National "Anarchist" group declared [Archive]

Forward Union

8th September 2007, 09:49

In England we call National Anarchism "Troy southgate" He got thrown out of the Anarchist Bookfair headfirst a few years ago.

It's hard to tell if National Anarchism is a front ideology to try and lure anarchos into nationalist politics, or if it is genuine, organic idiocy.

Either way, I can't see it getting anywhere. They are hated by both Nationalists and Anarchists. We just need to make sure we don't get associated with them.

Bilan

8th September 2007, 10:02

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 08, 2007 06:49 pm
In England we call National Anarchism "Troy southgate" He got thrown out of the Anarchist Bookfair headfirst a few years ago.

It's hard to tell if National Anarchism is a front ideology to try and lure anarchos into nationalist politics, or if it is genuine, organic idiocy.

Either way, I can't see it getting anywhere. They are hated by both Nationalists and Anarchists. We just need to make sure we don't get associated with them.
Yeah, these people are ass kissers of this Troy Southgate guy.
It's good you guys did some justice to that tosser.
The anarchists (real ones) did what they could to get rid of these ones at the Anti-APEC rally. Couldn't do much, simply because of the clamping down by the police (if you haven't heard, Australia is looking more and more like a police state), so only chanting and stuff could be done.
We're watching, though.

An archist

8th September 2007, 11:26

The pictures on that blog are great though, six people standing in someone's yard with a banner, yeah, revolution!

Pia Fidelis

9th September 2007, 03:26

National-Anarchism.....National-Bolshevism...when will these people learn? Well, at least we can laugh. All 10 of these guys will overthrow the government! Canberra, look out!

Though I am also anti-globalistation, these guys are fools.

SpikeyRed

9th September 2007, 14:08

I was there with the Socialist party and saw them too!

We automatically got talking about who they were and where they were from, becuase, they had about $4000 worth of banners (estimated off the cost our our own similar sort of banner) and they were all wearing brand new shiny black boots! Not cheap at all! So they have some major financial backing from someone. We thought some of them might of been police provacteurs or have had some kind of high level government or corporate sponsoring. Also discussed was the possibility of American Fash sponsorship.

We got a few copies of their brocheur, and those fuckers had the audacity to use IWW cartoons including the wildcat strike symbols. They also used a statment from the Zappatista's that was taken out of context, and two picture of Marcos, one where he was waving to the people in a way that these fuckers were able to stretch it so he looked like he was giving the Sig Heil salute.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that their brocheurs where just that, expensive, glossy nicely folded brocheurs, not printed and photocopies paper like everyone else.

Very suspicious.

Word is alot were up from Melbourne, so the Melbourne reds and (real) blacks will be watching...

Black Dagger

9th September 2007, 14:17

I don't think people should worry too much about these anarchist wannabes - next time they show-up there won't be enough of their friends in blue to look out for them! :banner:

spartan

9th September 2007, 14:57

we have got to watch out though as groups like the national anarchists and national bolsheviks are successfully bridging the gap between nationalism and anti capitalism which confuses many young anti capitalists. thus they can attract quite a bit of support unless of course we strangle this movement in its cradle.

ghostofeureka

9th September 2007, 15:16

This group was just launched the other week, they have a website and web forum and what not. Its probably not a coincidence that this group was launched not long after another australian neo nazi group called australia first started expelling its prominent members including the leader Jim Saleam (yes thats right the leader of a white supremicist group has an arabic surname :lol: :lol: ) Whats even funnier is that the president of Australia first Diana Teasdale admitted to having jewish heritage recentley.

The new right and are lead by a guy called welf Herfurth who is a german business who was involved with the NPD in germany that immigrated to australia, he was involved with organising the "Sydney Forum" which is a sort of nationalist/facist forum that happens once every year in sydney www.sydneyforum.net (http://www.sydneyforum.net) in conjunction with Jim Saleam.

If you want more info on Welf have a look at: http://www.fightdemback.org/archive/people/herfurth-welf/

ghostofeureka

9th September 2007, 15:22

There web forum is at: http://newrightausnz.org/forum/

I doubt these guys pose any threat, just like all the wacko right wing groups in australia there just a group of paranoid bogans, only difference this time is that they have shiny new boots. There most probably the same group of guys who did that protest against David Hicks father in sydney earlier this year. http://www.revleft.com/index.php?showtopic=66445&hl=hicks

For anyone that saw these nutzi's at the apec protest, how many of them where there? On stormfront someone said 30-40 but you usually have to divide by 10 whatever bullshit figures the morons on scumfront claim.

