he's still loose in Miami let's hope he drops some Gusano scum.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by revolting
There's a difference between a 'normal' manhunt and a 'massive' shutdown of the city Manhunt.

Are you on drugs dude?


but rather why he was being followed before he was pulled over.

You must have missed the part where I never said he was running from the police prior to getting pulled over and when I said he was pulled over for "driving erratically".


Oh but it does have to do with the thread.

No it doesn't.


Had reports stated his religious background you would have rushed to judge that he was a maniac bent on 'jihad' for whomever gets in his way, and worry about the civilians who are in immediate danger!

Which method did you use to see into the future? Did you look into the crystal ball, roll the bones or was it "in the stars"?

With so many people on this board that can predict the future you have to wonder why they haven't already told us when and where the revolution will happen so we can at least relax for a while.


Calm down Vinny, there's nothing worthwhile to wank off about.

You don't find it exiting when people fight back against our oppressors?

What kind of "leftist" are you son?

Besides of course the kind that supports reactionary religious cults and fundamentalism.

[Dr Mindbender]

Perhaps we should cheer if he guns down some debt collectors or taxmen, since they are also 'oppressors of the working class' albeit in different ways.

[Faux Real]

You must have missed the part where I never said he was running from the police prior to getting pulled over and when I said he was pulled over for "driving erratically".
There is obviously something that caused him to drive "erratically", numskull. Unless of course, he's taking the same drugs as you.

Which method did you use to see into the future?
By reading the shit you type, compliments of your regressive mind.

You don't find it exiting when people fight back against our oppressors?
If a mass struggle ain't involved, there's no reason to get your panties in a bunch. Sorry.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by drunkatola khomeini+--> (drunkatola khomeini) Perhaps we should cheer if he guns down some debt collectors or taxmen, since they are also 'oppressors of the working class' albeit in different ways.[/b]

In your drunken state it must be pretty easy to confuse civilians with cops.


revolting
There is obviously something that caused him to drive "erratically", numskull. Unless of course, he's taking the same drugs as you.

Says who?

It's a common practice for pigs to pull black people over for no reason at all.

I'm sure your detachment from reality with have you denying that too.


If a mass struggle ain't involved, there's no reason to get your panties in a bunch. Sorry.

Spoken like a true reactionary.

I keep forgetting that your psychic powers make you privy to when and where the revolution will begin.

Are you gonna let the rest of us know when it will happen or not Nostradamus?

[Faux Real]

Says who?
So Allah sent him an AK-47 out of the heavens?

It's a common practice for pigs to pull black people over for no reason at all.
Are they usually armed?

I'm sure your detachment from reality with have you denying that too.
If only he had shot you.

I keep forgetting that your psychic powers make you privy to when and where the revolution will begin.

Are you gonna let the rest of us know when it will happen or not Nostradamus?
Hopefully not in your lifetime, old man.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by revolting
So Allah sent him an AK-47 out of the heavens?

Considering your mystic beliefs it wouldn't shock me if you actually believed that.

In any case, this statement does nothing to prove that the man was "running" from something or driving erratically as the pigs claim.

I personally don't believe anything that pigs say; their track record for lying is longer than a our resident drunk Irishman's pour from the whiskey bottle.

I personally find your "trust" in the "word" of cops to be revolting.


Are they usually armed?

In many cases I would say yes. Does that make it right for pigs to pull them over "just in case" they are?


If only he had shot you.

You're one mixed up little kid man.

You get pissed off that a man whacked a cop but you wish death upon me.

You need therapy.

[Faux Real]

I personally find your "trust" in the "word" of cops to be revolting.
Okay, so he threw some pencils at them and penetrated one badly enough to kill him. That makes sense. :rolleyes:

In many cases I would say yes. Does that make it right for pigs to pull them over "just in case" they are?
With automatic weapons?
Of course not. They do it anyway though, and it's to be expected of them.

You get pissed off that a man whacked a cop but you wish death upon me.
Now you're just putting words in my mouth. There's nothing wrong with it, but I don't see the reason to get riled up over an individual resisting.

You need therapy.
An "ignore what Vinny types" command would work.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by revolting+--> (revolting)
Okay, so he threw some pencils at them and penetrated one bad;y enough to kill him. That makes sense[/b]

Dude you are really confused.

You said:
Originally posted by revolting+--> (revolting)There is obviously something that caused him to drive "erratically", numskull. Unless of course, he's taking the same drugs as you.[/b]

I said:
Originally posted by raf
Says who?

It's a common practice for pigs to pull black people over for no reason at all.

I'm sure your detachment from reality with have you denying that too.

Then you said:
Originally posted by revolting
So Allah sent him an AK-47 out of the heavens?

You will notice this is when you get really confused and start replying with comments that have nothing to do with this specific conversation.

Then I said:
Originally posted by raf
Considering your mystic beliefs it wouldn't shock me if you actually believed that.

In any case, this statement does nothing to prove that the man was "running" from something or driving erratically as the pigs claim.

I personally don't believe anything that pigs say; their track record for lying is longer than a our resident drunk Irishman's pour from the whiskey bottle.

I personally find your "trust" in the "word" of cops to be revolting.


Then you come from Pluto with this one:
[email protected]
Okay, so he threw some pencils at them and penetrated one badly enough to kill him. That makes sense. rolleyes.gif

You really need to focus son.


With automatic weapons?
Of course not.

