Originally posted by Tekun+September 13, 2007 03:28 am--> (Tekun @ September 13, 2007 03:28 am)
Originally posted by blackstone+September 11, 2007 02:53 pm--> (blackstone @ September 11, 2007 02:53 pm)
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Originally posted by
[email protected] 10, 2007 05:18 pm
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[email protected] 10, 2007 11:12 am
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Rap is music made for profits, some examples: 50Cent, Lil Wayne, the Game, and the current Jay Z (indicator it'll all sound the same)
No, Rap isn't. That's just the mainstream of Rap. Rap is a form of hip-hop, as is RnB. Rap is characterized by the lyricism, the beats, the more gritty sound that differs from it's counterpart, RnB. Hip-Hop doesn't have a sound, it's just used to be the main genre, with Rap and RnB it's sub-genres.
Best political rappers are Sun Rise Above and Immortal Technique.
Good, intelligent rappers are Kanye West, Common, Rakim, Tupac, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, De La Soul, Lupe Fiasco, Jay Z's older songs, GangStar, Outkast, The Roots, Fugees, and I personally like the Black Eyed Peas.
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I'd also check out T.I., he's not political or anything but his music is a tight combination of crunk music with East Coast lyricism.
He sounds like a mainstream, dirty south (which I personally like the underground of, but the mainstream crunk is stupid), money, *****es, hoes, kinda rapper along the lines of 50 Cent.
Your quite mistaken, R&B is not a part of hiphop nor rap :wacko:
R&B is exactly Rhythm and Blues (it combines soul, blues, jazz, and gospel) and in its contemporary interpretation, it is more akin to mainstream soul music
Like I said, hiphop is a culture composed of 4 aspects
It was publicly defined by KRS One in his Temple of Hiphop declaration, and its been publicly accepted by other early pioneers such as Kool Moe Dee, Rakim, Afrika Bambaataa, and Public Enemy
My definition is a loose interpretation of KRS One's definition of rap
So by rejecting my interpretation, your also rejecting "the Teacha's" definition of rap
A subgenre of hiphop can be political, East Coast, horrocore, etc.
But what hiphop is NOT is an empty umbrella term
Like MMarauder said, the term rap can be used interchangeably between emcees when referring to what u do up on the mic
And no, if anything's missing in "rap," is primarily its lyricism
Compare the lyricism of 50Cent (rap) with that of Pharaohe Monch (hiphop)
What is going on here?
"Compare the lyricism of 50Cent (rap) with that of Pharaohe Monch (hiphop)"
Wrong.
As was stated before, hiphop is a culture comprised of different elements. Rap, Dj'ing, Graffiti, Breakdancing.
So therefore, Pharoah is as much a part of Hiphop as 50 cent and Pharoah is a rapper as much as 50 cent.
WTF u mean by "wrong?"
Rap can be used as a verb, to denote what emcees do up on the mic (rap = emceeing)
But the term, as a noun, is also used to represent pop thug music i.e. 50Cent, the Game, Lil Wayne
Let me ask u this, does 50Cent know about the four elements of hiphop? Does he respect or acknowledge them?
Does he spit at open mics? Does he battle at the Fight Klub? Does he even freestyle?
50Cent doesn't give a fuck about hiphop nor is he a hiphopper, he's all about the profits in the rap game
Proof of which can be seen in his recent threat of retirement if Kanye outsells him when they're records drop tomorrow
Pharaohe's an emcee, to the media he might be a rapper, but when u compare the creativity, talent, and skill it takes him to write his lyrics and then compare them with the sludge that 50Cent writes about....u can see the difference between an emcee and a mainstream rapper
Please, you think your the only one who knows about the elements of hiphop? Don't flatter yourself.
from wikipedia
50 Cent started rapping in a friend's basement where he used turntables to record over instrumentals.[17] In 1996, a friend introduced him to Jam Master Jay of Run-DMC who was organizing his label Jam Master Jay Records. It was the first time he entered a studio. Jay taught him how to count bars, write choruses, structure songs, and make a record.
He worked with Jam Master Jay for crying outloud, a pioneer of hiphop and one of it's most famous DJ's!
You calling Pharoah and emcee and not 50 cent? Ever been to a 50 concert? You don't think he can rock a crowd?
You have no clue about the terms you use. It's hillarious.
Rap as a noun, is used to represent that particular element of hiphop. Nothing to do with pop thug music or whatever you want to call it.
Whether you like it or not, regardless of talent level or lyrical content. Both 50 and Pharoah(and your other favorite underground backpacker) are rappers, emcees and fall under the culture of hiphop.
Sorry to burst your bubble! [/b]
Im laughing over here
When did I ever say I was the only one who knew about the elements of hiphop? When u stop putting words in my mouth, I'll take you serious
Wikipedia's your source for hiphop and its history? The "encyclopedia that anyone can edit?" Hahaha, how bout u get a real source for hiphop? Maybe u should try listening to the stuff or getting to know the culture, maybe that'll help u understand the difference
JMJ, wow Im impressed! Is he gonna work with Eric B next? Who's gonna produce his next album? Grandmaster Flash?