Black Dagger

9th September 2007, 15:32

Around 15 or so.

ghostofeureka

9th September 2007, 15:34

Edited due to no personal information rule, sorry mods.

guerilla E

9th September 2007, 19:05

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 02:34 pm
One of the guys who was there is called Scott Henley and he's from melbourne. He's only like 16 or so and goes by the username nocrusties on stormfront.
Always good to get a name attached to a scumbag fash.

These guys most likely have backing, as mentioned before, because their set up and their resources (the speed of it alone) is a bit much for just a backyard nazi group.

Their anarchist idealogy is most likely a trick to get more members onto their side, we all know how the nationalists play these 'snag em while they're angsty' games.

I'd say keep an eye on them. I mean a rich ex NPD business man, a group of impressionable nationalist kids... sounds like some molestation is going to take place.

The Advent of Anarchy

9th September 2007, 21:19

National Anarchist

Talk about an oxymoron. :huh:

An archist

9th September 2007, 21:57

Black Dagger

10th September 2007, 05:07

Nah, they're backed by this ****:

http://www.newrightausnz.org/images/07aug06.jpg

Welf Herfurth, a sydney-based german migrant ex-NPD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Party_of_Germany).

kuro

10th September 2007, 06:31

Everyone was saying the dart-thrower was part of this group (or a cop). I saw him at the start and the scene with the mafia guy in the white suit from the simpsons came to mind "He's going to do something and you know it's going to be good."

Anyway, he did have a eureka flag on his helmet, which I'm usually wary of. It was sad to see people walk past the anarchist bloc and say "we're in the far-right area lets leave".

Bilan

10th September 2007, 07:08

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 12:34 am
One of the guys who was there is called Scott Harrison and he's from melbourne. He's only like 16 or so and goes by the username nocrusties on stormfront.
I know that motherfucker.
I've heard about him.
He attacked a mate of mine down in Melbourne one time. He lost though. :lol:

SpikeyRed

10th September 2007, 08:15

I would actually put the number at closer to 25-30, maybe I'm wrong though. They seemed to have a fairly large block in the middle of their U-Shaped banners.

These guy's worry me, they seem too organised and well financed, aswell as what someone else was saying about their use of 'Anarchist' thinking as a draw card for confused teens. They also seemed to have alot of members who were intheir 20's and perhaps even early 30's.

These people need to be shut the fuck down.

Bilan

10th September 2007, 09:02

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 05:15 pm
I would actually put the number at closer to 25-30, maybe I'm wrong though. They seemed to have a fairly large block in the middle of their U-Shaped banners.

These guy's worry me, they seem too organised and well financed, aswell as what someone else was saying about their use of 'Anarchist' thinking as a draw card for confused teens. They also seemed to have alot of members who were intheir 20's and perhaps even early 30's.

These people need to be shut the fuck down.
Keep in mind, there were alot of other anarchists in black at that protest.

I don't know about "Well organized". We've not seen anything to prove that. They're definatley a bunch of rich scumfucks though.

Bilan

10th September 2007, 09:05

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 03:31 pm
Everyone was saying the dart-thrower was part of this group (or a cop). I saw him at the start and the scene with the mafia guy in the white suit from the simpsons came to mind "He's going to do something and you know it's going to be good."
:lol: hahaha :lol:

ghostofeureka

10th September 2007, 09:21

I wouldn't worry too much about these guys, there just the same old bunch of rag tag nazi wannabes who pop up now and again. It wouldn't hurt to keep an eye on them though.

bombeverything

10th September 2007, 09:43

Hey, here is a picture of a few of them that I took. They are quite scary looking people. I wonder who that creepy looking guy is.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1489/0809071100ur5.th.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0809071100ur5.jpg)

At least one protester was physically threatened by them. I heard them telling a comrade near me that had "bad genes and should go back to their own country". They basically took advantage of the strong police presence, knowing that if anyone attacked them they would be arrested.

bombeverything

10th September 2007, 10:01

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 08:21 am
Another one of the guys that where there is called Darrin Hodges who runs the "Anglo-Australian National Council" Have a look at this guy http://www.blogger.com/profile/12742782659583700255 What a shining example of the master race he is :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Eww, gross :lol:

Bilan

10th September 2007, 10:02

That guy in the middle is creepy as fuck.

anyway,

At least one protester was physically threatened by them. I heard them telling a comrade near me that had "bad genes and should go back to their own country". They basically took advantage of the strong police presence, knowing that if anyone attacked them they would be arrested.