Kid, outside of your bedroom in mommy and daddy's house thousands upon thousands of automatic weapons are carried in vehicles.


They do it anyway though, and it's to be expected of them.

And I say that that's bullshit and applaud when they get caught with their pants down.

That's what any real leftist would do.


Now you're just putting words in my mouth

Is that so?


revolting
If only he had shot you.

How could you forget about a post you made just minutes ago?


There's nothing wrong with it, but I don't see the reason to get riled up over an individual resisting.

Right.

You're too busy getting "riled up" about prejudices against suicide bombers.

[RedAnarchist]

I've just read that they thought it was another guy at first, and named him! Course, it wouldn't have mattered to the doughnut-munchers - they're hunting a black man who killed one of "their own", so they probably don't care about anyone but themselves at the moment.

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 09:55 pm
How much more worthless a person can you be.
He could be a pro-pig cheerleader for Jihadis like yourself.

[Faux Real]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 03:19 pm
He could be a pro-pig cheerleader for Jihadis like yourself.
Not you too, Jazz? :(

If I was either of those two, I would've taken offense to that. Sorry I'm not. :)

[Faux Real]

If you get the feeling I'm somehow "pro-pig" because I realize this has done absolutely nothing to advance anything progressive(besides acknowledging that police can be killed) I'm sorry you're feeling confused. Sure, he killed a cop. Great. Now what?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13, 2007 10:23 pm
If I was either of those two, I would've taken offense to that. Sorry I'm not. :)
Perhaps you don't cheerlead Jihads, to be honest I've not been following those threads much, but you seem a little pro-pig.

Some of Miami's Porcinist come and arbitrarily pull over a dude for (as VInny pointed out) what amounts to "driving whilst black". They underistmate this bloke and one or two of them end up as pork but you seem to have more sympathy for them than the poor dude who's going to get a massive beat down from the cops who notoriously "look after their own".

[spartan]

I fucking hate the pigs! And Vinny's right about pigs stopping young black men for no fucking reason other then them being young and black and perhaps confident (which to the pigs means "cocky" and "disobidient"). We should applaud this individuals single act of resistance. Or are the pro police lot on here going to say that you should not resist oppressors? Because it would not surprise me one bit if they did! The death of a person who is apart of a reactionary institution such as the police is a huge victory for the left! Some would say "yeah but what if he was a sympathiser with the left" but i would say "why join the fucking enemy then!". I have had a bad experience with the police so i am not going to give them any fucking sympathy the fucking pigs!!!

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by revolting
Thanks for wasting my time. I'm not going to bother with your petty arguments and deliberate moving around of what I've said

Are you high?

You can follow the thread yourself and see that nothing has been "deliberately moved".


Not you too, Jazz?

Reality sucks eh kid?


Sure, he killed a cop. Great. Now what

On to the next one silly boy.

That's how revolutions start. Not that you're familiar with anything revolutionary.

[Faux Real]

Perhaps you don't cheerlead Jihads, to be honest I've not been following those threads much, but you seem a little pro-pig.
Tell that to the cops who have almost arrested me! :lol:
(edit)
They did get my father and mother, however, once they claimed they were passing a stop sign. Also the numerous times getting into fights, with knives, pans, and other kitchen appliances have they come over to take one of them away for misdemeanors. Yeah, I don't have a very synthetic family... but that's not the point of this thread either, so sorry.

I've had a few personal encounters though nothing very violent. Luckily they didn't send me to jail for being a minor.

Originally posted by Jazzratt+September 13, 2007 03:28 pm--> (Jazzratt @ September 13, 2007 03:28 pm)Some of Miami's Porcinist come and arbitrarily pull over a dude for (as VInny pointed out) what amounts to "driving whilst black".[/b]
That happens throughout the states, dude. I've been a passenger in about 5 of those very same incidents during High School.

They underistmate this bloke and one or two of them end up as pork
I applaud him for having the guts to reject submission. My friends never carried weapons in their car though, but I'm not bashing him for having one either.

but you seem to have more sympathy for them than the poor dude who's going to get a massive beat down from the cops who notoriously "look after their own".
Incorrect, but I should have made my point clearer.

Vinny was trying to tell me that the sole reason he was pulled over was whilst "DIB". My impression is that there had to have been something more to it because the man was carrying a rifle. I don't need to trust the 'word' of cops that he was carrying one because he killed one of them.

I'm cheering him on and hope he doesn't get caught and killed severely, believe me, I like renegades. I am just saying that he didn't spark a revolutionary movement.

Vinny
That's how revolutions start. Not that you're familiar with anything revolutionary.
Is he attempting to sieze control of something? No. He is trying to get away. Luckily he has, for now, and downed a cop in the process. Revolutionaries don't usually get stopped on the road.

That said, while many may feel sympathy, they probably don't care about how he'll end up. Maybe if his actions had 'inspired' the middle class then we could start talking about revolution.

[Eleftherios]

Originally posted by Ulster [email protected] 13, 2007 07:56 pm
If he were a fash would he still qualify as a 'hero'?
Do fascists always have to be brought up in conversations like these?

That said, I definitely do not agree with how the guy we're talking about acted the way he did, but he might have been so fed up that he just lost the ability to reason and went berserk. I could, of course, be completely wrong.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by revolting+--> (revolting)Vinny was trying to tell me that the sole reason he was pulled over was whilst "DIB".[/b]

You're still confused.

