Kosovo situation!

[trimi]

I would like to hear what you think about the situatin in Ballkan, particulary in Kosovo. I read that the "comunist partys" around the world have difernet opinions on this problem.

[Saint Street Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 11:43 pm
I would like to hear what you think about the situatin in Ballkan, particulary in Kosovo. I read that the "comunist partys" around the world have difernet opinions on this problem.
My brother's stationed in Kosovo, he's a marine. I haven't heard much about the situation, it gains little to no media exposure. I know little to nothing on it.

[Comrade Rage]

The Balkans are flaring up again? This was the first I've heard of it.

[Red Scare]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 05, 2007 07:02 pm
The Balkans are flaring up again? This was the first I've heard of it.
yeah me too

[Comrade Rage]

Can someone find a link to some good coverage on this?

[spartan]

if you look at this from a nationalist perspective then kosovo with the majority of its population being albanian should have a plebiscite to decide whether it 1. wants independence from serbia as an independent nation 2. wants to stay with serbia 3. wants to join albania.

[hajduk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 05, 2007 11:43 pm
I would like to hear what you think about the situatin in Ballkan, particulary in Kosovo. I read that the "comunist partys" around the world have difernet opinions on this problem.
go on forum History and then enter keywords enver hoxa
there you will find the informations you need

[capstop]

if you look at this from a nationalist perspective then kosovo with the majority of its population being albanian should have a plebiscite to decide whether it 1. wants independence from serbia as an independent nation 2. wants to stay with serbia 3. wants to join albania.

But if we look at it from the only sensible perspective, that of the international working class, we understand that this is only the latest attack by the imperialist wolves in their campaign to rip Yugoslavia and then Serbia to shreds because it would not bow down to imperialism. The vote or “plebiscite” will not be “free and fair” because the population of Kosovo will be offered bribes by the European bourgeoisie (capitalists) to breakaway from Serbia and sanctions or worse (more civil war) if they don’t breakaway from Serbia.

The “plebiscite” as you call it will never be the decisive factor as events in Palestine prove. What will matter is who can bribe and bully the population most. And the United Nations will either do as they are told by the US etc, or just be ignored again.
It would be surprising if the existing Serbian government wanted to fight about this, even if they were capable (with Russian support).

All workers should oppose this latest round of revanchist intrigue (with civil war threats) by the European imperialists.

[spartan]

capstop opinion polls show that a sizeable majority of the kosovo polpulation (albanians being the majority) show that they dont want to be apart of serbia anymore. defending serbia who started a genocide against muslim serbs is not against the proletariat because your average kosovan proletariat does not want to be apart of a nation that discriminates against non serbs (they were only forced to stop the genocide after NATO and the UN intervened though they still actively discriminate against non serbs). hell one of the reasons hoxhas albania fell out with titos jugoslavia was because hoxha wanted kosovo (with its albanian majority population) to be given to albania but tito refuesed and instead thought that albania should be apart of jugoslavia! which of course hoxha refuesed. also how does a weak serbia and independent kosovo help european imperialism?

[hajduk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 06, 2007 04:21 pm
capstop opinion polls show that a sizeable majority of the kosovo polpulation (albanians being the majority) show that they dont want to be apart of serbia anymore. defending serbia who started a genocide against muslim serbs is not against the proletariat because your average kosovan proletariat does not want to be apart of a nation that discriminates against non serbs (they were only forced to stop the genocide after NATO and the UN intervened though they still actively discriminate against non serbs). hell one of the reasons hoxhas albania fell out with titos jugoslavia was because hoxha wanted kosovo (with its albanian majority population) to be given to albania but tito refuesed and instead thought that albania should be apart of jugoslavia! which of course hoxha refuesed. also how does a weak serbia and independent kosovo help european imperialism?
yes spartan i agree but you should know that people from Kosovo and people from Albania tightly connected beetwen himself and with Albanian mob and that is for long time a go becouse they must survive all tensions with EX-YU and late with Serbs and with independency of Kosovo albanian mob will got hall on Balcan for own busines

[Guerrilla22]

The US promised the ethnic Albanians Kosovar independence if they sided with the uS against Serbia. Then of course, the US government reniged on their promise and now supports the re-integration of Kosovo into Serbia. How typical.

[capstop]

capstop opinion polls show that a sizeable majority of the kosovo polpulation (albanians being the majority) show that they dont want to be apart of serbia anymore.

It is always interesting to see how pro-imperialist propagandists rely on opinion polls without any reference to the conditions that prevail. Offered what they think will be a prosperous future in the bosom of European capital or a civil war, guess what they say they will vote for?


defending serbia who started a genocide against muslim serbs is not against the proletariat because your average kosovan proletariat does not want to be apart of a nation that discriminates against non serbs (they were only forced to stop the genocide after NATO and the UN intervened though they still actively discriminate against non serbs).

This simply makes no grammatical sense. However, it is simply untrue to say that it was “serbia who started a genocide against muslim serbs”

This round of national, ethnic and religious bloodletting started in 1991 when the Croatian nationalists declared independence from socialist Yugoslavia. Their state was immediately recognised as legitimate by the German bourgeoisie, reviving memories of when Croatia was a client state of German fascism who employed Croatian nationalists (including Muslims) in their pogroms against the resistance.

Once the provocation was started and all hell had broke loose as was intended, the European and US imperialist bobbers did the rest and the anti-Stalinist left followed behind with their usual pro-imperialist propaganda.


hell one of the reasons hoxhas albania fell out with titos jugoslavia was because hoxha wanted kosovo (with its albanian majority population) to be given to albania but tito refuesed and instead thought that albania should be apart of jugoslavia! which of course hoxha refuesed.

Would you have supported Enver Hoxhs on this one?

[hajduk]

spartan if you think that CHETNICKS, not Serbs, kill serbian muslims in serbia that is okay
but if you think that chetnicks kill serbian muslims in Bosnia that is not okay becouse on forum Learning in topic Republic Srpska i gave to you proof that Bosnian people exist in X century long a go before Serbs started to call himself Serbs
explain spartan,on what do you thinking?

[wogboy]

The situation in Kosovo has been flaring up over the past year and is set to escalate in December, pending the outcome of high level negotiations between Serbia the Kosovo Albanian leadership, the EU, USA and RUSSIA. I myself find the situation appauling, another attempt at the destruction of multicultural states and the preservation of foreign self interets.

The Serbian govt appears united, something unusual for those familiar with the various parties representing Serbia. I give them credit in this regard.

The Kosovo leadership is nationalist in its demands, and will settle for no less than complete seccession and the creation of an independent state of Kosovo. It cannot feasably seccede on its own, but does have the support of the USA. The USA however, is blocked by Russia who does have UN veto power against any resolution advocating Kosovo independence. I think both Russia and USA are fighting for an eventual monopoly on potential markets in the balkan region.

The EU is split on what to do about Kosovo. Those who favour independence are th UK, Italy, I would add Poland. Germany seems to be swinging whilst France is very careful. Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria are against seccession. I dont think Slovenia would support it either, given it is a huge foreign investor in Serbia.

The propaganda over Kosovo is far reaching. I think the majority of ethnic Serb and ethnic Albanian population are not as nationalistic as the medias portray them to be.

Conveniently, no current census on population and ageing exists in Kosovo. Nobody knows the exact characteristics of the population or numbers that live there. Consequently medias on both sides are able to manipulate history whatever way suits them.

The only people who are mobilised are the nationalists. Nationalists are not a majority, but they are at least the most organised. The fate of the population at large will therefor depend on the actions of this single group (for better or for worse).

[lutondave]

Yes 100%.