There's been conflicting reports on what actually happened then, withj the "bad genes" things.
I also heard one of them said "it's your non-white genes that are the problem."
and other stuff too has been said.

Black Dagger

10th September 2007, 13:48

Yo BE, i thumbnail'D your pic for ya. Do you have any more?

bombeverything

10th September 2007, 23:42

Cheers BGM. Yeah I have one more which is here:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6818/0809071059qx9.th.jpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0809071059qx9.jpg)

Could you thumbnail that for me as well?

BGM: Done! :)

The Advent of Anarchy

10th September 2007, 23:56

Jewish Nazis, National Anarchists, what's next?! NEO-CONSERVATIVE COMMUNISTS? AAAAHHH!

spartan

11th September 2007, 00:12

how about gandhi supporting terrorists! now thats a contradiction.

The Advent of Anarchy

11th September 2007, 00:17

Originally posted by [email protected] 10, 2007 11:12 pm
how about gandhi supporting terrorists! now thats a contradiction.
How about Bill O'Reilly becoming a homosexual Communist?

Comrade Rage

11th September 2007, 00:43

Earlier I had an anti-third positionist thread in anti-fascism. I don't think anyone replied to it, so the question still remains: what the f should we do to combat these f--guys?

Jewish Nazis, National Anarchists, what's next?! NEO-CONSERVATIVE COMMUNISTS? AAAAHHH!

Actually, I think the National-Socialist Greens are still weirder than that. :lol:

bombeverything

11th September 2007, 01:07

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 10, 2007 11:43 pm
Earlier I had an anti-third positionist thread in anti-fascism. I don't think anyone replied to it, so the question still remains: what the f should we do to combat these f--guys?

Jewish Nazis, National Anarchists, what's next?! NEO-CONSERVATIVE COMMUNISTS? AAAAHHH!

Actually, I think the National-Socialist Greens are still weirder than that. :lol:

Good question. I don't know. Apparently they are influenced by anarchists such as Bakunin and Kropotkin, wtf? I guess borrowing ideas from different and opposing ideologies is central to fascism. As fascism is primarily an ideology of irrationality. What a bunch of confused wackos. They were creepy to talk to as well. This was a 'conversation' I had with one of them:

me: "national anarchism does not exist".
fash: "are you saying that fascism doesn't exist?"... huh?
me: "fascism does exist, national anarchism does not. You are a fascist and your scum. Your not welcome here".
fash: blank stare.

Really strange.

Hey TYL, did I meet you in Sydney? Or was that someone else?

Bilan

11th September 2007, 01:10

Originally posted by [email protected] 11, 2007 10:07 am
me: "national anarchism does not exist".
fash: "are you saying that fascism doesn't exist?"... huh?
me: "fascism does exist, national anarchism does not. You are a fascist and your scum. Your not welcome here".
fash: blank stare.

Really strange.
haha
I suppose they just gave away their politics, and their real objective. :lol:

bombeverything

11th September 2007, 01:11

Originally posted by Tierra y Libertad+September 11, 2007 12:10 am--> (Tierra y Libertad @ September 11, 2007 12:10 am)
[email protected] 11, 2007 10:07 am
me: "national anarchism does not exist".
fash: "are you saying that fascism doesn't exist?"... huh?
me: "fascism does exist, national anarchism does not. You are a fascist and your scum. Your not welcome here".
fash: blank stare.

Really strange.
haha
I suppose they just gave away their politics, and their real objective. :lol: [/b]

Yeah for sure.

Comrade Rage

11th September 2007, 01:13

Yeah, talking to these guys is quite an experience. I'm surprised he didn't advocate throwing you in prison, or a camp or something to your face. I should probably troll stormfront one of these days.

At least you guys don't have to worry about this (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=435393) moron in your backyard.

Bilan

11th September 2007, 01:23

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 11, 2007 10:13 am
Yeah, talking to these guys is quite an experience. I'm surprised he didn't advocate throwing you in prison, or a camp or something to your face. I should probably troll stormfront one of these days.

At least you guys don't have to worry about this (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=435393) moron in your backyard.
Yar, check out SF, there's stuff on there. A friend linked me to it. I lost the link. meh.

Comrade Rage

11th September 2007, 01:32

I'm on a library computer though. Don't want to be seen on Stormfront. Someone'll probably think I'm a racist.