Actually I never said it was the "sole" reason. Quote me, I dare you.

I do believe that it was indeed the reason though but since my crystal ball does not work as good as yours does, I can't tell you for sure.


My impression is that there had to have been something more to it because the man was carrying a rifle.

In some states in the US you can legally carry fully automatic rifles in your car.

Shit, in some areas it's even common.

You wouldn't know that because you haven't even stepped out of your parents home yet.

Noe let's be realistic here, if the cat's intentions were bad and that's why he had the gun do you really think that he was going to drive around recklessly just for shits and giggles?

You've got a lot to learn about life.


My friends never carried weapons in their car though, but I'm not bashing him for having one either.

I would suspect that's because you and your friends are just kids! You're barely out of puberty and you want to compare your life with some cat that's probably done more prison time that you've had birthdays?

Good grief.


Is he attempting to sieze control of something? No. He is trying to get away. Luckily he has, for now, and downed a cop in the process. Revolutionaries don't usually get stopped on the road.


So now your an expert on the driving habits of revolutionaries? Did your genie tell you that when he popped out of his lamp?

You are are completely clueless on how and why revolutions begin.

Stop embarrassing yourself kid.



Tell that to the cops who have almost arrested me!

Do you expect to get a cookie or something for "almost being arrested"? What the fuck to I get for actually being arrested and placed in prison for 2 solid years?

A dozen?


my brutha TAT
Oh Vinny, you've gone and upset them again

I'm sure they will get over it once they kiss their first chick at the school dance; those hormones can make a kid silly! :lol:

[The-Spark]

Originally posted by Vinny [email protected] 13, 2007 11:13 pm


Is he attempting to sieze control of something? No. He is trying to get away. Luckily he has, for now, and downed a cop in the process. Revolutionaries don't usually get stopped on the road.


So now your an expert on the driving habits of revolutionaries? Did your genie tell you that when he popped out of his lamp?

You are are completely clueless on how and why revolutions begin.

Stop embarrassing yourself kid.


This is just for my curiosity personally, but how would you say most revolutions start?

[Vinny Rafarino]

The very same way every revolt begins: with one person.

For further details research the social phenomenon known as "mob rule" and you will have your answer.

[Comrade_Scott]

Originally posted by Vinny Rafarino+September 13, 2007 03:15 pm--> (Vinny Rafarino @ September 13, 2007 03:15 pm)
drunkatola khomeini
Perhaps we should cheer if he guns down some debt collectors or taxmen, since they are also 'oppressors of the working class' albeit in different ways.

In your drunken state it must be pretty easy to confuse civilians with cops.

[/b]
dude not all cops are bad i know many good cops....mby w should stop generalizing eh..??

[Lord Testicles]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 02:31 am
dude not all cops are bad i know many good cops....mby w should stop generalizing eh..??
As people cops may be the nicest guys in the world but as an institution the cops are nothing but oppressive tools.

[RedAnarchist]

They got him -he was killed in a shootout.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/14/miami.shootings/index.html

[Idola Mentis]

So, some psychotic fucks murdered each other, and both sides are proud of it. Yeah, I can see how this heroic struggle will usher in the revolution.

[BlakSheep]

dude not all cops are bad i know many good cops....mby w should stop generalizing eh..??
I completely agree. Pigs as a whole are horrible but you've got to remember that they are people too. They didn't all become cops so they could oppress not only the minorities but also the poor, some joined so that they could protect their proletariat communities. by generalizing all cops as pigs, you only lower yourself to their level when they go after the poor just for the sake that we are "inferior". We cannot apply their rules of ignorance because it is that ignorance which we are trying to escape. Now don't get me wrong, I mistrust all cops, (but than again I'm careful with everyone. :unsure: ) I find it embarrassing that the lot of you have resorted to name calling to win an argument(if you can call it that.) Persuasion not alienation! Word to the wise, belittling people by calling them"son" doesn't help them see your logic in your views.

[RedStarOverChina]

RIP Shawn Labeet.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Comrade_Scott+September 13, 2007 06:31 pm--> (Comrade_Scott @ September 13, 2007 06:31 pm)
dude not all cops are bad i know many good cops....mby w should stop generalizing eh..?? [/b]
I'm ashamed to post on the same board as an individual that apologizes for capitalism's bullies.

The very same people that you think are "not bad" will be the very same ones that would be plugging you with lead if there ever was a massive revolt.

Dipshit.


Originally posted by [email protected]
They got him -he was killed in a shootout.

I wonder who shot first?

No I don't.


blaksheep
Word to the wise, belittling people by calling them"son" doesn't help them see your logic in your views.

I'll keep that in mind, son.

You and that other kid really need to decide who's side you're on.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Those of you who are defending the pigs should be fucking ashamed of yourselves.

[Demogorgon]

How does a psycho shooting cops for no particularly good reason make for something to be celebrated let alone imagined to have anything to do with a revolution?

Nobody likes the pigs but this is not acceptable behaviour. You lecture us about living in the real world, well tell me how this brings about any benefit in the real world? Leaving a couple of kids without a father is not going to bring you any closer to a revolution.

I am amazed at some of the shit we get here.

[LuXe]

You know a cop, while still brainwashed and serving a system, is still a human beeing. While I do not mourn them, I dont go around fucking celebrating their deaths, thats just fucking cynical.