Who the fuck cares who produced his shit or who he worked with, his lyrics are empty mainstream hogwash
Where the fuck's the creativity, the skill, the talent at? I guess 50Cent is more concerned about "the hoes, the cash-money, and keeping it thugged out" than about keeping hiphop alive
Chingy could work with Preemo, but that still doesn't mean he's hiphop
I don't think u understand, lyrics are the cornerstone of hiphop; as such emcees write complex and creative lyrics, while rappers are left recycling the same ole "hoe this, bling that" bullshit e.g. 50Cent
Beats don't define an emcee, lyrics do
Pharaohe's an emcee and 50's a rapper. As its shown in his lyrics, Pharaohe demonstrates his skill, talent, and creativity. 50's bullshit contains neither. Why do u think it sounds like all the other bullshit out there? Jim Jones, Young Jeezy, Lil Wayne, and 50Cent make the same bullshit and touch on the same subjects, ever wonder why?
I rather get my wisdom teeth pulled than attend a 50Cent "concert"
My idea of hiphop isn't seeing a grown man rip his shirt off, grab his sack, curse BWS, and wave handguns all over the place. That's not hiphop, that's ignorance
He might rock a crowd, but he's rocking a crowd of sheeples. Morons who are brainwashed by the image and marketing machine, idiots who don't give a fuck about hiphop, let alone lyricism.
Does 50Cent freestyle at these "concerts?" Does he battle at these "concerts?"
I'd like to see him battle Pharoahe Monch, KRS, or Iron Solomon. The idiot would get booed out the klub.
The only thing hilarious, is the fact that u think 50Cent and Pharoahe Monch belong in the same category
Next you'll be comparing Chingy and Rakim
Hahaha, expose yourself to hiphop, and forget about that bullshit on the radio
Let me guess, you've recently discovered "rap?" Is that it? Well if that's so, listen to Ra or G Rap, to see what real lyricism is.
When you've heard enough hiphop and garbage, you'll be able to see the difference, and you'll concur with my POV.
The more bullshit I read, the more Im convinced that u don't listen to hiphop
Real hiphop fans know the difference, and categorize cats according to their lyrical content and talent. Outsiders are the only one's who compare and categorize all emcees and rappers under the same mainstream umbrella term i.e. hiphop. What do u listen to? Whatever it is, hiphop's different, and it seems that u don't understand that nor its ppl.
You haven't burst a single thing, hiphop heads know what Im talking about and all it takes is listening and then comparing emcee (Pharoahe) and rapper (50Cent)
Your just recycling the media's outlook on hiphop, what ignorance [/b]
Aw, did i hurt the little baby's feelings? :wub:
i'm hip hop, you been not, prick stop
you mad 50 rhymes about a diamond studded wrist watch?
or how he grip glocks, let the shit pop or rides dubs
and how he's not a real emcee cuz he's never been on Fight Klub?
lol, aight dun, im not done, i'm gettin atcha ass!
he dont need complex rhymes or to work wit Grandmaster Flash
"I know he protecting me, but I still stay with my gat"
you not from the block, so you not relating to that
and that's making him wack?, but wait a min, who said?
"He pulled his pistol anyway and I filled him full of lead"
oh yeah, KRS!
lmao,
as such emcees write complex and creative lyrics
That rhyme scheme was something light. I've battled before on stage, on the block, i've performed songs on stage, i've also done poetry and have been complemented by DMC, The Last Poets, and many others. I was on the executive board at my colleges hip hop club, called the Universal Hip Hop Culutural Organization of UHHCO for sort. There we did an event called Hip Hop extravangza, it was a graffiti battle contest, break dancing contest, emcee battle(i participated) and dj'ing battle. So i know a thing or two about these things. We've had arguments like these at our meetings, so your POV doesn't surprise me.
Rap above all else is too me, and others, an expression of self. You can't limit expression of self because everyone has different things and ways to express themselves!
You can't say, Rap is
A. You must have a complex rhyme scheme
B. The topic you do must never have been done before
C. You must only rap about something postive and constructive
etc,etc
That's plain ignorant to the history of hiphop.
Of course we categorize cats according to their lyrical content and abilities. But we say that's wack or hot.
I hate to break it to you, but rap lyrics are rap lyrics.
Chingy's Right Thurr is rap lyrics and so is LL's Can't Live Without My Radio.
It's just that you are nostalgic. And say LL is hiphop or has hiphop lyrics and Chingy dont. It's cool, we all get bit by that bug.
A lyricist is someone who writes lyrics. So Chingy as well as 50 Cent, Pharaoh, Slug, Sage Francis,etc are lyricists.
someone who rhymes
" i sat on the bloc, and ate an apple
then i went to the store and bought a snapple"
it's rap lyrics, albeit horrible, but it's still lyrics. If you heard someone spit that, you wouldn't call them an ill lyricist. Or a lyricist at all. But if someone came wit some crazy rhymes i bet you'd call them a ill lyricist or a label them a lyricist .
But rap goes way beyond lyrics. It also has to do with your flow and delivery of it.
I said a hip hop the hippie the hippie
to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop
the rock it to the bang bang boogie
say up jumped the boogie
to the rhythm of the boogie, the beat
If you saw that in my rhymebook, you prolly would've been like what the hell is that garbage. But that shit has to be one of the catchiest rhymes in hiphop.
You think all fans care about lyricism or should care. And all those that don't aren't real.
You actually alienating yourself from the very group hiphop gives a voice too.