Bilan

11th September 2007, 12:53

You know, somethings a bit strange about this manifesto. I don't think it was actually written by these cretins.
Take this, for example:

To put it this way, many heavily-populated urban areas in the West are constructs of capitalism: that is, they contain 'indigenous' populations of European descent who have lived there for hundreds, if not thousands, of years

Now, that applies differently in different parts of the world. This is (supposedly) written by NA's from Australia and New Zealand...
White folk have only lived here since 1788...

Black Dagger

11th September 2007, 14:20

Well it says 'hundreds'; so that would include oz coz 200+ years can be considered 'hundreds.' But yeah, their use of indigenous to describe the descendants of colonial europeans is a (deliberate) slap in the face two the Indigenous peoples of Australia.

ghostofeureka

12th September 2007, 09:41

You know, somethings a bit strange about this manifesto. I don't think it was actually written by these cretins.
Take this, for example:

It looks like it was an document written for german new right or something similiar and then adapted to australia in some parts, ie they mention the bnp and pauline hanson. The whole things really dumb and stupid though if you have any understanding of anarchism.

Seems to me like 1. a pretty desperate attempt to make left wing ideals more palatable for bone heads and 2. Enticing people who are less educated about leftist principles from the left to neo-nazim/facism.

Considering the consistent failures the far right have had in australia, they must be pretty desperate if this is what there resorting to. For example look at the list of failed attempts by the right to get anything going in austalia: patriotic youth league, bikini march and most recentley the abandoning of Australia first plus many more.

The closest thing the far right have had to a success in australia from their perspective was Cronulla which they had nothing to do with organising and which they failed to capatalise on anyway.

Bilan

12th September 2007, 13:57

Seems to me like 1. a pretty desperate attempt to make left wing ideals more palatable for bone heads and 2. Enticing people who are less educated about leftist principles from the left to neo-nazim/facism.

This is absoltuley spot on (except the spelling).
They have an article on how they're trying to infiltrate and sabotage the leftist movement, by attracting young people to Nationalism and far right politics.

Cybercide

13th September 2007, 02:08

Originally posted by [email protected] 09, 2007 01:08 pm
I was there with the Socialist party and saw them too!

We automatically got talking about who they were and where they were from, becuase, they had about $4000 worth of banners (estimated off the cost our our own similar sort of banner) and they were all wearing brand new shiny black boots! Not cheap at all! So they have some major financial backing from someone. We thought some of them might of been police provacteurs or have had some kind of high level government or corporate sponsoring. Also discussed was the possibility of American Fash sponsorship.

We got a few copies of their brocheur, and those fuckers had the audacity to use IWW cartoons including the wildcat strike symbols. They also used a statment from the Zappatista's that was taken out of context, and two picture of Marcos, one where he was waving to the people in a way that these fuckers were able to stretch it so he looked like he was giving the Sig Heil salute.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that their brocheurs where just that, expensive, glossy nicely folded brocheurs, not printed and photocopies paper like everyone else.

Very suspicious.

Word is alot were up from Melbourne, so the Melbourne reds and (real) blacks will be watching...
Aust has a socialist party? could you give me any info?

Bilan

13th September 2007, 02:20

Socialist Party (of) Australia (http://www.socialistpartyaustralia.org/)

Palmares

13th September 2007, 12:42

I would say at least for the time being these guys dont really mean much.

In some parts of Europe they seem to be a bit more problematic. That of course is, as previously noted, because of their aesthetic (and to some degree, the impression they try to convey via literature - though still reliant on imagery - like the zapatista example).

They are co-opting the black bloc aesthetic.

In places like Germany for example, the attempt to be confused with anarchists (minus the nationalism!) can be extremer, as they dont always have ideology so clearly marked on banners.

Considering though, that black blocs dont really exist in Australia, makes this not so much a problem.

Im sure reading further from German comrades for example would shine some light on the situation.

Bilan

13th September 2007, 13:27

Originally posted by Cthethar
Considering though, that black blocs dont really exist in Australia, makes this not so much a problem.

I agree, but also, Black Bloc's have an international reputation for being an anarchist tactic and method of organizing.

But also, though they're using black flags, and black red stars (dem motherfuckers!) [but they have that third-positionist logo on them (the stars that is)].

Not only that, but by them doing this, it makes it more difficult for us to be able to use these tactics without being confused with them - though, not that difficult.