Fuck, I at least thought you leftist would agree with me on the value of a human life.

[Comrade Rage]

I heard about this yesterday on the radio, and you know what--I'M FREAKING HAPPY :mellow: :) :P :D :lol: !!!!!!!!!!!!

At last count 2 of 'em were dead.

LuXe: What are you talking about? These are the same kind of pigs who fought leftists at the FTAA protests!!!

I don't know the freedom-fighter's motives, however what he did was right, and that's what counts.

I salute him.

[RedAnarchist]

Remember when that cop got killed at a football riot in Sicily earlier this year? Some people said it was revenge for the death of a young Italian leftist at a demonstration a few years back.

[LuXe]

Comrade; I DONT CARE how you justify it, it is regardless an inhumane moronic act. The guy deserves no less than prison. Salute him all you fucking want, it doesnt matter, the guys a fucking murderer, and hes going to have to pay. Should we constantly fight with voilence? Thats whats gives the revolutionary left such a bad image, why cant you choose a stance in ideology and attempt to reach out with other means than killing people.

One muredead cop wont DO SHIT to our cause, and its stupid. Why the fuck people support this douche is beyond me.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by demo+--> (demo)How does a psycho shooting cops for no particularly good reason make for something to be celebrated let alone imagined to have anything to do with a revolution?[/b]

How does a psycho pig shooting civilians for no particularly good reason make for something to be celebrated?


let alone imagined to have anything to do with a revolution?

In the real word "revolution" is a violent occurrence.

Or did you think the pigs would just "hand it all over" while humming "give peace a chance"...

How do you hide a revolution from a hippy?

Put in under the soap....


You lecture us about living in the real world, well tell me how this brings about any benefit in the real world?

It brings us one less ruling class storm trooper subjugating the masses.

It also teaches these pigs a lesson: sometimes when they fuck with us we will fuck with them right back!


pig lover
The guy deserves no less than prison

Prison. :lol:

The pigs saw to it that a prison cell won't be in his future.

Did you expect anything less from these bullies?

[Demogorgon]

Originally posted by Vinny [email protected] 14, 2007 08:16 pm
How does a psycho pig shooting civilians for no particularly good reason make for something to be celebrated?

And how does that have anything to do with what I wrote?
In the real word "revolution" is a violent occurrence.That does not mean that every act of violence is revolutionary. This isn't support for revolutionary activity, ths is a fetish for violence without the slightest care for what the violence's purpose is

It brings us one less ruling class storm trooper subjugating the masses.
Or rather t opens up one more place on the next police training programme. It won't lead to any reduction in the number of police.

It will leave a couple of children to grow up without their father though. But I guess that doesn't matter to you

[Dr Mindbender]

Originally posted by Vinny Rafarino+September 13, 2007 09:15 pm--> (Vinny Rafarino @ September 13, 2007 09:15 pm)
drunkatola khomeini
Perhaps we should cheer if he guns down some debt collectors or taxmen, since they are also 'oppressors of the working class' albeit in different ways.

In your drunken state it must be pretty easy to confuse civilians with cops.

[/b]
Big deal. You still manage to confuse fantasy and reality when you're sober.

[LuXe]

"The pigs saw to it that a prison cell won't be in his future.

Did you expect anything less from these bullies?"

Listen up, here comes REALITY. I do not support police. I'll be the first one to say that, however, I would not kill them. Why? Well, first off; Who the fuck does it help to kill anyone? How does it help? MORE VOILENCE BREEDS MORE VOILENCE. Why cant you see the obvious fact that killing someone doesnt help? On top of that, it damages or reputation as a serious leftist branch. Not only that, but is a human beeing for pete's sake. It beeing killed means there are family, friends and relatives left behind.

Now supporting some cop-killing "goon" does not make you a revolutionary, in fact; it makes you a person which is ignorant to the fact that killing helps noone.

Why not spend less time throwing bricks, glass and start beeing more politically active in serious groups that dont support that, and work towards the societies better understanding of communism/socialism, and make them think that that this is not a movement of goons killing cops, But a movement of people seeking freedom! A movement of people showing unity and solidarity!

What is it you find so hard to comprehend?

[Dean]

Originally posted by Jazzratt+September 13, 2007 10:28 pm--> (Jazzratt @ September 13, 2007 10:28 pm)
[email protected] 13, 2007 10:23 pm
If I was either of those two, I would've taken offense to that. Sorry I'm not. :)
Perhaps you don't cheerlead Jihads, to be honest I've not been following those threads much, but you seem a little pro-pig.

Some of Miami's Porcinist come and arbitrarily pull over a dude for (as VInny pointed out) what amounts to "driving whilst black". They underistmate this bloke and one or two of them end up as pork but you seem to have more sympathy for them than the poor dude who's going to get a massive beat down from the cops who notoriously "look after their own". [/b]
There is no reason not to support taking a person off the road if they are driving erratically. If Vinny is in fact right, and it was random racial profiling, then perhaps there is a point there. But I doubt he can "look into a crystal ball" as he put it.

And I find it disgusting that you assume Rev0lt is a "jihadist" (I'll assume you mean islamic militant, because the term is misused). What do you have to go on? A picture of a girl wearing an Hijab?

Still, I'm hardly against attacks on the cops when they are in the line of duty, because most of that duty is oppressive and destructive. They get into the job knowing that there is danger (though it's far less dangerous than they claim) and they know it's a fucked up position to hold. I have little sympathy for them.

[RedStarOverChina]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 02:18 pm
Comrade; I DONT CARE how you justify it, it is regardless an inhumane moronic act. The guy deserves no less than prison. Salute him all you fucking want, it doesnt matter, the guys a fucking murderer, and hes going to have to pay. Should we constantly fight with voilence? Thats whats gives the revolutionary left such a bad image, why cant you choose a stance in ideology and attempt to reach out with other means than killing people.

One muredead cop wont DO SHIT to our cause, and its stupid. Why the fuck people support this douche is beyond me.
I personally don't think that this is somehow helping with the cause---And I doubt many others think that way either.

But I'm just glad now that the streets of Miami are a lot safer with those two assholes in uniform gone.


Anyhow, what language do the cops in the Vatican City speak?

Pig Latin, of course.

(That's just my lame joke for the day, in celebration of today's event. )

[RNK]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14, 2007 08:43 pm
"The pigs saw to it that a prison cell won't be in his future.

Did you expect anything less from these bullies?"

Listen up, here comes REALITY. I do not support police. I'll be the first one to say that, however, I would not kill them. Why? Well, first off; Who the fuck does it help to kill anyone? How does it help? MORE VOILENCE BREEDS MORE VOILENCE. Why cant you see the obvious fact that killing someone doesnt help? On top of that, it damages or reputation as a serious leftist branch. Not only that, but is a human beeing for pete's sake. It beeing killed means there are family, friends and relatives left behind.

Now supporting some cop-killing "goon" does not make you a revolutionary, in fact; it makes you a person which is ignorant to the fact that killing helps noone.

Why not spend less time throwing bricks, glass and start beeing more politically active in serious groups that dont support that, and work towards the societies better understanding of communism/socialism, and make them think that that this is not a movement of goons killing cops, But a movement of people seeking freedom! A movement of people showing unity and solidarity!

What is it you find so hard to comprehend?
Calm down with the fucking ganja, get the fucking tiedyed hippy headband off and face fucking reality you shitfuck. This is a war, not some fucking family picnic where we all gather around with an acoustic guitar and sing hippy fucking songs until our enemies are defeated by the power of love or whatever other bullshit you think will happen. Fucking idealistic asshole.

[LuXe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 07:06 am
Calm down with the fucking ganja, get the fucking tiedyed hippy headband off and face fucking reality you shitfuck. This is a war, not some fucking family picnic where we all gather around with an acoustic guitar and sing hippy fucking songs until our enemies are defeated by the power of love or whatever other bullshit you think will happen. Fucking idealistic asshole.
You know what? Fuck you, I am no hippie, and I would not hesitate to kill if I remotely thought this would somehow help our cause. Problem is it doesnt! It only gives us a bad fucking reputation, and turns even more people against us. Love, or whatever, isnt going to help much if people dont understand and support our ideology, only when we have a support in the majority of people can we have a "revolution", and when killing every goon we see we will never have that! Dont come fucking telling me those two dead cops are better left dead you dick, they will only recruit two fucking more. If the revolution itself is bloody, let it be, aince THATS whats fucking important, not going around trying to be a tough rebellious asshole here on these forums typing furiously and calling everyone who speak up against you a hippie. Now if you devalue a human-life so much, then why dont you go kill yourself, you ignorant asshole!

[Dean]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 07:06 am
Calm down with the fucking ganja, get the fucking tiedyed hippy headband off and face fucking reality you shitfuck. This is a war, not some fucking family picnic where we all gather around with an acoustic guitar and sing hippy fucking songs until our enemies are defeated by the power of love or whatever other bullshit you think will happen. Fucking idealistic asshole.
Yeah! Fuck ideals! And you're an asshole if you say someone doesn't deserve to die!

And this guy was clearly a revolutionary communist! Let the revolt begin!

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by Dean+September 15, 2007 12:40 pm--> (Dean @ September 15, 2007 12:40 pm)
[email protected] 15, 2007 07:06 am
Calm down with the fucking ganja, get the fucking tiedyed hippy headband off and face fucking reality you shitfuck. This is a war, not some fucking family picnic where we all gather around with an acoustic guitar and sing hippy fucking songs until our enemies are defeated by the power of love or whatever other bullshit you think will happen. Fucking idealistic asshole.
Yeah! Fuck ideals! And you're an asshole if you say someone doesn't deserve to die!

And this guy was clearly a revolutionary communist! Let the revolt begin! [/b]
The revolution will not be a tea party.
The revolution will not be a calm discussion of differences in opinion.
The revolution will be the violent conclusion to the class war.

If you say otherwise you're either deluded or a stupid ****.

Oh and in all likelihood the revolution won't be appearing on many TV screens.

[LuXe]

Jazzratt; Killing people before there is even a revolution is just fucking stupid and contradictory. Why the hell do we want to deminish an already pretty low support in western countries? Now tell me how the killing if those two cops benefited us? They will only get two more. The people is the ones that must be enlightened. Now it doesnt help much going around throwing bricks and killing cops, eh? They only view the voilence as some stupid leftist thing, and thats why people sometimes even compare us to nazis.

Now until the time comes and we have support, we shouldnt go around beeing fucking morons, we shuld set an example, and only then could the revolution be psossible.

[Dean]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 12:46 pm
The revolution will not be a tea party.
The revolution will not be a calm discussion of differences in opinion.
The revolution will be the violent conclusion to the class war.

If you say otherwise you're either deluded or a stupid ****.

Oh and in all likelihood the revolution won't be appearing on many TV screens.
Sure, whatever. The point was this: what does this have to do with revolution?

[Jazzratt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15, 2007 12:58 pm
Jazzratt; Killing people before there is even a revolution is just fucking stupid and contradictory.Why the hell do we want to deminish an already pretty low support in western countries? Now tell me how the killing if those two cops benefited us?
Depends who these "people" are. I don't see how these attacks diminished the support for leftists, as the guy doing them was not explicitly leftist - but the travesty of justice that started it is certianly adding to the outrage of average workers and this man's example is inspiring to most lefties.


They will only get two more.

Then we reload.


The people is the ones that must be enlightened. Now it doesnt help much going around throwing bricks and killing cops, eh? They only view the voilence as some stupid leftist thing, and thats why people sometimes even compare us to nazis.

Violence must be embraced, you must be prepared to commit acts of violence or you become a liability. That said it would probably not be wise to shout left-wing slogans whilst mowing down the piggies.


Now until the time comes and we have support, we shouldnt go around beeing fucking morons, we shuld set an example, and only then could the revolution be psossible.

We are setting an example - be violent against your oppressors.

Mouth-breather #2


Sure, whatever. The point was this: what does this have to do with revolution?

It is an example of the oppressed acting against the oppressor.

[The-Spark]

Violence against the people that oppress us seems revolutionary to me. Plus it sends a message that cops are exactly that, people, that can be killed exactly like they have killed.

Plus, "its wrong to kill a human being" and shit like that, yet Hitler was a human just like you or me, would it be wrong to kill him?

Violence is how the government controls us, if we dont do what they say, we will get attacked, so how is violence some stupid leftist thing?

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by Vinny [email protected] 13, 2007 07:50 pm
It appears we have a new hero in Florida.

I was just having lunch and saw a "breaking news story" about a South Florida man who just opened fire on four pigs with an AK-47 wounding three and killing one.

From what the gestapo in Miami are saying the "suspect" was pulled over (by four cops?) for "driving erratically" (that's Miami police code for "driving while black") but instead of allowing the storm troopers to spit on his dignity he decided to fight back with the only thing that these fuck-wad pigs understand: violence.

Unfortunately only one has died so far but hope remains alive that the one that went into emergency surgery croaks on the operating table.

I'm posting this here because I want the restricted folks to be able to comment on this.

There's a new sherrif in town! (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/13/miami.shootings/index.html)
Ineffective individual terrorism. The smoke will clear, a successor will be found to the dead pig, and things will go back the way they were. In addition to this, the cops will probably end up being even more suspicious and there will be even more crackdowns. Advocating individual terrorism is advocating the strengthening of bourgeois reaction and is inherently anti-Marxist as it does nothing to bring the workers closer to us via working with them in their day-to-day struggles. The so-called propaganda of the deed has been so utterly refuted by history that only someone totally out of touch with reality would even bother advocating it.

If this individual terroristic crap that so many advocate here actually worked, capitalism would have been eliminated a long time ago.

[BlakSheep]

Ask yourself this, if it was a kkk member killing a black cop, who would you cheer for? I am in no way a supporter of the police institution, but I know that not all cops are pigs. For those of you calling some of us "hippies", would you rather we go out, have shoot outs in the middle of the street with pigs, and possibly harm innocent civilians? If you are going to violently revolt ,which I know is inevitable, do a planned assault, not random violence. And Vinny, I can't argue with you. No amount of logic could get through your head, and as immature as it is to resort to insults like so many of you choose to do, you are an ass-hole. A pretentious, self-righteous, high and mighty ass-hole. What you and your counter-revolutionary views are doing in RevLeft, I haven't the slightest idea.

[NorthStarRepublicML]

Prove that I'm racist

well i would say all the "drunken Irish" or "Leprechaun" comments could be considered racist ... at least wrongfully stereotypical

i find it funny that Vinny seems to have no trouble supporting this cop-killer in America and has a great deal of trouble supporting other cop-killers (so called "terrorists") in Israel ....


The so-called propaganda of the deed has been so utterly refuted by history that only someone totally out of touch with reality would even bother advocating it.

propaganda of the deed is false and based on romantic views of what revolution will look like, but even applying this term to the case in question is a stretch ...

we don't know alot about this man (Labeet) and to already have a thread that assess his revolutionary aptitude is not necessary. i suspect that this character was far from revolutionary based on what i have read at this point.


Shawn Sherwin Labeet, 25, was arrested in 2001 on charges of disorderly intoxication and trespassing, according to Broward Sheriff's Office.


According to the report, Labeet became angry about some missing marijuana, grabbed a gun, pointed it at another man and asked, "Where is my weed?" A struggle ensued and two shots were fired, including one that hit his girlfriend in the leg, according to the report.

doesn't exactly sound like a revolutionary communist to me, sounds like a Lumpen asshole .... although it might not have alot to do with the incident in question Labeet's half brother is a convicted killer:


Labeet is the half-brother of convicted killer Ishmael Labeet.


Ishmael Labeet was convicted of the 1972 "Fountain Valley Massacre" in which eight people were murdered at a golf course resort in St. Croix, Virgin Islands.

so as i said i have serious doubts this incident is anything worth discussing .... a drug addict kills some cops, who cares? not me.


The revolution will be the violent conclusion to the class war.

Jazz what does a lumpen druggie shooting his way out of a moving violation have to do with revolution?


Plus it sends a message that cops are exactly that, people, that can be killed exactly like they have killed.

obviously .... but that message isn't exactly a new one, cops have been getting killed for quite a while ... there is nothing exceptional or worthwhile concerning this particular incident ...


Violence must be embraced, you must be prepared to commit acts of violence or you become a liability.

what rhetoric!

Ok Jazz i expect to see you on the news tonight spilling the first blood of the revolution ....


That said it would probably not be wise to shout left-wing slogans whilst mowing down the piggies.

what? ... so killing people is ok, but shouting slogans is just going to far?



It is an example of the oppressed acting against the oppressor.

sure Jazz, thats why its ok to kill people that work at convience stores because they are over charging you, its ok to kill your banker because he gives you a poor interest rate, its ok to murder your boss because he cut your Christmas bonus .....

its ok to steal and rob and do drugs because you are oppressed ...

this kind of thing happens all the time .... it is not revolutionary and not useful to creating revolutionary conditions .... it does absolutely nothing for workers or working conditions ....

the people that celebrate these deaths (Cops or Labeet) are pretty fucking messed up if you ask me ....

people here should read this article (thanks to Apathy Maybe): http://marxists.org/archive/draper/1972/01/cops.htm


I refer to the self-styled radicals who, for some years now, have been burbling over with their rhetoric about “offing the pig,” and “picking up the gun,” and “revolution in the streets,” and “urban guerrillas,” and cheering every time somebody else bombs the window of a Bank of America branch, or terrorizes a PG&E power line, or incubates a revolution in a safety-deposit vault, or otherwise takes direct action in terrorism according to the most fashionable doctrines of 1890. Because it has been these bumpkin-blowhards of the Big Bang theory of revolution who have been very successful not in tearing apart the System, but in tearing apart what there was of a radical movement that was aborning.





Labeet Source:http://www.local10.com/morningnews/14112117/detail.html

[Idola Mentis]

Some posters on this thread really, deeply creeps me out. I thought everyone knew the difference between killing and murder. I definitely thought marxists knew that when a true revolution comes, it will be the inevitable result of an all-encompassing crisis, a complete systemic failure, not some lone brainfried fuck who apparently shouldn't have been allowed near cutlery, much less a heavy assault rifle.

I'm not a marxist, but those I have spoken to know what Jazzratt pointed out, and more - the consequences of it. Revolution is not *nice*. Innocent people die. To start one - to deliberately bring about the failure of the system which supports the life of millions of people when you have prepared no real alternative way to keep those people alive, is a crime just as terrible as any war of agression, any genocide. Even if this creep was a revolutionary, and this random shooting was somehow placed in such a way as to ignite a revolution, I'd think twice before I got up and cheered.

[Led Zeppelin]

Originally posted by Vinny [email protected] 14, 2007 08:16 pm
How do you hide a revolution from a hippy?

Put in under the soap....
LOL that was hilarious.

This action was awesome btw.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Blaksheep
Ask yourself this, if it was a kkk member killing a black cop, who would you cheer for

This B.S. argument is the same as when you kids reach through the cobwebs and into that dusty vault known as the "Nazi comparison" argument.

If indeed a KKK member assassinated a cop I would obviously not celebrate the assassin but merely the assassination.

Get with the times jack.


well i would say all the "drunken Irish" or "Leprechaun" comments could be considered racist ... at least wrongfully stereotypical


Then you would be wrong as usual.

Nothing out of the ordinary there.


i find it funny that Vinny seems to have no trouble supporting this cop-killer in America and has a great deal of trouble supporting other cop-killers (so called "terrorists") in Israel ....


How's that bong-hitting going there son?

The "cop-killers" in the middle east also think it's cool to blow up children.

Big difference kid.


Jazz what does a lumpen druggie shooting his way out of a moving violation have to do with revolution?

If you can't figure that out then you really need to drop the moniker "leftist" because you haven't been one for a long while; if ever.

[pusher robot]

If you can't figure that out then you really need to drop the moniker "leftist" because you haven't been one for a long while; if ever.

I agree with Vinny 100%. Cheering the murder of police officers for investigating an assault-rifle-wielding drug dealer is the logical consequence of your ideology. You yourselves should have no moral qualm with personally pulling the trigger. If you question the morality of this, you need to question the morality of your entire ideology.

[Dean]

Originally posted by sphincter stretcher # [email protected] 15, 2007 01:09 pm

Sure, whatever. The point was this: what does this have to do with revolution?

It is an example of the oppressed acting against the oppressor.
So it's oppression to stop people from recklessly endangering the lives of others on the road?

Or are we looking into Vinny's crystal ball again?

[NorthStarRepublicML]

Vinny, i know for some reason that you believe yourself to be above logic but it really makes you look like a child as opposed to the old man that you claim to be ....

case in point:

i say ....

well i would say all the "drunken Irish" or "Leprechaun" comments could be considered racist ... at least wrongfully stereotypical

and your response is:


Then you would be wrong as usual.

Nothing out of the ordinary there.

you fail to address the point, that these comments are racist insults, thus it logically follows that you are a racist ...

the idea here is to defend yourself or an argument .... thus you must either claim that you never made these comments (and you most certainly did) or you must explain how it is not racist to call a person of irish descent a drunk or a leprechaun ...

however since you have made no such point it stands to reason that you have no means to defend this position .... thus you concede that you are a racist ....

get it together will ya, no one takes you seriously except Jazz whose debating skills are also piss poor ...

you do roughly the same thing in this exchange when i said:


i find it funny that Vinny seems to have no trouble supporting this cop-killer in America and has a great deal of trouble supporting other cop-killers (so called "terrorists") in Israel ....

and vinny responds with this gem:


How's that bong-hitting going there son?

The "cop-killers" in the middle east also think it's cool to blow up children.

Big difference kid.

which is actually an improvement but falls drastically short of any substance ...

vinny you need to lay off the pipe yourself, i am not the one that is standing up and calling a drugged up obviously mentally unstable killer a hero .... if those are your hero's then nothing i can say here can convey how pathetic and sadly desperate you are ....

oh and the constant use of the word "son" is pretty pathetic as well, don't substitute your lack of arguments for petty ageism .... which i have a hard time believing anyway .... as i have said before you are more then likely not as elderly or educated or even moderately as intelligent as you pretend to be ....

as for blowing up children .... its not as though Islamists or so called "terrorist groups" have an exclusive monopoly on blowing up children, israeli rockets, police, and soldiers also cut into that market .... so that argument fails ...

and besides if you are going to compare a drug using maniac who shoots a couple cops to get out of a traffic violation to bombers fighting against colonial authority in Israel you need to look at the justification ....


Big difference kid.


police station blown up in Israel after a half dozen civilians (including children) killed in a bombing run from the IDF or drug using man with a criminal history of violence kills some cops after they pull him over for reckless driving ....

that is the "big difference" that i see .... one is legitimate resistance, the other is a random act of violence. ...

again let me explain how argument works .... simply stating there is a difference does not mean anything ... if you want to make a point .... you need to explain your position ....

so what is the "big difference" you speak of?

here is another example of your ineffective tactics:

i asked:

Jazz what does a lumpen druggie shooting his way out of a moving violation have to do with revolution?

vinny responds with:

If you can't figure that out then you really need to drop the moniker "leftist" because you haven't been one for a long while; if ever.


since you failed to answer the question (which by the way was not addressed to you) i will take that you mean that you have no answer, try again shit heel ....

[Vinny Rafarino]

since you failed to answer the question (which by the way was not addressed to you) i will take that you mean that you have no answer, try again shit heel ....


Shit heel?

No bad.


In any case, I am not responding to your nonsensical tirades because there's really nothing to respond to.

If you really want to talk, try someone that's more on your level, try putting a call into Chris Burke's agent.

I'm sure he's got a lot of time to converse with you since he's no longer playing "Corky"
on "Life Goes On".

I've witnessed several major riots in my day, some I may or may not have participated in. Let's look at the major riots that generally familiar to the masses:

Watts 1965
Detroit 1967
Many different US States in 1968 (after MLK was killed)
Notting Hill 1976
Brixton 1981 and 1985
Los Angeles 1992 (I was at this one)

All of these started by Black who were fed up with the treatment they received by the man.


All of these sent a message that we're not just going to sit and do nothing!

All of them were revolutionary!

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by pusher [email protected] 17, 2007 06:42 pm

If you can't figure that out then you really need to drop the moniker "leftist" because you haven't been one for a long while; if ever.

I agree with Vinny 100%. Cheering the murder of police officers for investigating an assault-rifle-wielding drug dealer is the logical consequence of your ideology. You yourselves should have no moral qualm with personally pulling the trigger. If you question the morality of this, you need to question the morality of your entire ideology.
Since when were 13-year olds with Che Guevara T-Shirts and those that spraypaint :AO: on everything in sight proletarian revolutionaries? Oh, wait, they aren't! :lol: The advocacy of individual terrorism on this board is a result of teenage angst, not socialism.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Axel Hose
Since when were 13-year olds with Che Guevara T-Shirts and those that spraypaint BlackA.gif on everything in sight proletarian revolutionaries? Oh, wait, they aren't! laugh.gif The advocacy of individual terrorism on this board is a result of teenage angst, not socialism.

We forgot.

No one's a "revolutionary" unless theres someone like you at the helm telling them what to do.

If I remember right, the only place that Leninists have led us is right back into Capitalism.

Nice job son.

[NorthStarRepublicML]

In any case, I am not responding to your nonsensical tirades because there's really nothing to respond to.

try reading that last message again asscake ....


Watts 1965
Detroit 1967
Many different US States in 1968 (after MLK was killed)
Notting Hill 1976
Brixton 1981 and 1985
Los Angeles 1992 (I was at this one)

what a tactic of desperation, look this is a thread that you started about some scumbag that shot some cops to get out of a ticket, you want to discuss mass uprisings and riots start a thread on that topic.

i shouldn't be suprised though ... whenever your brain fails to make logical connections you naturally seem to change the subject ....


All of them were revolutionary!

get back on topic son, the only thing that these uprising have in common with the case in question is that the participants happened to be black ...

so now skin color is revolutionary in itself ....

you are, no bones about it, a flaming racist ....


the advocacy of individual terrorism on this board is a result of teenage angst, not socialism.

exactly, which also seems to suggest that Vinny is either 14 years old or as an old man somewhere in his forties has some serious maturity issues ....